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Old 06-07-2013, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
While Waldorf can lament about Game 4's loss on LA's lack of 2 centers, Chicago had to play with basically 2 D-men down since Brookbank and Leddy were awful and were benched pretty much all game...and oh, no Keith.


So..........wash-out.
...and add Brown and Williams were no shows. :wink:
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Sure.

Or, I would like to look at how Williams and King failed to score on Chicago's NO-NAME goalie on clear break-aways.
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He only scores when the net is empty.
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These semi's are brutal. Every year Crapitals fans bemoan our GM for not making big trade deadline moves. I think then Pens proved that making too many big moves is a very bad idea.

Morrow and Iggie are playing slow and soft. There is no team chemistry, which is why the Pens looked like the keystone cops in games 1 and 2 and have been pass happy on the power play all along (no one can anticipate each other's moves). All the analysts keep saying, "the Pens need more out of Crosby." Yes, Crosby could play a little better but, come on, the top two lines look like molasses now. There's only so much he can do.

Having said that, Boston looks great. Talk about a solid overall team. I'm surprised by how well they are playing. A Hawks-Bruins final *should* be good.
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Originally Posted by wstevens
These semi's are brutal. Every year Crapitals fans bemoan our GM for not making big trade deadline moves. I think then Pens proved that making too many big moves is a very bad idea.

Morrow and Iggie are playing slow and soft. There is no team chemistry, which is why the Pens looked like the keystone cops in games 1 and 2 and have been pass happy on the power play all along (no one can anticipate each other's moves). All the analysts keep saying, "the Pens need more out of Crosby." Yes, Crosby could play a little better but, come on, the top two lines look like molasses now. There's only so much he can do.
Well look what the dragged in

I agree, Morrow and Iggy definitely hurt the team more than they have helped, especially in this series. Iggy came here to play on Crosby's wing, instead they take a guy who played right wing for 16 years and put him on the left wing on Malkin's line. Then when they make "adjustments" for game 3 they bump him down to the 3rd line, and Morrow to the 4th. Those guys just don't fit in well in our system especially when they're not used the way they should be. It's really frustrating. The other Achilles heal has been Murray, they brought him in to be a physical shutdown D man but he's slow and they played him only 17 minutes, the least of any D man in a double OT game Sometimes too many additions can be a bad thing. We took a team that went perfect in March and won 15 straight, to a team that can't even connect on a pass or put one in the net. It's frustrating to say the least. Hoping they figure something out and at least show up to play. They played strong last game, but again hit like 6 posts and a couple crossbars, that aint gonna win games in this league.
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
Sometimes too many additions can be a bad thing.
See Redskins, Washington 1998 - 2010.

It's not over yet though.....
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Senators trade Gonchar's rights to Stars

The Ottawa Senators on Thursday traded the rights to unrestricted free agent defenseman Sergei Gonchar to the Dallas Stars in exchange for a conditional sixth-round choice in the 2013 NHL Draft.

In the event Dallas signs Gonchar to a contract for the 2013-14 season prior to the start of the draft in Newark, N.J., on June 30, Dallas will transfer its sixth-round selection to Ottawa.

"We thank Sergei for his efforts in Ottawa," Senators general manager Bryan Murray said in a statement. "We felt that this trade will give Sergei the opportunity to extend his career in the NHL and we wish him success with the Stars."

Gonchar scored three goals and added 24 assists in 45 games during the regular season for the Senators. He contributed six assists in 10 Stanley Cup Playoff games.

The 39-year-old Russian has scored 217 goals and 558 assists for 775 points in 1,177 regular-season games with the Washington Capitals, Boston Bruins, Pittsburgh Penguins and the Senators. He's tops among active NHL defensemen in goals, assists and points, and ranks among the top-20 all-time in all three categories.

Gonchar has 22 goals, 68 assists and 90 points in 135 playoff games and was a member of the Penguins' 2009 Stanley Cup championship team.
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Morrow, Gonchar, and Goligoski, it's like the Penguins D reject crew in Dallas
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Annnnnnd... Penguins...Nice try. Play again.

All those big additions for nada. And to add insult to injury...swept.

Iginla =
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Time to make some changes in Pitt. That's just embarrassing. Almost as bad as losing a game 7 with 10.........well you know.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Iginla =
Seriously owned. What happens to him next year? He's more washed up than Marc Andre Fluery. Lucky if he can get an AHL contract next year.
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Write down the date & time.

I'm happy Boston won.
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Originally Posted by dom
Time to make some changes in Pitt. That's just embarrassing. Almost as bad as losing a game 7 with 10.........well you know.
Clearly, those 2 name-brand goalies have to go. I can't believe you thought Vokoun was an answer for Chicago...

You tried to sabotage Chicago's chances 3 years ago! Jerk.
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Seriously owned. What happens to him next year? He's more washed up than Marc Andre Fluery. Lucky if he can get an AHL contract next year.
Goes to show, don't piss off the Massholes.

Iggy's snub probably did the Bruins a nice favor of galvanizing them to a single cause -- preventing him from getting a Cup.
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Clearly, those 2 name-brand goalies have to go. I can't believe you thought Vokoun was an answer for Chicago...

You tried to sabotage Chicago's chances 3 years ago! Jerk.
Can you go pull those posts whee I stated Vokun was A genuine #1 or name brand goalie? I may have suggested him as a safety net but certainly not suggested as a legitimate #1. Maybe it was Moog?

Either way, your Hawks are going down to the Boston Maple Bruins.
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Crosby and Malkin had as many points in these semi's as me and Yumchah did.
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Goes to show, don't piss off the Massholes.
Damn straight.

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Crosby and Malkin had as many points in these semi's as me and Yumchah did.
To be honest, that's actually very shocking.
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Originally Posted by dom
Can you go pull those posts whee I stated Vokun was A genuine #1 or name brand goalie? I may have suggested him as a safety net but certainly not suggested as a legitimate #1. Maybe it was Moog?

Either way, your Hawks are going down to the Boston Maple Bruins.
Too much work to search.

But, you may be right about that...I think this e-fight kinda started with how you suggested that Chicago trade for Vokoun (who was available at the time) as security...and I told you that was a waste of a trade because all Chicago had to do was shore up their D and forwards' back-check support and etc.

Anyhow, it just went from there. As for Waldorf, he joined the pile-on because he thought my sentiments on that were off to orbit.




In all seriousness, you do have to admit I did have a point. Chicago won with Niemi and this year, with Crawford, are doing it again...so, it is doable; an average goalie supported by a very good overall team D.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Goes to show, don't piss off the Massholes.

Iggy's snub probably did the Bruins a nice favor of galvanizing them to a single cause -- preventing him from getting a Cup.


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Well, for the team picked by most to win it all and heaped with praise now has to deal with the "hate".

Stu Hackel's article of the Pens current state is ouch scathing.

More than anything, having watched all 4 games, I think they need to fix that D...If they can fix that and their "scheme" of trying to score-score-score-score, they should be dangerous next year. Anyhow, interesting read/dissection of Pittsburgh.

97Ack: Don't read it. It's full of negativity and assumptions.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are one of the NHL's marquee clubs and a main cog in the league's marketing efforts. Led by Sidney Crosby -- acclaimed as "The Face of the NHL" and the game's top player -- they fancy themselves as a perennial Stanley Cup contender. But this edition of the team is a flawed group and general manager Ray Shero may soon have to decide if it requires some significant changes if not a major overhaul.

It's big-time buzzkill, I know, to write that after Wednesday night's exceptionally entertaining Game 3 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Bruins, a 2-1 win for Boston in the second overtime period that was probably the most exciting match so far in these playoffs. But let's face facts: The Pens are now unexpectedly down 3-0 in this series, one that they and many others expected would go their way. They'll have to look squarely in the mirror to find the reasons why it hasn't.

Yes, the Bruins have played terrific hockey. They've been very creative and opportunistic on offense, like this David Krejci goal in Game 2.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are one of the NHL's marquee clubs and a main cog in the league's marketing efforts. Led by Sidney Crosby -- acclaimed as "The Face of the NHL" and the game's top player -- they fancy themselves as a perennial Stanley Cup contender. But this edition of the team is a flawed group and general manager Ray Shero may soon have to decide if it requires some significant changes if not a major overhaul.

It's big-time buzzkill, I know, to write that after Wednesday night's exceptionally entertaining Game 3 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Bruins, a 2-1 win for Boston in the second overtime period that was probably the most exciting match so far in these playoffs. But let's face facts: The Pens are now unexpectedly down 3-0 in this series, one that they and many others expected would go their way. They'll have to look squarely in the mirror to find the reasons why it hasn't.

Yes, the Bruins have played terrific hockey. They've been very creative and opportunistic on offense, like this David Krejci goal in Game 2.

They've also been well-structured defensively. They've been great killing penalties. They've gotten superb goaltending from Tuukka Rask. They've shown admirable courage, and Gregory Campbell's broken- legged shift in the second period of Game 3 is likely to become legendary.

And the B's have lived up to their identity in the belligerence department (see: Marchand, Brad).

But goals like Krejci's and many of the rest resulted from awful play by Pittsburgh in its own zone, starting with Norris Trophy nominee Kris Letang, who is a minus-five in this series and has been on the ice for seven of the Bruins' 11 goals. Boston went ahead 1-0 again early on Wednesday, yet another goal during which Letang seemed lost. He finally played up to his abilities the remainder of the evening, just as the rest of the Penguins did.

But the damage was done.

The Pens' breakdowns have been monumental and it makes you wonder if Pittsburgh had a plan for, or practiced, defensive zone coverage heading into this series against a Bruins team lauded for its depth at forward. The fact that Pittsburgh has surrendered very early goals in two of the three games, one inside a half-minute and the other in less than two minutes, says much about their preparation, or lack of it.

If this series in over -- and it most likely is -- the Penguins may have lost it before it began by underestimated their foe. At times, they've played as if they didn't anticipate that the Bruins -- whose coach, Claude Julien, called a Jekyll and Hyde club -- being as good as they are.

But even if the Pens entered the conference championship round believing they had a worthy opponent, another part of their mindset obviously failed them when they pulled a reprise of their silly behavior from last season's opening round loss to Philadelphia, in which they allowed the antagonistic Flyers to goad them into taking bad penalties and being more concerned with foolish vendettas than doing what suits the Penguins best: making use of their considerable skill.

We saw it in Game 1 of this round, highlighted by that stupid mess at the end of the second period, which included the fight between Evgeni Malkin and Patrice Bergeron, not to mention Crosby ridiculously trying to lure the behemoth Zdeno Chara into some sort of contretemps -- and by now you may have seen the Photoshopped image of a roaring King Kong-like Chara lifting Crosby over his head, which is how that episode could have ended had Chara elected to take the bait. Well, one captain showed discipline, the other didn't.

The score was only 1-0 at the time, but that incident showed that the Penguins are again prone to distraction -- and the Bruins were overjoyed to aid and abet them. Inside of eight minutes into the third period, Boston had scored twice more to put the game away.


Whatever plan the Penguins had going into Game 2 flew out the window when Marchand's goal 28 seconds after the opening face-off. The Pens reacted as if in shock. Instead of a sustained pushback, they looked mostly befuddled while falling 6-1. And the game really wasn't even that close, the signature sequence coming after Dan Bylsma's decision to pull goalie Tomas Vokoun following that great Krejci goal above. The intent might have been to jumpstart his club, and the Penguins did score about three minutes later. But there's a reason why one-time playoff hero Marc-Andre Fleury has been benched in favor of Vokoun since early in the first round, and Fleury reminded us when he gave the goal right back 25 seconds later.

It wasn't hard to recognize something important is missing in the Penguins after dropping those first two games at home. At least in Game 3, they did stiffen after the Bruins scored early in the first period. But the lack of discipline hurt them again midway through the frame when Joe Vitale took a completely needless roughing minor during the stoppage for an interference penalty on Boston's Johnny Boychuk, nullifying a Pittsburgh power play.

As talented as the Penguins are -- that is indisputable -- it takes much more than talent to win in the Stanley Cup Playoffs. How that talent is channeled and deployed through coaching, preparation and discipline are equally important, and teams must have a mental toughness to compliment whatever physical toughness is on their roster. Like last year, the Penguins haven't shown enough of that.

Some in Pittsburgh, no doubt, are ready to blow up the whole thing. Ron Cook in The Post-Gazette wrote on the eve of Game 3 that the futures of Bylsma, Fleury, Malkin, Letang, Brooks Orpik, Chris Kunitz, Pascal Dupuis, Matt Cooke, Craig Adams, Jarome Iginla, Brenden Morrow and Douglas Murray were all at stake in this series and if they lose, "Only Crosby will be safe. That will be especially true if the Penguins continue to put up little or no fight and go out in four or five games."

They put up a good fight on Wednesday, but still fell short. Their fans can try taking solace in the fact that the most recent team to drop a series after leading 3-0 was the Bruins in 2010. But in that collapse against Philly, Krejci was injured, Rask was in his first full NHL season, and the Bruins as a team had yet to learn what it takes to win a Stanley Cup.

So, barring some sort of mystical intervention that reverses things, Shero could soon be looking at making hard calls about who wears the Penguins sweater next season and who doesn't. He'll also have to mull over who will be behind their bench. Bylsma hasn't duplicated his team's journey to the 2009 Cup championship, but each year he's had to contend with missing core members of his club. That's not the case now.

With their full roster finally intact, the Penguins thought they'd be playing for the big trophy in the next round, if not flat out winning it. But they've underwhelmed their opposition in this round and the Cup is almost certainly headed elsewhere.

Some of those who have long been part of the Penguins may be headed elsewhere, too.
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Well dom, there is something worse then your leafs losing that game in that horrible fashion: The Pittsburgh Crosbies EPIC folding in 4 straight to the Bruins.

That's one for the history books.

Well, the Crosbies gotta make some big changes, namely getting forwards and defensemen that play good D, and establishing a system for that as well.

....and to think the naysayers thought we were haters when we said that Pittsburgh never got the Defensive side of the game addressed at the trade deadline.

Live and learn.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Too much work to search.

But, you may be right about that...I think this e-fight kinda started with how you suggested that Chicago trade for Vokoun (who was available at the time) as security...and I told you that was a waste of a trade because all Chicago had to do was shore up their D and forwards' back-check support and etc.

Anyhow, it just went from there. As for Waldorf, he joined the pile-on because he thought my sentiments on that were off to orbit.




In all seriousness, you do have to admit I did have a point. Chicago won with Niemi and this year, with Crawford, are doing it again...so, it is doable; an average goalie supported by a very good overall team D.
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I find the absence of the Pittsburgh fans interesting. Especially seeing how vocal they were during the winning.

At least the Rangers won 1.
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I find your trolling even more funny, yes we lost, glad all the haters are out. It was embarrassing, enjoy the fail. I supported my team all year, just a crappy way to go out, but unlike you, no sour grapes here.
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
I find your trolling even more funny, yes we lost, glad all the haters are out. It was embarrassing, enjoy the fail. I supported my team all year, just a crappy way to go out, but unlike you, no sour grapes here.

Sour grapes from me?

Not at all.

Your support has an interesting flavor.

When my team lost I congratulated Boston. You were silent & your first post is to call me a troll when I simply pointed out your and the other fans of your team being absent.

Pot meet kettle.
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you were calling for your coach to be fired before your teams season was even over, then when your team lost, you vanished for a week or more. My we have a short memory
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you were calling for your coach to be fired before your teams season was even over, then when your team lost, you vanished for a week or more. My we have a short memory
I have been calling for his disposal for three years.

Immediately after they were eliminated I congratulated Boston and posted less but vanished?


Scroll the thread sir, you are incorrect.
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5/28


6/1


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And multiple posts yesterday & today = not a week or more and I bet I missed some.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Well dom, there is something worse then your leafs losing that game in that horrible fashion: The Pittsburgh Crosbies EPIC folding in 4 straight to the Bruins.

That's one for the history books.

Well, the Crosbies gotta make some big changes, namely getting forwards and defensemen that play good D, and establishing a system for that as well.

....and to think the naysayers thought we were haters when we said that Pittsburgh never got the Defensive side of the game addressed at the trade deadline.

Live and learn.
I think pittsburgh's biggest problem is leadership or lack there of. I was listening to an interview with Phil bourque after game 2 when he was asked who could give a rousing speech to rally the troups and he struggled to come up with names. Eventually he came up with iggy, morrow and vokoun. Crosby just isn't captain material. Being the most talented isn't a qualification for being captain. Leading by example doesn't work I your example is , "look how talented I am."
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Originally Posted by black label
I think pittsburgh's biggest problem is leadership or lack there of. I was listening to an interview with Phil bourque after game 2 when he was asked who could give a rousing speech to rally the troups and he struggled to come up with names. Eventually he came up with iggy, morrow and vokoun. Crosby just isn't captain material. Being the most talented isn't a qualification for being captain. Leading by example doesn't work I your example is , "look how talented I am."
no idea how good or bad Crosby's speech skills are but the idea of giving the C to the most skilled player or most highly paid is so mind boggling I just can't believe it. It should be pretty easy to pick a leader out of 25 guys. Points and contract should have nothing to do with it.
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Originally Posted by e30cabrio
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And multiple posts yesterday & today = not a week or more and I bet I missed some.
Ok, you popped back in once in that week to talk about the kings, congrats

Don't chastise me for going to bed so I could get up to work this morning instead of running to the internet to take part in your bashing
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Originally Posted by black label
I think pittsburgh's biggest problem is leadership or lack there of. I was listening to an interview with Phil bourque after game 2 when he was asked who could give a rousing speech to rally the troups and he struggled to come up with names. Eventually he came up with iggy, morrow and vokoun. Crosby just isn't captain material. Being the most talented isn't a qualification for being captain. Leading by example doesn't work I your example is , "look how talented I am."
Have to agree with you here, Sid is a great talent, but the team has gone on without him many times. Whenever I hear about players speaking up or being listened to, it's usually someone other than Sid. As much as I love his skills, it hurts to see them be run into the ground year after year in the playoffs, but this series I put a lot on the coaching, mismanagement of talent, and lack of adjustments and adaptations after losing game after game. Definitely need some shakeups going forward.
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
Have to agree with you here, Sid is a great talent, but the team has gone on without him many times. Whenever I hear about players speaking up or being listened to, it's usually someone other than Sid. As much as I love his skills, it hurts to see them be run into the ground year after year in the playoffs, but this series I put a lot on the coaching, mismanagement of talent, and lack of adjustments and adaptations after losing game after game. Definitely need some shakeups going forward.
Yes, I agree with the captain thing too. It's the same situation that the Caps have: Ovechkin is definitely NOT captain material. The Caps captain should be Brooks Laich.

I disagree on the Penguins coaching. I think Bylsma is a solid coach. I don't think you can throw 2 captains from other teams onto a team like the Pens near the end of the season and think that things will fall into place quickly. There's not enough time to get everyone's shit together. Maybe Bylsma deserves some blame for the discipline meltdown in game 1, but I think that's mostly Crosby, the fact that he mentally snaps sometimes, and that he has that "C" on his sweater so some of his teammates follow.

Bylsma has been very good for that team. Who else would they get?

Anyhoo, Bruins-Blackhawks will be good. Let's see how/if the Bruins game adjusts.
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I think Cooke should be the captain.


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