MLB: 2008 Season Discussion Thread...
08-03-2008, 06:32 PM
#881
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Originally Posted by chinoz
yeah not really.. stats are nearly identical
but the real difference comes in clutch situations.. Bay is hitting .216 with RISP compared to Manny's .309. Pitchers will gladly walk Ortiz to get to Bay.
It's a drop off anyway you look at it... how much we'll have to see.
but the real difference comes in clutch situations.. Bay is hitting .216 with RISP compared to Manny's .309. Pitchers will gladly walk Ortiz to get to Bay.
It's a drop off anyway you look at it... how much we'll have to see.
.283 76 23 67 7
Manny's numbers are on top, considering that Bay has been playing for the LOWLY Pirates all season, I'd say he is not a downgrade.
Plus, Bay is a much better defender.
08-03-2008, 07:03 PM
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Manny is a spark...he's already got the Dodgers fired up... sometimes a guy with talent has alot of personality... hey I think its exactly what the Dodgers need...
...the Red Sox on the other hand, will be missing Manny in the postseason... Manny puts the fear in pitchers like very few others...
...the Red Sox on the other hand, will be missing Manny in the postseason... Manny puts the fear in pitchers like very few others...
08-03-2008, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSithCL
Manny is a spark...he's already got the Dodgers fired up... sometimes a guy with talent has alot of personality... hey I think its exactly what the Dodgers need...
...the Red Sox on the other hand, will be missing Manny in the postseason... Manny puts the fear in pitchers like very few others...
...the Red Sox on the other hand, will be missing Manny in the postseason... Manny puts the fear in pitchers like very few others...
08-03-2008, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
considering that Bay has been playing for the LOWLY Pirates all season, I'd say he is not a downgrade.
08-03-2008, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by IlliNorge
You just showed everyone that a Chicago team is once again underachieving for the fifth time in the last seven years while the Twins will win the division.
I was going to post something obnoxious about being in first place, but you surpassed anything I could have written.
I was going to post something obnoxious about being in first place, but you surpassed anything I could have written.
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08-03-2008, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
Last 7 years, huh? OK, enough of my pro-Sox jargon.
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08-04-2008, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by IlliNorge
Read: 5 out of the last 7 years. And it's not really jargon, it's more like blather.
It's not jargon nor blather, but rather truth.
08-04-2008, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by chinoz
I'm not sure that's really relevant considering it's Bay's inability to bat in his LOWLY teammates that's the big difference. Maybe if he did they wouldn't be the lowly Pirates.
08-04-2008, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
misinterpretation; 5 out of 7 years worth of Division Titles don't mean sh!t unless it ends up in a Championship. Believe me, I would know.
It's not jargon nor blather, but rather truth.
It's not jargon nor blather, but rather truth.
I'm talking about Chicago continually underestimating the Twins, just like you are, while they outplay the more "loaded" White Sox. And if the Twins win the division and the White Sox don't this year, which team has the chance to win a championship? 
08-04-2008, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trackruner228
Hopefully the Boston pitchers will know what to expect from him and just pitch to his head.
08-04-2008, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
Yeah, we'll win the next 2. Oh, and congrats to the Twins, enjoy 1st place for the mean time, because the Sox (and Tigers) are much more loaded than you guys are.
Wow, who knew I'd be going for the Sox??
Wow, who knew I'd be going for the Sox??
Well, we better just give up then since we have no chance now! Seriously? The team with the "best" line-up always wins? I never knew that...
It's a miracle the Twins ever win a game... by the way, did you happen to watch last week as the Twins took 3 of 4 from the Sox? How about two weeks ago when they took 3 of 4 from the almighty Tigers (...who, by the way, are 7 games back)?
No, the Twins will not win it all this year...but if you think the Sox are, you're the definition of delusional.
P.S. - Congrats on getting blown out by the Royals.
08-04-2008, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bgsm1th
P.S. - Congrats on getting blown out by the Royals.
my name is gocubsgo55. I am not a Sox fan and quite frankly don't care much for their results. I was just making some small talk. But while we're at it, I'd like to add that you cannot argue that fact that the Sox have had the better of the Twins in recent years. It would not matter if the Twins swept the Sox cleanly for 7 years, the fact of the matter is, the Sox have won a Championship in that time. That's just my opinion though.
08-04-2008, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
cc: bgsm1th, illinorge;
my name is gocubsgo55. I am not a Sox fan and quite frankly don't care much for their results. I was just making some small talk. But while we're at it, I'd like to add that you cannot argue that fact that the Sox have had the better of the Twins in recent years. It would not matter if the Twins swept the Sox cleanly for 7 years, the fact of the matter is, the Sox have won a Championship in that time. That's just my opinion though.
my name is gocubsgo55. I am not a Sox fan and quite frankly don't care much for their results. I was just making some small talk. But while we're at it, I'd like to add that you cannot argue that fact that the Sox have had the better of the Twins in recent years. It would not matter if the Twins swept the Sox cleanly for 7 years, the fact of the matter is, the Sox have won a Championship in that time. That's just my opinion though.
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08-04-2008, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by black label
Can we all agree that with 10000 + losses in their history the Phillies suck more than any other team?
and illinorge, yes, you're right, because in the end of the day, the Twins won more than the Sox, period. What else do you play for? Are they going out there with the thought that JUST a Division Title is satisfying? Is that what they are going for? No, all 30 teams want a WS ring.
Patriots won 16 games, but they didn't win the big one. They now have NO bragging rights whatsoever, and the NYG can consider themselves the "better" team. Follow me?
08-04-2008, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by black label
Can we all agree that with 10000 + losses in their history the Phillies suck more than any other team?
08-04-2008, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by IlliNorge
No. The Phillies have won a World Series since 1908 so, by definition, they suck less than at least one other team.
What the heck, where are all the Sox fans on this board when I need them?
08-04-2008, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
and illinorge, yes, you're right, because in the end of the day, the Twins won more than the Sox, period. What else do you play for? Are they going out there with the thought that JUST a Division Title is satisfying? Is that what they are going for? No, all 30 teams want a WS ring.
Patriots won 16 games, but they didn't win the big one. They now have NO bragging rights whatsoever, and the NYG can consider themselves the "better" team. Follow me?
Being a Twins fan in Chicago I hear this stupid argument every year and every year (except one) the Twins outperform as a team. Just watch, in 2009 we'll hear the same crap about how the White Sox will have more talent, probably the Tigers too, blah blah....because people tend to forget history instead of learn from it.
08-04-2008, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by IlliNorge
No. The Phillies have won a World Series since 1908 so, by definition, they suck less than at least one other team.
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08-04-2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
So you're saying that the historical proof that strengh of a hitters statistics often correllates to the strengh of his surrounding lineup is irrelevant?
So yeah.. I'm wondering how that explains his .228 BA with RISP when the guys who batted in front and behind him had .396 and .333 RISP averages.
08-04-2008, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chinoz
you mean like Bay batting between Doumit and Nady most of the year, both putting up career numbers? or the fact that Pirates have scored the 8th most runs in the MLB?
So yeah.. I'm wondering how that explains his .228 BA with RISP when the guys who batted in front and behind him had .396 and .333 RISP averages.
So yeah.. I'm wondering how that explains his .228 BA with RISP when the guys who batted in front and behind him had .396 and .333 RISP averages.
Also, Boston has scored more runs this season than Pittsburgh, so i don't really get how you think him going to Boston won't make him any better than when he played in Pittsburgh.
Plus, Bay's defense is a huge upgrade.
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08-04-2008, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
Bay is notorious for being poor with a bat with runners in scoring position. But other than that, his stats are very solid. I sure Manny is more clutch than Bay, I like to think there is more to the game than clutch stats. Arod isn't very clutch either, but I'll take in on my team over anyone else.
Also, Boston has scored more runs this season than Pittsburgh, so i don't really get how you think him going to Boston won't make him any better than when he played in Pittsburgh.
Plus, Bay's defense is a huge upgrade.
Also, Boston has scored more runs this season than Pittsburgh, so i don't really get how you think him going to Boston won't make him any better than when he played in Pittsburgh.
Plus, Bay's defense is a huge upgrade.
I don't think 15 more runs playing an extra game is suddenly going to vault Bay's RISP average.
And yes while I'll agree Bay's defense is better he's not exactly a gold glover. If you look at the stats this year you'd think Manny played better defense.
08-06-2008, 10:21 PM
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08-07-2008, 11:06 AM
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I sat in a section with 7 Tigers fans who were visiting Wrigley Field.
8 run inning FTW
. Yesterdays game was the first I have attended that was not a nail-biter. Was kind of boring for the most part actually.
8 run inning FTW
. Yesterdays game was the first I have attended that was not a nail-biter. Was kind of boring for the most part actually.
08-11-2008, 02:22 PM
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Reds trade Adam Dunn to Arizona...
CINCINNATI --- First Ken Griffey Jr. was traded to a contender. On Monday, the Reds did likewise with left fielder Adam Dunn.
Cincinnati sent Dunn to the Diamondbacks after Arizona put in a waiver claim on the left-handed slugger. The Reds received Minor League pitcher Dallas Buck and two players to be named later in return.
Dunn, 28, is in the option year of a contract that is paying him $13 million this season and can be a free agent this winter. The Reds have decided to move him now with the hopes of getting some sort of return instead of letting him get away on the open market for nothing.
Despite batting .233 in 114 games during a streaky 2008 season, Dunn is tied for the Major League lead with 32 home runs and also has 74 RBIs, 58 runs scored and a .373 on-base percentage. He's walked 80 times with 120 strikeouts.
Drafted in the second round in 1998, Dunn has spent his entire professional career in the Reds organization. In the Majors since 2001, he was Cincinnati's most tenured player for the team's 10 games since his good friend Griffey was traded to the White Sox on July 31.
Dunn hit .247 with 270 homers and 646 RBIs in parts of eight seasons with the Reds.
The trade could give him his first crack at playing in the playoffs. The Reds are 52-67 and entered the day 19 1/2 games out of first place in the National League Central Division standings. Arizona is the NL West leader at 60-58 and hold a 1 1/2-game lead over the Dodgers.
Buck was selected in the third round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft and underwent Tommy John surgery last year. He returned to action a couple of months ago and went 1-4 with a 3.94 ERA in nine games (eight starts) for Class A South Bend. The right-hander was promoted to Arizona's high-A ball team in Visalia earlier this month and in his lone start allowed three unearned runs in five innings.
Since Griffey's trade to Chicago, the Reds have started moving veterans to make room for younger players. On Sunday, catcher David Ross was designated for assignment so rookie catcher Ryan Hanigan could be promoted from Triple-A Louisville.
Cincinnati sent Dunn to the Diamondbacks after Arizona put in a waiver claim on the left-handed slugger. The Reds received Minor League pitcher Dallas Buck and two players to be named later in return.
Dunn, 28, is in the option year of a contract that is paying him $13 million this season and can be a free agent this winter. The Reds have decided to move him now with the hopes of getting some sort of return instead of letting him get away on the open market for nothing.
Despite batting .233 in 114 games during a streaky 2008 season, Dunn is tied for the Major League lead with 32 home runs and also has 74 RBIs, 58 runs scored and a .373 on-base percentage. He's walked 80 times with 120 strikeouts.
Drafted in the second round in 1998, Dunn has spent his entire professional career in the Reds organization. In the Majors since 2001, he was Cincinnati's most tenured player for the team's 10 games since his good friend Griffey was traded to the White Sox on July 31.
Dunn hit .247 with 270 homers and 646 RBIs in parts of eight seasons with the Reds.
The trade could give him his first crack at playing in the playoffs. The Reds are 52-67 and entered the day 19 1/2 games out of first place in the National League Central Division standings. Arizona is the NL West leader at 60-58 and hold a 1 1/2-game lead over the Dodgers.
Buck was selected in the third round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft and underwent Tommy John surgery last year. He returned to action a couple of months ago and went 1-4 with a 3.94 ERA in nine games (eight starts) for Class A South Bend. The right-hander was promoted to Arizona's high-A ball team in Visalia earlier this month and in his lone start allowed three unearned runs in five innings.
Since Griffey's trade to Chicago, the Reds have started moving veterans to make room for younger players. On Sunday, catcher David Ross was designated for assignment so rookie catcher Ryan Hanigan could be promoted from Triple-A Louisville.
Oh snap.
08-11-2008, 03:32 PM
#915
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Originally Posted by jlukja
Pft, another error by the Blue Crew?
08-11-2008, 03:52 PM
#917
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
The Yankees suck! & I can admit that!
Just horrible baseball.
Just horrible baseball.
08-11-2008, 04:35 PM
#918
Originally Posted by IlliNorge
Maybe. It's hard to believe they don't have a guy in the minors the Reds could use in exchange. They would have dibs over Arizona due to the worse record. It would cost them a pretty penny, but doesn't seem to be a deterrant with these guys.
Yeah, I didn't get that either. I mean, the main guy Arizona gave us has already had Tommy John surgery
08-11-2008, 04:36 PM
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I wasn't sure if this trade was coming or not though since we got rid of Griffey, but I'm glad Dunn is gone even though I like him as a player and he's definitely a fan favorite here. We have a lot of guys waiting patiently in AAA.
Now we just need to get rid of Dusty Baker and his pet Corey Patterson
Now we just need to get rid of Dusty Baker and his pet Corey Patterson