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Hockey: News and Discussion Thread
03-18-2011, 07:19 PM
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Nothing exciting but interesting..
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/dregerreport/
1) The NHL has confirmed plans for another Research and Development camp this summer.
Brendan Shanahan will once again spearhead the project and says this year's two-day camp will take place Aug. 17-18 at the Mastercard Centre, otherwise known as the Toronto Maple Leafs' practice facility.
The league liked the 'guinea pigs' used in last year's experimentation, primarily 17-year-old, draft-eligible players and will soon be sending out invites to the 2012 crop to provide the athletes this year.
Shanahan intends on condensing the list of items to be tested, focusing instead on the changes that could be introduced in the NHL as early as next season.
Among them - a newly-designed net with a red mesh and smaller holes strung across the top of net, in addition to a smaller, more shallow base at the bottom.
Both alterations were tested last summer and there is a strong desire to test the prototype net again before putting it in play, perhaps as early as next year.
The new mesh is expected to increase clarity in video review when trying to determine, conclusively, whether or not the puck crossed the goal line, while the smaller base will allow players to get around the net quicker and is expected to provide more room for direct passes.
Also worth repeating is the NHL's planned testing at the R+D camp of a communication system for all referees.
This system would allow the two refs to talk, via headset, during a play and lead each other based on what they're seeing in the battle areas to allow play to continue or make a specific call.
Disallowed goals, where the referee rules he was in the process of blowing the whistle (usually because he's lost sight of the puck) is an area of concern that might be corrected if both refs are in constant communication and able to share each others views.
Sources say this advancement could be introduced in time for next season.
2) As TSN's Bob McKenzie pointed out last night, the general managers' swift push to incorporate a new in-game concussion protocol has a few critics.
Safety is a primary concern for all, however some feel, excuse the pun, 'blindsided' by the new initiative and suggest the league should have included team doctors, trainers and coaches, those directly involved in the process, in the preliminary discussions, before making the announcement of the protocol changes on Monday.
The league's view - with such an important issue, there was no reason to delay its implementation.
To a man, all the GMs were extremely impressed with the depth of information the NHL provided in Monday's video presentation on concussions, but for those affected outside of the managers' meetings, some believe it would have been beneficial to include a number of the quality team medical people from around the league in the development of the new strategy.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman suggested those who do not comply with the change in protocol will be sanctioned, but isn't sure as to the extent of the financial penalty.
It seems foolish, for obvious health reasons, that all teams won't strictly follow the guidelines. But sources say for those who don't, the sanction will be significant enough that the league's resolve wouldn't be tested twice.
Brendan Shanahan will once again spearhead the project and says this year's two-day camp will take place Aug. 17-18 at the Mastercard Centre, otherwise known as the Toronto Maple Leafs' practice facility.
The league liked the 'guinea pigs' used in last year's experimentation, primarily 17-year-old, draft-eligible players and will soon be sending out invites to the 2012 crop to provide the athletes this year.
Shanahan intends on condensing the list of items to be tested, focusing instead on the changes that could be introduced in the NHL as early as next season.
Among them - a newly-designed net with a red mesh and smaller holes strung across the top of net, in addition to a smaller, more shallow base at the bottom.
Both alterations were tested last summer and there is a strong desire to test the prototype net again before putting it in play, perhaps as early as next year.
The new mesh is expected to increase clarity in video review when trying to determine, conclusively, whether or not the puck crossed the goal line, while the smaller base will allow players to get around the net quicker and is expected to provide more room for direct passes.
Also worth repeating is the NHL's planned testing at the R+D camp of a communication system for all referees.
This system would allow the two refs to talk, via headset, during a play and lead each other based on what they're seeing in the battle areas to allow play to continue or make a specific call.
Disallowed goals, where the referee rules he was in the process of blowing the whistle (usually because he's lost sight of the puck) is an area of concern that might be corrected if both refs are in constant communication and able to share each others views.
Sources say this advancement could be introduced in time for next season.
2) As TSN's Bob McKenzie pointed out last night, the general managers' swift push to incorporate a new in-game concussion protocol has a few critics.
Safety is a primary concern for all, however some feel, excuse the pun, 'blindsided' by the new initiative and suggest the league should have included team doctors, trainers and coaches, those directly involved in the process, in the preliminary discussions, before making the announcement of the protocol changes on Monday.
The league's view - with such an important issue, there was no reason to delay its implementation.
To a man, all the GMs were extremely impressed with the depth of information the NHL provided in Monday's video presentation on concussions, but for those affected outside of the managers' meetings, some believe it would have been beneficial to include a number of the quality team medical people from around the league in the development of the new strategy.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman suggested those who do not comply with the change in protocol will be sanctioned, but isn't sure as to the extent of the financial penalty.
It seems foolish, for obvious health reasons, that all teams won't strictly follow the guidelines. But sources say for those who don't, the sanction will be significant enough that the league's resolve wouldn't be tested twice.
03-18-2011, 08:31 PM
3-0 Win, with 12 shots on goal 
Nuvy gets fourth SO of the year, leads rookies.
Nuvy gets fourth SO of the year, leads rookies.
03-18-2011, 10:33 PM
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Caps look good.
03-18-2011, 10:40 PM
Miracle!
Rangers won an important game that may allow them to get into the playoffs to be embarrassed!!!!!!
Rangers won an important game that may allow them to get into the playoffs to be embarrassed!!!!!!
03-19-2011, 10:06 PM
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Did your Bruins really just lose to the Leafs...? :shakehead
03-20-2011, 09:33 AM
I feel the need...
Leaves throw up a donut vs the lowly Panthers, then come back and look like cup contenders in the 2nd period vs the B's - what a Jeckyl and Hyde team.
's gotta be pulling the few remaining hairs left outta his mullet! So tantalizingly close to the playoffs and yet so far...
's gotta be pulling the few remaining hairs left outta his mullet! So tantalizingly close to the playoffs and yet so far...
03-20-2011, 01:57 PM
Leave it to a Matt Cooke game misconduct to change a game, was pretty boring until then. Pens had great PK hustle for about three minutes of that five.
So Cooke gets, what eight game vacation for that elbow?
So Cooke gets, what eight game vacation for that elbow?
03-20-2011, 02:56 PM
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Fuckin POS Cooke.. What a fuckin moron throwing an elbow to a guys face. Luckily the guy didn't get seriously hurt. WTF is wrong with him. He's got issues.. Hope he's suspended the rest of the year including playoffs.
03-20-2011, 03:44 PM
Wonder if Mario will make another public statement? 
If not he needs to sell the team and go away.
If not he needs to sell the team and go away.
03-20-2011, 05:11 PM
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@ Cooke...Can this fawker be thrown out of the NHL, please!??!???
03-20-2011, 05:13 PM
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Mario and the Pens organization better speak up...they were so vocal recently. This should be no exception...
03-20-2011, 05:55 PM
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03-20-2011, 05:58 PM
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Seriously, watch this latest cheap shot, then go back and watch the Savard hit. It the same angle from the blindside, same hit to the head with the elbow, same situation with the puck already being gone.
If the NHL really wanted to set a tone for concussion prevention and player safety coming first, Cooke needs to be banned from the league. What he has done is worse than what McSorely did and McSorely was suspended indefinitely after the Brashear incident.
If the NHL really wanted to set a tone for concussion prevention and player safety coming first, Cooke needs to be banned from the league. What he has done is worse than what McSorely did and McSorely was suspended indefinitely after the Brashear incident.
03-20-2011, 06:00 PM
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"I don't think you can talk about eliminating head shots from the game, as we have as an organization, and not expect that to be examined, as what looks to be contact right to the head, on the play," said Penguins head coach Dan Bylsma after the game. "The league will look at that and treat it as such."
Credit to McDonagh, I'd be pissed if I was him..
"I didn't see him coming. I know it hurt, that's for sure," McDonagh told the Canadian Press. "I would hope it wasn't his intent. It's a tight game. I'm sure he's not trying to get his team a five-minute penalty. He'd probably just trying to finish his check and just caught me wrong."
03-20-2011, 06:18 PM
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Keith is the one that started this mess... Cooke hasn't been the same since!!
I blame you and Keith..... Black label you can see where he learned this trick. Blame Yummy!<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5XiTS8NjNao" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
03-20-2011, 06:19 PM
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Seriously, watch this latest cheap shot, then go back and watch the Savard hit. It the same angle from the blindside, same hit to the head with the elbow, same situation with the puck already being gone.
If the NHL really wanted to set a tone for concussion prevention and player safety coming first, Cooke needs to be banned from the league. What he has done is worse than what McSorely did and McSorely was suspended indefinitely after the Brashear incident.
If the NHL really wanted to set a tone for concussion prevention and player safety coming first, Cooke needs to be banned from the league. What he has done is worse than what McSorely did and McSorely was suspended indefinitely after the Brashear incident.
03-20-2011, 06:23 PM
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Keith is the one that started this mess... Cooke hasn't been the same since!! I blame you and Keith..... Black label you can see where he learned this trick. Blame Yummy!
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5XiTS8NjNao" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I blame you and Keith..... Black label you can see where he learned this trick. Blame Yummy!<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5XiTS8NjNao" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Messed up...but, it was retaliation from Keith to Cooke's hit earlier. I would not be surprised if in the game itself, Cooke was also laying on hits to other Hawks that led to Keith doing what he did.
Keith is not a dirty player.
03-20-2011, 06:30 PM
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Thought my sarcasm was thick on that one. I'll use red text next time..
03-21-2011, 03:41 PM
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03-21-2011, 03:44 PM
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03-21-2011, 05:12 PM
chips and smokes, lets go
03-21-2011, 05:20 PM
03-21-2011, 05:48 PM
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Good sentencing on Cooke...although, I think he should be out for the ENTIRE playoffs considering he is a repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat-does-not-learn offender.
And I expect the Pens to also throw in some punishment given Super Mario's condemnation about the Isles...
And I expect the Pens to also throw in some punishment given Super Mario's condemnation about the Isles...
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03-21-2011, 05:54 PM
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Over/under to when Cooke sends another flying elbow at someone's head when he returns: 5 games. 
03-21-2011, 06:02 PM
Good sentencing on Cooke...although, I think he should be out for the ENTIRE playoffs considering he is a repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat-does-not-learn offender.
And I expect the Pens to also throw in some punishment given Super Mario's condemnation about the Isles...
And I expect the Pens to also throw in some punishment given Super Mario's condemnation about the Isles...
03-21-2011, 06:53 PM
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The hit wasn't that bad. McDonagh was backing up after his pass and Cooke wanted to finish his check... Didn't get there in time so he tried to just follow through. If he hit him properly he would've got him in the mid section with his forearm and followed through by pushing up. But he completely missed with McDonagh moving back so it ended up being an elbow.
I don't disagree with the suspension though. I think his hit from behind on Tyutin was worse.
I don't disagree with the suspension though. I think his hit from behind on Tyutin was worse.
03-21-2011, 07:57 PM
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The hit wasn't that bad. McDonagh was backing up after his pass and Cooke wanted to finish his check... Didn't get there in time so he tried to just follow through. If he hit him properly he would've got him in the mid section with his forearm and followed through by pushing up. But he completely missed with McDonagh moving back so it ended up being an elbow.
I don't disagree with the suspension though. I think his hit from behind on Tyutin was worse.
I don't disagree with the suspension though. I think his hit from behind on Tyutin was worse.
I disagree. The image below clearly show him lifting his elbow and leading with it. It's totally BS and fucked up IMO. I would've suspended him for year and playoffs. Whether McDonagh backs up or not it's a moot point IMO.
03-21-2011, 08:17 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lmn2B0TuF8
Watch the last angle from Cookes view. Even in slow motion it's a fast play and he barely misses Mcdonaghs shoulder. I don't disagree that it's an elbow and that it should be suspended. I'm just saying it doesn't really look like he went out to elbow him. It's like high sticking someone in the face because you missed your stick lift.
Maybe you could compare it to football. If you miss your tackle, you kinda just try to get your hands on anything. Just sayyyyin.... It's not as bad as it looks.
Watch the last angle from Cookes view. Even in slow motion it's a fast play and he barely misses Mcdonaghs shoulder. I don't disagree that it's an elbow and that it should be suspended. I'm just saying it doesn't really look like he went out to elbow him. It's like high sticking someone in the face because you missed your stick lift.
Maybe you could compare it to football. If you miss your tackle, you kinda just try to get your hands on anything. Just sayyyyin.... It's not as bad as it looks.
03-21-2011, 08:30 PM
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100% agree. I would have liked to see the league take a serious stance and suspend him indefinitely but if they had shut him down for the year I would have been satisfied. Still glad that they took it into the playoffs so hopefully his team mates will get pissed at him.
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03-21-2011, 08:33 PM
If this had been Cooke's FIRST offense you might have an argument. Doesn't matter how is looks, it's contact with the head from a FIVE time offender.
03-21-2011, 08:45 PM
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Which is why Chara with no history gets nothing for the Pacioretty incident and Cooke gets 14-17 for this. Anyone who believes Cooke wasn't trying to deliver an elbow to the head doesn't watch much hockey.
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03-21-2011, 08:56 PM
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I dunno... I watch/play hockey every day. I'm a goalie though so maybe it's different hahaha. I just see it as a missed check with an elbow follow through which isn't uncommon. I didn't consider Cookes history when I said what I said. Kneeing happens a lot when people dodge a hit... Just trying to let people see it from a different point of view.
Kind of like McDonaghs point of view too...
Kind of like McDonaghs point of view too...
"I didn't see him coming. I know it hurt, that's for sure," McDonagh told the Canadian Press. "I would hope it wasn't his intent. It's a tight game. I'm sure he's not trying to get his team a five-minute penalty. He'd probably just trying to finish his check and just caught me wrong."
03-21-2011, 09:20 PM
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McDonagh didn't have the luxury of a replay. Watching every replay I don't see anything that even resembles a hockey play. In the image I posted you can clearly see an elbow to the face, if he was bracing himself for the boards his elbow would've been at the same height the whole time. And a knee to knee is typically because the knee is already out. Not someone extending out their leg/knee at the last minute like Cooke did. It's the the elbow extending that's what I consider intent. But that's my point of view.
03-21-2011, 09:36 PM
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Here's what I see - He stops skating just outside the referee circle and extends everything he's got to reach him....Legs and arms. He didn't reach there in time. So he wants to get whatever he can on him and it happens to be the elbow. He's just inches away from McDonaghs shoulder/arms.
If it were one of the more respectful/non instigator player they wouldn't finish their check. And if they did they'd probably just give them a rub out check instead of really finishing. He extends his arms/elbow because he wants to push him into the boards instead of just riding him into it.
I'm a big Lundqvist fan... Which makes me a Rangers fan. So it's not like I'm a Cooke/pens fan. Not biased... Trying to look at it neutrally. The gif you've got makes it look like 100% he's out to elbow him in the face though haha. But from Cookes angle it looks, to me, like a missed check.
If it were one of the more respectful/non instigator player they wouldn't finish their check. And if they did they'd probably just give them a rub out check instead of really finishing. He extends his arms/elbow because he wants to push him into the boards instead of just riding him into it.
I'm a big Lundqvist fan... Which makes me a Rangers fan. So it's not like I'm a Cooke/pens fan. Not biased... Trying to look at it neutrally. The gif you've got makes it look like 100% he's out to elbow him in the face though haha. But from Cookes angle it looks, to me, like a missed check.
03-21-2011, 09:41 PM
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That was just a PC answer. Kneeing does happen accidentally as does high sticking but when someone has been involved in the giving side of these situations repeatedly, it's not accidental anymore. Personally, I think Cooke looks for these situations and intentionally tries to deliver the kill shot.
Savard hit......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-I5m4f0ZXA
McDonagh hit....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O355LBydUiY
Both times he swoops in from the blindside and intentionally raises his elbow to the head after the puck was gone. It's no mystery here that the headshot rule came as a result of there not being a clear rule that said what Cooke did to Savard was illegal. So what did he learn from that? Apparently nothing because he did the same thing again.
This is the guy you're defending, he's what's dangerous in the league beyond what is acceptable in Hockey. How many elbows and knees do you want to see? I love a devastating check but the problem with Cooke is that it's always something cheap that drops the other guy, it's never because he's tougher or stronger than the opposition. Here he is in all his glory and this doesn't even cover this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waePHWjVGY
Savard hit......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-I5m4f0ZXA
McDonagh hit....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O355LBydUiY
Both times he swoops in from the blindside and intentionally raises his elbow to the head after the puck was gone. It's no mystery here that the headshot rule came as a result of there not being a clear rule that said what Cooke did to Savard was illegal. So what did he learn from that? Apparently nothing because he did the same thing again.
This is the guy you're defending, he's what's dangerous in the league beyond what is acceptable in Hockey. How many elbows and knees do you want to see? I love a devastating check but the problem with Cooke is that it's always something cheap that drops the other guy, it's never because he's tougher or stronger than the opposition. Here he is in all his glory and this doesn't even cover this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waePHWjVGY
03-21-2011, 10:19 PM
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I'm not defending Cooke or his history. Just looking at the hit and showing you different ways of viewing it. And how it's not such a blatant elbow as people make it seem. Besidesssss.... McDonagh shouldn't have been admiring his pass 
Sorry that Cooke has pretty much ended Savards career. But Scott Stevens did the same thing to Lindros...
http://www.ff-press.com/nhl-fines-sc...ever-made.html
Sorry that Cooke has pretty much ended Savards career. But Scott Stevens did the same thing to Lindros...
http://www.ff-press.com/nhl-fines-sc...ever-made.html
03-22-2011, 08:52 AM
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There's just not a place for this crap in the game. I still believe in a multiplier if the league could be freakin consistent for once. Take what Cooke has done and say it's a standard elbow to head of 7 games. Multiply that x5(offender) and he should get 35 games. The dirty players end up being useless to teams.
But sadly the severity of the suspension typically depends on the injury of the other player. :shakehead