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04-24-2012, 10:18 AM
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events. 
04-24-2012, 11:16 AM
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@ Cawks
04-24-2012, 11:20 AM
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04-24-2012, 11:29 AM
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Same as the Hawks, out of the playoffs and prepping Tee times.
04-24-2012, 11:35 AM
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04-24-2012, 11:41 AM
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The west has been crazy, A preds blues conf final would be absolutely awesome to watch
04-24-2012, 11:45 AM
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I don't know, your Hawk's should be getting pretty good with a putter by now.
04-24-2012, 11:47 AM
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04-24-2012, 11:50 AM
Rangers may as well not show up. Melrose picked them to win.
04-24-2012, 11:53 AM
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And what game were the refs and video replay people watching on that Neil kick in? Can't believe that was allowed to stand.
04-24-2012, 11:55 AM
What about pushing Lundqvist out of the crease with his stick???
People wonder why they were pissed.
People wonder why they were pissed.
04-24-2012, 01:01 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
Welcome to the boring hockey series of Preds & Yotes.
4 goals on 20 shots, and 3 of them came only on 12 shots in the 3rd period.
You gotta have better goaltending than that to win in the playoffs.
Hawks ran into the Smith wall. 39 shots and no goals.....Smith is very, very impressive.
04-24-2012, 01:28 PM
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I'm not being a Crawford apologist, so...please, let's not go down that tangent. Also, I will NOT contest the better goalie because, clearly, Smith was very good...and the remaining goalies playing for all the remaining teams in the West are all top tier. I'm not entirely sold on St. Lou's goalies as I think Elliot and Halak are byproducts of a terrific defensive scheme...but, Quick, Smith, and Rinne are definitely all-stars.
That being said, Crawford is built on a team whose purpose is to build from D and out...the goalie is "extra". He just needs to be serviceable. In yesterday's elimination game, Crow WAS serviceable. The goals all scored by Phoenix were products of terrible defensive coverage and Chicago's retarded stubbornness in NOT moving players from in front of the net.
The 1st PP goal, Hanzal stood in front of Crawford, untouched. So, the goalie was screened and had zero chance on the shot from the point. The goals that followed afterwards were from players who were left undefended in front of the net...So, you tell me: was Crawford as bad as he was? Or was it the D?
I say the D.
This, of course, does not absolve the guy for his big-time softies he let in for the 2 OT winners in Games 2 and 3.
We'll see what happens...I've seen Crawford enough to believe he can become "better" if the D in front of him improves. Until then, I don't even think any of the top tier goalies I named above would be successful in Chicago's system.
That being said, Crawford is built on a team whose purpose is to build from D and out...the goalie is "extra". He just needs to be serviceable. In yesterday's elimination game, Crow WAS serviceable. The goals all scored by Phoenix were products of terrible defensive coverage and Chicago's retarded stubbornness in NOT moving players from in front of the net.
The 1st PP goal, Hanzal stood in front of Crawford, untouched. So, the goalie was screened and had zero chance on the shot from the point. The goals that followed afterwards were from players who were left undefended in front of the net...So, you tell me: was Crawford as bad as he was? Or was it the D?
I say the D.
This, of course, does not absolve the guy for his big-time softies he let in for the 2 OT winners in Games 2 and 3.
We'll see what happens...I've seen Crawford enough to believe he can become "better" if the D in front of him improves. Until then, I don't even think any of the top tier goalies I named above would be successful in Chicago's system.
04-24-2012, 01:56 PM
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So is Crawford a name brand goalie? 
04-24-2012, 02:53 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
In the playoffs you need a goaltender that is
A: top notch.
B: one that will steal you a game all on his own.
Crawford is neither.
The Hawks with Crawford between the pipes chances of winning another Cup are the slimmest of margins.
The Hawks will be looking to fix their goaltending this off season.
A: top notch.
B: one that will steal you a game all on his own.
Crawford is neither.
The Hawks with Crawford between the pipes chances of winning another Cup are the slimmest of margins.
The Hawks will be looking to fix their goaltending this off season.
04-24-2012, 03:02 PM
First of all NOBODY in LA besides the cities clown for a mayor calls them self an "angelino"
You can't be serious about that statement.
Secondly nobody in LA gives a crap about NY. We can care less.
We neither love nor hate NY....and FWIW...the city of L.A. is a cesspool.
Why am I rooting for the Sens?
...perhaps because Torts is a "play the victim jackass"....perhaps because I'd love to see Richards go down in the first round......or perhaps it's because it's always great to see the low rank take out the high rank team.
...and you are pulling for the NHL Yotes?!?!?!
Nice to see you can't be wound up and made to rant. Wow.
sorry you hate everything. I lived in L.A. for 24 years and was an Angelino as I was a New Yorker the first 13 years of my life.
I am a Yankee and Ranger fan. Those are my teams. As an ex ANGELINO, I rooted for the Angels (although I hate them) when I went to game 7 of their world series against the Giants.
I am pulling for the Coyotes as a resident of Phoenix over everyone until they meet the Rangers. That does not make me a fan of either team (Angels or Coyotes).
Is there anything you won't judge with derision?
If the brand name is Sonia
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04-24-2012, 03:15 PM
It seems KCET and numerous others would disagree with you on what collectively residents of L.A. are called.
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...-angeleno.html
Angelino, Angeleno, and Angeleño
by D. J. Waldie
on January 10, 2011 2:00 PM
Who are we? In a previous post, I used the Google Books Ngram Viewer to compare two of the words that have been used to name those who live in Los Angeles: Angelino and Angeleno.
There's another word, original and more correct. The word for us is Angeleño (with a tildé over the n). The sound of ñ is roughly approximated by the "ny" in canyon. In telling the Spanish alphabet, the letter ñ is pronounced "enye."
Even after the Americanization of Los Angeles (and until the early 1860s), nearly all residents of the city - Anglo and Latino both - spoke Spanish. Presumably (if it ever came up in conversation), they called themselves Angeleños, because that's the usual form of the noun.
The Oxford English Dictionary notes that the first use in print of a word denoting a resident of Los Angeles appears in California of the South, published in English in 1888. The authors of California of the South (Walter Lindley and Joseph. P. Widney) were Anglo residents of early Los Angeles writing for readers in the East. They assumed that Angeleño was the common name for Los Angeles residents.
Not Angelino or Angeleno.
The OED notes that the ending -eño continues to be the regular formation of the word describing residents of a city or a region: think of Norteño. The OED parenthetically adds that Angeleño is "also used" to name residents of Los Angeles, California.
The American Heritage Dictionary also points out that the Spanish word for the inhabitations of cities in Latin America named Los Angeles is Angeleño. (There are more than 100 towns in Latin America called Los Angeles.) Interestingly, English language newspapers in the Philippines routinely refer to residents of Los Angeles - a major city on the island of Luzon - as Angeleños.
So how did the tildé disappear from our collective identity and the Spanish pronunciation that it represents? After the first influx of eastern and midwestern immigrants in the late 1870s, Los Angeles lost its everyday bilingualism. Ñ was one more letter to maintain in the typesetter's case of fonts when type was set by hand. And the ñ was hard to distinguish from an English n, making typographical errors a problem. The typesetters weren't familiar with Spanish orthography anyway. And we were careless Americans who had little time for the details of Spanish pronunciation.
Ñs disappeared; a sound disappeared from our common speech. We lost a little of our music along with our memory.
For years the Los Angeles Times tried to get residents and tourists to pronounce the city's name in some approximation of Spanish. It had no effect. When I was growing up in the 1950s, the city was variously Lhas ANG-less or Loss AN-jell-ease. Today, it's mostly lawss-AN-juh-luhs.
Oh . . . and the name of the city should be spelled Los Ángeles, with an accent over the a.
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...-angeleno.html
Angelino, Angeleno, and Angeleño
by D. J. Waldie
on January 10, 2011 2:00 PM
Who are we? In a previous post, I used the Google Books Ngram Viewer to compare two of the words that have been used to name those who live in Los Angeles: Angelino and Angeleno.
There's another word, original and more correct. The word for us is Angeleño (with a tildé over the n). The sound of ñ is roughly approximated by the "ny" in canyon. In telling the Spanish alphabet, the letter ñ is pronounced "enye."
Even after the Americanization of Los Angeles (and until the early 1860s), nearly all residents of the city - Anglo and Latino both - spoke Spanish. Presumably (if it ever came up in conversation), they called themselves Angeleños, because that's the usual form of the noun.
The Oxford English Dictionary notes that the first use in print of a word denoting a resident of Los Angeles appears in California of the South, published in English in 1888. The authors of California of the South (Walter Lindley and Joseph. P. Widney) were Anglo residents of early Los Angeles writing for readers in the East. They assumed that Angeleño was the common name for Los Angeles residents.
Not Angelino or Angeleno.
The OED notes that the ending -eño continues to be the regular formation of the word describing residents of a city or a region: think of Norteño. The OED parenthetically adds that Angeleño is "also used" to name residents of Los Angeles, California.
The American Heritage Dictionary also points out that the Spanish word for the inhabitations of cities in Latin America named Los Angeles is Angeleño. (There are more than 100 towns in Latin America called Los Angeles.) Interestingly, English language newspapers in the Philippines routinely refer to residents of Los Angeles - a major city on the island of Luzon - as Angeleños.
So how did the tildé disappear from our collective identity and the Spanish pronunciation that it represents? After the first influx of eastern and midwestern immigrants in the late 1870s, Los Angeles lost its everyday bilingualism. Ñ was one more letter to maintain in the typesetter's case of fonts when type was set by hand. And the ñ was hard to distinguish from an English n, making typographical errors a problem. The typesetters weren't familiar with Spanish orthography anyway. And we were careless Americans who had little time for the details of Spanish pronunciation.
Ñs disappeared; a sound disappeared from our common speech. We lost a little of our music along with our memory.
For years the Los Angeles Times tried to get residents and tourists to pronounce the city's name in some approximation of Spanish. It had no effect. When I was growing up in the 1950s, the city was variously Lhas ANG-less or Loss AN-jell-ease. Today, it's mostly lawss-AN-juh-luhs.
Oh . . . and the name of the city should be spelled Los Ángeles, with an accent over the a.
04-24-2012, 03:25 PM
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^^ Again NOBODY calls themselves "angelinos". The article you posted has no merit. 
Sure it was a term used many moons ago, and the clown mayor tries to use it often, and the media as well, but sorry, nobody in L.A. calls themselves an "angelino".
Are you sure you lived out here?
As if peeps in Compton, Van Nuys, Reseda, Venice, Manhattan Beach....call themselves "angelinos". ....perhaps it's only the people who live in downtown L.A. that do....yea...I'm guessing not.
New Yorkers calling themselves New Yorkers?.....yup...you bet...with pride.
Angelinos....not so much.
Perhaps saying you were a former "angelino" works for you on the East Coast
Maybe.....I dunno.
Sure it was a term used many moons ago, and the clown mayor tries to use it often, and the media as well, but sorry, nobody in L.A. calls themselves an "angelino".
Are you sure you lived out here?
As if peeps in Compton, Van Nuys, Reseda, Venice, Manhattan Beach....call themselves "angelinos".
....perhaps it's only the people who live in downtown L.A. that do....yea...I'm guessing not.New Yorkers calling themselves New Yorkers?.....yup...you bet...with pride.
Angelinos....not so much.
Perhaps saying you were a former "angelino" works for you on the East Coast
Maybe.....I dunno.
04-24-2012, 03:35 PM
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Statler:
Clearly I don't follow the Hawks, the fans, the Hawks media critics as much as you do, but do the aforementioned really believe as you do, that there is no big goaltending issue for the club?
Clearly I don't follow the Hawks, the fans, the Hawks media critics as much as you do, but do the aforementioned really believe as you do, that there is no big goaltending issue for the club?
04-24-2012, 03:38 PM
^^ Again NOBODY calls themselves "angelinos". The article you posted has no merit.
Sure it was a term used many moons ago, and the clown mayor tries to use it often, and the media as well, but sorry, nobody in L.A. calls themselves an "angelino".
Are you sure you lived out here?
As if peeps in Compton, Van Nuys, Reseda, Venice, Manhattan Beach....call themselves "angelinos". ....perhaps it's only the people who live in downtown L.A. that do....yea...I'm guessing not.
New Yorkers calling themselves New Yorkers?.....yup...you bet...with pride.
Angelinos....not so much.
Perhaps saying you were a former "angelino" works for you on the East Coast
Maybe.....I dunno.
Sure it was a term used many moons ago, and the clown mayor tries to use it often, and the media as well, but sorry, nobody in L.A. calls themselves an "angelino".
Are you sure you lived out here?
As if peeps in Compton, Van Nuys, Reseda, Venice, Manhattan Beach....call themselves "angelinos".
....perhaps it's only the people who live in downtown L.A. that do....yea...I'm guessing not.New Yorkers calling themselves New Yorkers?.....yup...you bet...with pride.
Angelinos....not so much.
Perhaps saying you were a former "angelino" works for you on the East Coast
Maybe.....I dunno.
I lived everywhere from Balboa Island to Hollywood over the decades.
Including Santa Monica, Beverly Hills and for a year near Hoover when I was in college (can you guess which one)????
I hope the Rangers win, but know they may not. That is ok. I have a new year with the Yankees starting.
I just find it humorous when people from So cal spend so much energy deriding New York (code for Manhattan or THE CITY) and then saying they don't so energetically.
04-24-2012, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
So is Crawford a name brand goalie?
Heck no. That's not how Chicago built the team (around a goalie).
He was meant to step in like Niemi. Of course, that would work if the team right now was as deep as the 2010 squad...this one? Not so much. They need to fix that D and look at perhaps upgrading the goalie position.
It will be interesting to see what Bowman does.
04-24-2012, 04:44 PM
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As much as they hate the Red Wings, the Hawks are a carbon-copy of Detroit's model: swift-skating defense and puck-possession. So, most of their $$$ are tied up to support that model. Goaltending is placed at a lesser importance.
Clearly, it worked...but, that was in 2010. Last year, write-off, as you had a team that was gutted thanks to the salary cap. This year, additions and lack of that clearly have not made the Hawks back to their vintage 2010 form.
But, in short: yes, goalie will be looked at. But, I would not be shocked if management decides to stick with Crawford.
04-24-2012, 04:47 PM
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In the playoffs you need a goaltender that is
A: top notch.
B: one that will steal you a game all on his own.
Crawford is neither.
The Hawks with Crawford between the pipes chances of winning another Cup are the slimmest of margins.
The Hawks will be looking to fix their goaltending this off season.
A: top notch.
B: one that will steal you a game all on his own.
Crawford is neither.
The Hawks with Crawford between the pipes chances of winning another Cup are the slimmest of margins.
The Hawks will be looking to fix their goaltending this off season.
So, if you combine that with a "serviceable" goalie, you get a 1st round elimination.
This goes back to our huge argument back then. I was just saying that Chicago did NOT need a $$$$-name goalie because they had the defense and personnel in front to counter so-so goaltending.
04-24-2012, 04:48 PM
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04-24-2012, 05:10 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
I don't talk about it and am not currently living in Manhattan although I have a CO OP there.
I lived everywhere from Balboa Island to Hollywood over the decades.
Including Santa Monica, Beverly Hills and for a year near Hoover when I was in college (can you guess which one)????
I hope the Rangers win, but know they may not. That is ok. I have a new year with the Yankees starting.
I just find it humorous when people from So cal spend so much energy deriding New York (code for Manhattan or THE CITY) and then saying they don't so energetically.
I lived everywhere from Balboa Island to Hollywood over the decades.
Including Santa Monica, Beverly Hills and for a year near Hoover when I was in college (can you guess which one)????
I hope the Rangers win, but know they may not. That is ok. I have a new year with the Yankees starting.
I just find it humorous when people from So cal spend so much energy deriding New York (code for Manhattan or THE CITY) and then saying they don't so energetically.
You have a misconception about SoCal.
04-24-2012, 07:22 PM
I feel the need...
I dunno too many Manhattanites who refer to themselves as being from THE CITY. From my experience, that term is more commonly used in London for those who work/live in the financial district.
04-24-2012, 07:23 PM
But enough of this, go Panthers!
04-24-2012, 07:25 PM
04-24-2012, 07:26 PM
I feel the need...
04-24-2012, 07:28 PM
lol
04-24-2012, 07:31 PM
I feel the need...
T'will be easy to look like a genius after he convinces Parise and Suter to don the Red Jersey. Didn't know those two were close buddies, so I'm feeling better and better about this, especially if Lidstrom takes a pay cut to come back for one more run at the cup. 
04-25-2012, 05:33 AM
I am #76,361,211,935
In these playoffs its normal. Ok, ok .. I'll concede that the Neil goal was a little
"iffy" .. but only cuz I'm feeling charitable today.
Goalie interference, cross-chccking and all the other BS seems to be invisible
or is just being accepted. How some of those guys don't end up with broken
backs from the cross-checks they take is beyond me.
Anyway, its a 1 game series now .. Go SENS Go!
"iffy" .. but only cuz I'm feeling charitable today.
Goalie interference, cross-chccking and all the other BS seems to be invisible
or is just being accepted. How some of those guys don't end up with broken
backs from the cross-checks they take is beyond me.
Anyway, its a 1 game series now .. Go SENS Go!
04-25-2012, 06:49 AM
Thank you for that. I just can't believe how it was "missed" that he steam shoveled him out of the crease, forget the kick.
How about this:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hoc...dent-in-game-6
Rangers coach John Tortorella said "No comment" in a conference call Tuesday about the incident between Ottawa wing Milan Michalek and defenseman Dan Girardi during Game 6, as well as Senators wing Chris Neil's warning to defenseman Michael Del Zotto.
In the third period of the Rangers' 3-2 win, CBC footage showed Michalek appearing to kick Girardi twice in the fracas in front of the net that led to Ottawa's controversial second goal. Players have been suspended for similar actions this season.
Following the game, Neil, whose hit gave Brian Boyle a concussion in Game 5, was not pleased with Del Zotto after the Rangers defenseman hit Neil in the third period. It took Neil a few minutes to get up before he skated off on his own.
"I'm sure I'll catch him with his head down one of these times," Neil said according to reports.
Seems like he is saying he intends to injure.
How about this:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hoc...dent-in-game-6
Rangers coach John Tortorella said "No comment" in a conference call Tuesday about the incident between Ottawa wing Milan Michalek and defenseman Dan Girardi during Game 6, as well as Senators wing Chris Neil's warning to defenseman Michael Del Zotto.
In the third period of the Rangers' 3-2 win, CBC footage showed Michalek appearing to kick Girardi twice in the fracas in front of the net that led to Ottawa's controversial second goal. Players have been suspended for similar actions this season.
Following the game, Neil, whose hit gave Brian Boyle a concussion in Game 5, was not pleased with Del Zotto after the Rangers defenseman hit Neil in the third period. It took Neil a few minutes to get up before he skated off on his own.
"I'm sure I'll catch him with his head down one of these times," Neil said according to reports.
Seems like he is saying he intends to injure.
04-25-2012, 10:34 AM
The sizzle in the Steak
It is clearly possible.Good luck to your Rangers. I'm pulling for the Sens upset.
...and please don't call yourself an "angelino" you sound ridiculous.
04-25-2012, 10:35 AM
The sizzle in the Steak
04-25-2012, 10:52 AM
I never called myself an angelino, especially considering I have not lived there in over 10 years. (although I have a condo there and go if just for Carney's as often as I can)
You can get thousands of people to say they saw Elvis at 7-11, Bigfoot, Nessie and that that Dianetics is a valid religion.
That don't make it so.
Here is an idea, how 'bout we return to the topic?
I am a die hard Ranger fan, used to their failure. I will be sad if they lose but again, seeing as I doubt they have a cup run in them it is preferable to pull that band aid off quickly.
I hope the Kings win up to and until they meet the Rangers in the finals.
Stay classy!
You can get thousands of people to say they saw Elvis at 7-11, Bigfoot, Nessie and that that Dianetics is a valid religion.
That don't make it so.
Here is an idea, how 'bout we return to the topic?
I am a die hard Ranger fan, used to their failure. I will be sad if they lose but again, seeing as I doubt they have a cup run in them it is preferable to pull that band aid off quickly.
I hope the Kings win up to and until they meet the Rangers in the finals.
Stay classy!
