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04-01-2014, 02:21 PM
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So, you answer one wrong by again, pointing at another player from another team. Did Kronwall take Toews' head off on Sunday?
This is so ridiculous. That's like me telling someone stealing is bad and that person says, "but, Bob over there stole!"
04-01-2014, 02:25 PM
Trolling Canuckistan
Ftr, I've hated the pengoons since Ulf Samuelson, but he played before 2006 so pengoon fans don't know who he is.
04-01-2014, 02:33 PM
2008 Acura TL
if you are arguing, you have to be consistent. you can't point at orpik and say "he throws his weight around but doesn't answer the bell" and in the same breath point at another player who throws worse hits but has zero fighting majors, and say everything's ok with that guy cuz he's not a Penguin. c'mon.
04-01-2014, 02:34 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
Sigh. This is so great, Rounder.
So, you answer one wrong by again, pointing at another player from another team. Did Kronwall take Toews' head off on Sunday?
This is so ridiculous. That's like me telling someone stealing is bad and that person says, "but, Bob over there stole!"
So, you answer one wrong by again, pointing at another player from another team. Did Kronwall take Toews' head off on Sunday?
This is so ridiculous. That's like me telling someone stealing is bad and that person says, "but, Bob over there stole!"
04-01-2014, 02:36 PM
Trolling Canuckistan
When it aren't throwing dirty or even borderline hits, there's not much to defend yourself for.
When the bell rings for Orpik, he plays deaf.
04-01-2014, 02:38 PM
2008 Acura TL
google "kronwall leaving feet" and see how many instances there are. you guys are just hell bent on picking on penguins. why are we still harping on a clean, non-penalized, non-suspendable hit?? oh wait because it's a "pengoon".
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04-01-2014, 02:54 PM
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Torres, the low-life idiot that he is, at least fought Mayers the day he his suspension was lifted to answer for his hit on Hossa.
Easy-peasy. No more problems...at least it is "settled" between the Hawks and Torres. That's how it is done.
And for you Pens guys, let me be clear, this is JUST a discussion...so, please don't take my opinion/thoughts of your players PERSONALLY. Cool?
Easy-peasy. No more problems...at least it is "settled" between the Hawks and Torres. That's how it is done.
And for you Pens guys, let me be clear, this is JUST a discussion...so, please don't take my opinion/thoughts of your players PERSONALLY. Cool?
04-01-2014, 03:00 PM
2008 Acura TL
I don't remember any of the hawks challenging orpik... is that because maybe they realize it was a clean check? or are they just the "classier" organization as some people put it.
04-01-2014, 03:00 PM
Trolling Canuckistan
http://www.pensburgh.com/2013/12/9/5...pensions-fines
There's been a lot of talk lately about dirty play and the NHL and all of that, and some fans (mainly from opposing teams) talk about how the Pens are a dirty team and all that. Well, are the Pens an unusually dirty team? Let's see where they stand when it comes to suspensions.
As a source of my data I'm using http://nhlsuspensions.com. It appears they are correct and it has good data for 2009 until last season. Unfortunately it does not have this season on it (or at least hasn't been updated in a couple months), so I'm going to just go on previous seasons. Granted I realize this removes a suspension for the Pens, but it removes quite a few suspensions as well, so I think it's fair. The data will go from the 2009-2010 season until last season.
Since 2009, the Pittsburgh Penguins have been suspended 11 times, which puts them tied for 2nd in the most suspensions in the NHL, behind the Flyers (12) and tied with Phoenix. The Canucks and Ducks are tied for 4th at 8, and the Capitals and Blackhawks are tied for 6th at 7.
For number of games you have the Coyotes at 1st with 44 games, Flyers and Pens tied for 2nd at 37 and the Ducks at 4th with 32 games.
So where have these games come from? Well obviously we all know where the lion's share for the Pens came from... Matt Cooke. Cooke had 3 suspensions for 16 total games. Eric Godard got 10 games for leaving the bench to protect Brent Johnson in the infamous Islanders game. The other lengthy suspensions were Asham for a cross check against Schenn, Engelland for a hit to the head and Letang for a boarding penalty.
During this time period, the players with the most amount of games suspended are Raffi Torres at 35 games (PHX), James Wisniewski at 24 games (ANA, CBJ, NYI), Trevor Gillies with 19 games (NYI), and Matt Cooke with 16 (PGH).
So obviously the Pens are at the top of the list when it comes to suspensions... For what it's worth, the Godard suspension was well worth it... I mean seriously, if you're going to get suspended, let it be for protecting (as in actually stopping them from getting attacked).
It should be worth noting that the Pens took a stand on Cooke and forced him to change his game, and since then, Cooke has been pretty much a model citizen. Of the list of the Pens, ONLY Cooke has been suspended more than once (well Neal has now, but that's not in the data model).
From just browsing the list, there are quite a few ex and current Pens who have been suspended with other teams. The ones that immediately jump out at me include Jarkko Ruutu while with the Ducks 1 game for a late hit, Colby Armstrong with Atlanta for 2 games for an elbow to the head, TK's favorite Tom Kostopoulos, 6 games for a hit to the head while with Calgary, James Neal 2 games for hit from behind while with Dallas, Georges Laraque 5 games for kneeing with the Habs, PL3, 1 game for instigator in the last 5 minutes while with NJ, and 5 games for boarding while with Calgary, and Harry Z 4 games for charging while with the Flyers
As a source of my data I'm using http://nhlsuspensions.com. It appears they are correct and it has good data for 2009 until last season. Unfortunately it does not have this season on it (or at least hasn't been updated in a couple months), so I'm going to just go on previous seasons. Granted I realize this removes a suspension for the Pens, but it removes quite a few suspensions as well, so I think it's fair. The data will go from the 2009-2010 season until last season.
Since 2009, the Pittsburgh Penguins have been suspended 11 times, which puts them tied for 2nd in the most suspensions in the NHL, behind the Flyers (12) and tied with Phoenix. The Canucks and Ducks are tied for 4th at 8, and the Capitals and Blackhawks are tied for 6th at 7.
For number of games you have the Coyotes at 1st with 44 games, Flyers and Pens tied for 2nd at 37 and the Ducks at 4th with 32 games.
So where have these games come from? Well obviously we all know where the lion's share for the Pens came from... Matt Cooke. Cooke had 3 suspensions for 16 total games. Eric Godard got 10 games for leaving the bench to protect Brent Johnson in the infamous Islanders game. The other lengthy suspensions were Asham for a cross check against Schenn, Engelland for a hit to the head and Letang for a boarding penalty.
During this time period, the players with the most amount of games suspended are Raffi Torres at 35 games (PHX), James Wisniewski at 24 games (ANA, CBJ, NYI), Trevor Gillies with 19 games (NYI), and Matt Cooke with 16 (PGH).
So obviously the Pens are at the top of the list when it comes to suspensions... For what it's worth, the Godard suspension was well worth it... I mean seriously, if you're going to get suspended, let it be for protecting (as in actually stopping them from getting attacked).
It should be worth noting that the Pens took a stand on Cooke and forced him to change his game, and since then, Cooke has been pretty much a model citizen. Of the list of the Pens, ONLY Cooke has been suspended more than once (well Neal has now, but that's not in the data model).
From just browsing the list, there are quite a few ex and current Pens who have been suspended with other teams. The ones that immediately jump out at me include Jarkko Ruutu while with the Ducks 1 game for a late hit, Colby Armstrong with Atlanta for 2 games for an elbow to the head, TK's favorite Tom Kostopoulos, 6 games for a hit to the head while with Calgary, James Neal 2 games for hit from behind while with Dallas, Georges Laraque 5 games for kneeing with the Habs, PL3, 1 game for instigator in the last 5 minutes while with NJ, and 5 games for boarding while with Calgary, and Harry Z 4 games for charging while with the Flyers
04-01-2014, 03:04 PM
Trolling Canuckistan
^^^
Of course that's from a website called "pensburgh" so they're obviously just jealous haters with an anti pengoon agenda.
Of course that's from a website called "pensburgh" so they're obviously just jealous haters with an anti pengoon agenda.
04-01-2014, 03:06 PM
Trolling Canuckistan
04-01-2014, 03:06 PM
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Culturally, they typically do not settle scores until the game after...it depends. As well, they were playing from behind. So, at that point, they were not going to jeopardize their chances for 2 points.
Also, I am pretty sure they know Orpik would not have dropped the gloves.
04-01-2014, 03:08 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
Weaksauce move on your part to blame other players in the league to somehow prove you point on why the Pengoons are or are not dirty cheap shot artists.
Try to stay on the topic and prove your point.....if you have one.
04-01-2014, 03:11 PM
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So, regardless of Kronwall's play...we're saying that just because a Pink Thing player does it, it means it is okay.
Alrighty then. Got it. So, if the Wings decide to all take out the knees of players in games, it means it is okay to do it? Sweet!
Alrighty then. Got it. So, if the Wings decide to all take out the knees of players in games, it means it is okay to do it? Sweet!
04-01-2014, 03:11 PM
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Like seriously, we're trying to have a logical discussion here right? Right? 
04-01-2014, 03:20 PM
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04-01-2014, 03:25 PM
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Who...? If you're saying it was black label, he didn't...but, he did say the same as any of us: It's sure easy to see what set Thornton off. If Orpik just dropped his mitts, and answered for his hit, the stupidity of tackling the guy from behind would never have happened.
Most NHL players know the hockey code: If you lay a big hit, be ready to answer for it. Once you have done so, the other team will consider it water under the bridge. Orpik was stupid for trying to walk away. Doesn't excuse Thornton for tackling him like that...but, believe me, none of the shenanigans of that awful game would've happened if Orpik obligated Thornton.
04-01-2014, 04:47 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
Players are aware of The Code, but they also know that the league despises The Code, and does everything in their power to eliminate The Code.
With that in mind there are some players that do not think they have to honor The Code, and thus will cheapshot with reckless abandon, and never feel like they have to answer the call for their deeds. They skate away, and then when instigated, they turtle to the ice.
Sad thing is many fans have it completely backwards, saying things like a player not being able to handle a "hit" is the "pussyfication" of hockey, when it couldn't be further from the truth.
It's not the "hit" being handled, it's the flip side of that hit, and what is due to the player making the hit.
Unfortunately the league has turned hockey on it's head, and many fans are on board with the league, and they don't/can't understand The Code.
04-01-2014, 04:56 PM
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Yes and no.
Players are aware of The Code, but they also know that the league despises The Code, and does everything in their power to eliminate The Code.
With that in mind there are some players that do not think they have to honor The Code, and thus will cheapshot with reckless abandon, and never feel like they have to answer the call for their deeds. They skate away, and then when instigated, they turtle to the ice.
Sad thing is many fans have it completely backwards, saying things like a player not being able to handle a "hit" is the "pussyfication" of hockey, when it couldn't be further from the truth.
It's not the "hit" being handled, it's the flip side of that hit, and what is due to the player making the hit.
Unfortunately the league has turned hockey on it's head, and many fans are on board with the league, and they don't/can't understand The Code.
Players are aware of The Code, but they also know that the league despises The Code, and does everything in their power to eliminate The Code.
With that in mind there are some players that do not think they have to honor The Code, and thus will cheapshot with reckless abandon, and never feel like they have to answer the call for their deeds. They skate away, and then when instigated, they turtle to the ice.
Sad thing is many fans have it completely backwards, saying things like a player not being able to handle a "hit" is the "pussyfication" of hockey, when it couldn't be further from the truth.
It's not the "hit" being handled, it's the flip side of that hit, and what is due to the player making the hit.
Unfortunately the league has turned hockey on it's head, and many fans are on board with the league, and they don't/can't understand The Code.
But, you agree if Orpik obligated Thornton, the issue would've been more or less settled...? Sure, it doesn't change the fact that Loui was seeing birds circling his head...but, at least it would've prevented more stupidity between the teams, right...?
04-01-2014, 05:07 PM
Trolling Canuckistan
04-01-2014, 05:19 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
......and never feel like they have to answer the call for their deeds. They skate away, and then when instigated, they turtle to the ice.
I think I covered that.
04-01-2014, 08:31 PM
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I'm pretty sure what really happened was this:
dom desperately wanted the spotlight OFF of his former fave team's epic losing streak and coughing away what was once a for-sure playoff spot. So, he hired Orpik to send Toews to another planet to keep us distracted with all this Pengoon talk...!
dom desperately wanted the spotlight OFF of his former fave team's epic losing streak and coughing away what was once a for-sure playoff spot. So, he hired Orpik to send Toews to another planet to keep us distracted with all this Pengoon talk...!
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04-01-2014, 08:37 PM
Trolling Canuckistan
This thread needs new tags, some of these are out of date. Nothing about dom being a traitor to all of Canada, nothing about pengoons, nothing about NHL nudes, nothing about shanabans, nothing about the dominance of Finland or Finlandia.
has been slacking.
has been slacking.
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04-01-2014, 09:00 PM
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04-02-2014, 06:32 AM
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I haven't seen Yumchah this pissed since they cancelled Robotech. 
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04-02-2014, 08:16 AM
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04-02-2014, 01:04 PM
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I'm always happy to discuss hockey, in any fashion, however all I see in the last 3 pages is piling on, foaming at the mouth, hating on the Pens, and insulting people saying they have no credibility for having a differing opinion. Also, I haven't said shit about the term "pengoons" but that's been going on for a good 20 or more pages, and it's old. Whenever this thread gets back to talking about games, and hockey and playoff matchups, I'll be more than happy to talk, but I'm done arguing about hits that the refs and league deem legal.
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Rounder (04-02-2014)
04-02-2014, 02:33 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
Playoff Odds Update:
Detroit Red Wings Playoff Chances
Did not play, playoff odds up 4.5 to 83.7%
Dallas Stars Playoff Chances
Beat Washington 5-0, playoff odds up 14.4 to 74.1%
Toronto Maple Leafs Playoff Chances
Beat Calgary 3-2, playoff odds up 3.9 to 8.5%
Washington Capitals Playoff Chances
Lost to Dallas 0-5, playoff odds down 11.2 to 8%
Detroit Red Wings Playoff Chances
Did not play, playoff odds up 4.5 to 83.7%
Dallas Stars Playoff Chances
Beat Washington 5-0, playoff odds up 14.4 to 74.1%
Toronto Maple Leafs Playoff Chances
Beat Calgary 3-2, playoff odds up 3.9 to 8.5%
Washington Capitals Playoff Chances
Lost to Dallas 0-5, playoff odds down 11.2 to 8%
04-02-2014, 02:36 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
He was looking the other way, so Crosby assumed it was a player....and hence turned the acting up to "11" to try to draw the penalty.
04-02-2014, 02:55 PM
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04-02-2014, 03:32 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
04-02-2014, 03:33 PM
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So, who's getting canned first: Torts or Carlyle?
04-02-2014, 03:35 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
Torts
04-02-2014, 03:38 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
Tuesday's shutout loss to the Dallas Stars was not pretty for the playoff-hopeful Washington Capitals and it got even more tense on Wednesday in a post-practice news conference.
After falling 5-0 on home ice in a game that could have tied them for second in the wild card standings, Washington head coach Adam Oates had some strong words for Capitals' superstar Alex Ovechkin.
"Ovi quit on the play, coming back," said Oates to CSN Washington. "It just goes to show you gotta hustle the whole time. The whole, entire time."
Oates was referring to the Stars' fourth goal where a nonchalant Ovechkin allowed Alex Chaisson to get past him and set up an easy goal by Dustin Jeffrey.
Ovechkin is currently leading the NHL with 48 goals but is last in the league in plus/minus with a minus- 36.
After falling 5-0 on home ice in a game that could have tied them for second in the wild card standings, Washington head coach Adam Oates had some strong words for Capitals' superstar Alex Ovechkin.
"Ovi quit on the play, coming back," said Oates to CSN Washington. "It just goes to show you gotta hustle the whole time. The whole, entire time."
Oates was referring to the Stars' fourth goal where a nonchalant Ovechkin allowed Alex Chaisson to get past him and set up an easy goal by Dustin Jeffrey.
Ovechkin is currently leading the NHL with 48 goals but is last in the league in plus/minus with a minus- 36.
In other shocking news: The sky is blue.
04-02-2014, 03:42 PM
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-36?!??
Okay...wow. Selke Trophy...here he comes.
I did not know that Ovie was -36...WTFBBQ...does he play for the Oilers or something?
Okay...wow. Selke Trophy...here he comes.
I did not know that Ovie was -36...WTFBBQ...does he play for the Oilers or something?