Rounder

Not arguing that the hit was late... they timed it at 0.8 seconds. Anything over 0.5 seconds is deemed "late" by the NHL.

Yumcha

^ Then, why are you comparing it to Stevens' hit on Lindros?

Yumcha

And yes, I'm still not over the hit laid by Torres because it had a direct impact on the result of the game with the idiot not being thrown out.

black label

I already explained the Neal/Torres mistype. Way to pick up on the one thing I was wrong about and completely avoid the rest of the statement which is still relevant.

To put it most simply, you can't compare any hit from before this year to a hit from this year and say this years hit shouldn't be suspended because the previous hit wasn't. That would be ignoring the fact that they are supposed to be cracking down in these types of hits. Thing's that were OK before aren't OK anymore.

Rounder

I hadn't scrolled to the other posts yet...

damn you guys are acting like I'm raffi torres here...

I said it's bad hossa got hurt and tried to pick a huge hit from the past to compare it to...but since we aren't/can't compare hits anymore because the rules changed, maybe that was a mistake.

black label

I'm confused by this as well, he's flip flopping like a politician. First it was "same thing, Keep you head up, hope he's OK though", then it's "minimum 5 games." Rounders theories on supplemental discipline seem to be as consistent as Shanny's.

Rounder

because it was the first big open ice hit that resulted in a bad injury that came to my mind.

black label

Shhhh, never admit you were wrong. The count is looking at you as a possible replacement for Shanny next year.

Rounder

not blaming hossa for being in that position to get hit..it was clear torres lined him up and didn't hit him clean, but one of the NHL radio guys made a point this morning saying you should know who is on the ice, and be aware. but still once you pass the puck you shouldn't be expecting a hit that late.

like I said, he should get suspended 5 games because he is a repeat offender but do you think he tried to injure hossa? this is how torres plays we all know his style and I am not saying it's right at all.

Yumcha

Well, I'm not here to pick on you, Rounder. The argument on punishment by the League is whole other discussion (or not because it is a freaking joke).

I just don't agree with the comparison because in Lindros' case, the poor guy had the puck. Hossa didn't have the puck and Torres had more than enough time to lay off...

Instead, Torres used the time to size him up, leave his feet, and plow his shoulder into Hossa's head.

Just saying that the hits are not even close.

Moog-Type-S

For a second there I thought you were serious.

Yumcha

That is a retarded comment by whoever said it.

Hossa KNOWS Torres is on the ice. I'm sure the Hawks are ALL aware of Torres and what he brings. They were victimized by him last year when he plowed Seabrook into orbit and know what the guy did to other players (i.e. Hejda, Eberle, etc. etc. etc.).

The thing is, Hossa made a pass and in the time passed, he should EXPECT the respect (which we know right now, that Torres has none) from the opponent to lay off when he's in no position to protect himself from a hit. That's the difference.

Yumcha

What I think is so sad is that out of all of this (Torres incident), is that we can be certain of Coach Q getting fined for daring to criticize the bad officiating last night. Everything else (i.e. what is Torres' punishment of lack thereof, Hossa coming back, etc.), we can just close our eyes and pick a random possibility.

Rounder

yea I was driving to work and was like huh?

Hockey This Morning Weekdays 7 am - 11 am ET Mike Ross, with some help from Mick Kern. I believe it was Mick Kern lol.

They were talking about all the hits torres did especially the seabrook hit last year.

Moog-Type-S

Bottom line: Hossa did not have the puck.

Sure you can say keep your head up and on a swivel at all times.
...but Hossa again did not have the puck.

Not to mention Torres left his feet (charged) and put shoulder to head.

Rounder

what do you guys think about the whole "anything more than 0.5 seconds is a late hit" thing?

in reality, a second is a very small amount of time, even at the NHL speed. I don't know if that would be a good barometer to set hits at, like the NHL has done.

you are allowed to legally check someone if they have the puck, or just released the puck.

to compare, a 90 MPH slapshot gets from the blueline to the net in 0.8 seconds.

Moog-Type-S

NHL should give each head coach one video review/timeout per game to review uncalled/missed infractions. If found there is was no further infraction or infraction of any kind, then the team is assessed a 2 minute penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

We know the refs can't see everything, they missed this one...heck they missed the Sharks playing the puck from the bench vs the Kings and all eyes were on the puck, and they still missed it.

In the case of the Hossa hit, if given video review, Torres would have clearly been tossed, and the Hawks the PP.

Moog-Type-S

Nobody is basing it on "tick-tock" seconds....as if someone is counting or has a stop watch. It's all about the flow of the game, the timing, and the intent of the hit.

There usually is not that much controversy over a late hit. Most are pretty cut and dry.

Rounder

but they are counting in tick tock seconds after the fact. all the announcers and analysts said "oh we timed that at 0.83... so it was late" they said that on the air which is why I'm asking.

Moog-Type-S

Guys in the booth can count all they want after the fact. It means absolutely nothing.

The point is that refs on the ice do not and cannot count the fractions of a second.

Again it's all about the intent, the play, the flow, and the "timing".

It's really not that hard to determine on the ice if a hit was late or not.

Sure, some get missed, but on the whole, late hits stick out like sore thumbs.

dom

Obviously its better to not make the playoffs. You're safer and can enjoy a longer career.

Yumcha

It's all good. The NHL is intent on the Hawks not making it to round 2...so, Toews can join Captain Dion on the greens.

I haven't even begun my diatribe about how absolutely shitty the reffing was in the Hawks/Bettmans series...

dom

Yummy, you know I love a good Bettman conspiracy theory as much as the next guy. (shutup Fibo and Moog ) but I think the last thing he wants is any attention being drawn to the Coyotes. They're not staying, that ship has sailed. So them winning rounds and drawing interest only makes moving them more difficult. Not something the NHL wants at this time as they prepare for the move to Quebec.

Moog-Type-S

I trust dom, he knows all about the secret Bettman Cabal.

97BlackAckCL

iTrader: (6)

Great point, but Hossa's a pussy and should retire

I have always wanted to see a review and/or challenge for the coaches

The Toronto Maple Syrup's health and wellness plan

Yumcha

Yeah, well...If I were in your shoes, I'd be sore too for him jumping ship like that.

But, your loss is my Hawks' gain. He brings alot to the team with his play...well, not anymore. Like I said, I doubt he's back for the remainder of the playoffs. In the meantime, mission accomplished for Torres for taking out a key player on Chicago's top line.

Moog-Type-S

Any word on what Hossa's injury really is?

97BlackAckCL

iTrader: (6)

For the record, you should know that my comment has nothing to do with Hossa directly, just another stab at Dom's beloved Canadian media

97BlackAckCL

iTrader: (6)

Sandy Vag

Yumcha

Ha...as per usual, it's an "upper body injury".

Rounder

I will not be near a computer all day tomorrow, so don't think I am running away to cry*IF* the pens lose tonight. I will probably be however.

Rounder

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=628445

Torres suspended indefinitely.

Yumcha

How about the 4 refs? They should be suspended too.

Moog-Type-S

Easy, now....easy.

Moog-Type-S

Well now that makes everything nice and consistent, no?

Rounder

this is all Milbury's fault for trading him from the Islanders.

black label

It's not really all that indefinite, he's missing a game on Thursday and has a hearing Friday. It may turn out to be a $2500 fine and time served but I still think it will be a longer suspension.

97BlackAckCL

iTrader: (6)

I'm sure it will be more than 1 game, but probably just the rest of the playoffs, however many games that ends up being

Moog-Type-S

^^ black label must have missed the red text.

Moog-Type-S

Word is the twins will in fact re-unite on the ice tonight for the Nucks in a last ditch act of desperation!