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Old 06-25-2014 | 11:35 AM
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Old 06-25-2014 | 02:09 PM
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7 year contract for Gaborik, wow
Old 06-25-2014 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
7 year contract for Gaborik, wow
Deano am God.
Old 06-25-2014 | 02:38 PM
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He didn't win GM of the year though, it's a conspiracy!
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Old 06-25-2014 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL


He didn't win GM of the year though, it's a conspiracy!
Wait...so, in our last two posts...are we finally right on something?!?!?!?!??






...or are we still always wrong.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 03:00 PM
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Still wrong

Only moog can say for sure
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Old 06-25-2014 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Deano am God.
Delano/Moog is indeed a God.

Gaborik deal nothing short of wizardry

This is how to win a Stanley Cup and immediately start dreaming of another one.

You watch Marian Gaborik score 14 goals during a remarkable playoff run and then sign him to a cap-friendly contract just days before unrestricted free agency. The seven-year, $34.125-million deal that Los Angeles Kings general manager Dean Lombardi reached with the Slovak on Wednesday was nothing short of wizardry.

Sure, it was met with a predictable amount of snark and sarcasm in the Twitterverse, but it’s important to step back here and look at the big picture.

Gaborik will now carry a cap hit of just $4.875-million per season. That is Ryane Clowe, Martin Erat and Stephen Weiss territory. Not only is it a manageable number in real time, but it won’t take very long before it lands somewhere around the NHL average with the cap expected to soar past $80-million in the next few years.

Beyond that, the Kings have adopted a win-now mentality and there’s no question that having Gaborik around helps those ambitions. He was reborn after being acquired at the trade deadline from Columbus and is already hooked on the taste of success after winning his first Stanley Cup.

The 32-year-old had seen neighbours Zdeno Chara and Marian Hossa bring the trophy back to Trencin, Slovakia in recent years and now gets his chance to do the same. His summer could also have included an even bigger contract elsewhere, but Gaborik and agent Ron Salcer wrapped up negotiations on this deal before even entertaining offers from other teams.

There is no doubt about where his priorities lie right now.

“The No. 1 thing was winning a Cup and just having a chance year after year,” Gaborik explained on a conference call. “It made a lot of sense for me. I know I could have made more money if I would have gone to UFA, but it wasn’t about money.

“I wanted to stay here and be part of a great team.”

No deal should be consummated without at least some consideration about what might happen if things go wrong and Lombardi has done that here. For starters, Gaborik didn’t receive a no-trade clause — leaving Los Angeles as the only team in the entire league that doesn’t have one on the books.

The importance of every new contract on a team’s internal structure can’t be overstated. For example, the main point of criticism the Edmonton Oilers received after giving defenceman Nikita Nikitin a two -year, $9-million deal on Wednesday morning was that it now sets the bar awfully high for future negotiations. That trend can certainly be observed with the second contracts given to Edmonton’s top draft picks in recent years.

But I digress.

What helped the new Gaborik contract come in at a manageable cap number was its structure. He’ll take home $6.075-million for the first three seasons before seeing his pay drop each of the following four. Since the deal was signed under the new collective bargaining agreement, the Kings won’t be subject to cap recapture penalties if he retires early.

This is about as good as it gets for a star player that carries leverage into a contract negotiation. Remember that Gaborik is currently sixth among active NHL players with .43 goals per game during his career, trailing only Alex Ovechkin, Steven Stamkos, Sidney Crosby, Jaromir Jagr and Evgeni Malkin.

There is no way he would have signed this type of deal if Los Angeles didn’t make such a strong impression on him over the last few months.

“All along I wanted to stay here and the organization knew it, the players knew it … my agent knew it,” said Gaborik. “Hopefully we can just keep this train rolling.”

The message Lombardi has emphatically sent to the hockey world during the last week is that he believes it can.

The general manager had a heart-to-heart with Mike Richards following the season and elected not to use a buyout on him even though he has six years remaining at a cap hit of $5.75-million per. He also signed depth defenceman Matt Greene to a four-year, $10-million deal.

Now he has Gaborik locked up and has potentially even left himself enough cap space to take care of Dwight King (RFA) and Willie Mitchell (UFA) — the only two members of the recent championship run without contracts.

Basically, the band is being kept together for the foreseeable future. This team has a chance to become a dynasty.

As much as some might worry about Gaborik’s injury history or age — he’ll be 39 when the extension is up — the player himself acknowledged that a long-term deal doesn’t come with complete security.

“You can sign for 10 years or however long and you still can get traded,” said Gaborik. “I was signed for five years (by the New York Rangers) and I got traded and then I got traded again. Any player can get traded.

“Hopefully, we can keep going and hopefully I’ll stay healthy and contribute and play well.”

If that doesn’t happen, Lombardi has left himself some escape hatches. Don’t overlook how tough that is to do with pending UFA’s in this marketplace.



Sure, it was met with a predictable amount of snark and sarcasm in the Twitterverse.
Who knew Yumchah was so closely followed by hockey media.
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Old 06-25-2014 | 09:07 PM
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The hockey media follow me cuz I'm always wrong. So, they just go with the opposite of what I say.
Old 06-26-2014 | 09:24 AM
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Old 06-26-2014 | 02:01 PM
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heyyyyy we finally got a coach!
Old 06-26-2014 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rounder
heyyyyy we finally got a coach!
Ever heard of him? Cuz, all of us are like...who?!?




But, initial reports from what I read about Johnston is that he should be a good fit.
Old 06-26-2014 | 03:13 PM
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He has quite an impressive resume, hopefully him and Tock bring some needed toughness and discipline to the team.
Old 06-26-2014 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
He has quite an impressive resume, hopefully him and Tock bring some needed toughness and discipline to the team.
Personally, I don't get the impression the Pens are not "tough". They do have a history of bad hits (which has been debated/trolled enough already) though...and so, I would think the discipline aspect is the priority. I don't think anyone has ever said the Pens were soft.

Although, IMO, I still think a player like Orpik should drop his gloves if duty calls if he makes a questionable/gray-area hit.
Old 06-26-2014 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
7 year contract for Gaborik, wow
Can we get a poll for how many of the 7 years he is injured?
I'm being charitable at 2.5.
Old 06-26-2014 | 09:05 PM
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Can we get a poll for how many of the 7 years he is injured?
I'm being charitable at 2.5.
Stop it, you hater. Deano is a genius and it's a great signing. So, worship it.

Gosh. Why do you have to be like that?
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Old 06-26-2014 | 09:12 PM
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Stop it, you hater. Deano is a genius and it's a great signing. So, worship it.

Gosh. Why do you have to be like that?
2 examples, him while a Ranger & Alexi Kovalev Although seeing as M.G. is no longer a Ranger it is possible he will be injury free. Kovalev mostly was.
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Personally, I don't get the impression the Pens are not "tough". They do have a history of bad hits (which has been debated/trolled enough already) though...and so, I would think the discipline aspect is the priority. I don't think anyone has ever said the Pens were soft.

Although, IMO, I still think a player like Orpik should drop his gloves if duty calls if he makes a questionable/gray-area hit.
Moogy says the Pens are soft all the time, so obviously we're wrong yummy. And they allowed their captain to be bludgeoned in the back of the head for 16 games straight in the playoffs, I'd call that soft, and lacking accountability.
Old 06-27-2014 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
Moogy says the Pens are soft all the time, so obviously we're wrong yummy. And they allowed their captain to be bludgeoned in the back of the head for 16 games straight in the playoffs, I'd call that soft, and lacking accountability.
Huge grey area for the team...if the Pens retaliated, it would've been what happened against the Flyers...and then people would say that Pittsburgh played right into the other team's hands. Undisciplined. In the playoffs, it's always the second hit that gets called. So, in some ways, the Pens were disciplined this year and turned the other cheek...

Hard to plan for this though. We all know the other teams' strategies against the Pens. Hit and hit and hit Sid.
Old 06-27-2014 | 09:17 AM
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There's a difference between standing up for your captain or superstar and getting thrown off your game ala the Flyers

"Put down the bong" - Moog
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I'm not talking about finishing your checks, I'm talking about repeated crosschecks to the back of the head or constant flying elbows to the back of the dome, and not even a look at the parties doing it, that is just spineless and soft
Old 06-27-2014 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
I'm not talking about finishing your checks, I'm talking about repeated crosschecks to the back of the head or constant flying elbows to the back of the dome, and not even a look at the parties doing it, that is just spineless and soft
Yeah, like I said, this is such a gray area in hockey. I don't really know what to suggest in regards to strategy for your team.

In the regular season, the Pens are often more apt to retaliate to that and well, you know what happens...but, in the playoffs, where every play/call is huge, well, do they risk that and skate up to the other team and retaliate? If yes, what is the action? And will the refs let it slide?

And if not, if it is a PK situation because a Pen got whistled for protecting Sid, is it a good penalty to take even if the other team may score or gain momentum from the PP?




Anyhow, where's Moog? I need his answers on this.
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Yeah, like I said, this is such a gray area in hockey. I don't really know what to suggest in regards to strategy for your team.
There's a tough as nails character guy available, he never lets shit go when it comes to protecting his team mates, he's won the stanley cup 2 times, his contract requirements won't put you in cap jail and the pens will be too foolish to hire him because they don't understand his value because they are soft as an organization.
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Or they don't think jumping someone from behind is the right thing to do
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Kesler is a Duck: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455848
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Ryan Kesler's our guy, he will stay our guy, we have no interest in moving him
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A GM is not doing his job if he's not lying.
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If Kesler can stay healthy, he's a good pickup for the Ducks who have injected youth nicely into that line-up.
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Agreed, it's a good trade for both sides
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Agreed, it's a good trade for both sides
You know that we're both wrong with our opinions, right? Dead wrong. So ever ever wrong.
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Canucks keep active. Garrison sent to T-Bay: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455843
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Wow, it's a blue light special in Vancouver, everything must go!
Old 06-27-2014 | 02:48 PM
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Wow, it's a blue light special in Vancouver, everything must go!
Except the Sisters. Cuz, well...no one wants the Sisters.
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Old 06-27-2014 | 03:59 PM
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The cap is set at $69M...Tampa, SJ, LA, Chicago, Boston, and Philly are all up right against it.

Probably alot lower than what GMs had hoped. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
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Wow, it's a blue light special in Vancouver, everything must go!
Attention Canuckmart shoppers!!
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Or they don't think jumping someone from behind is the right thing to do
They seem to be OK with knees to the head

That's why they are soft, that's why the back of Crosbys head is fair game. No one is willing to do what must be done even if it's not popular, they only know cheap shots.
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