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Old 02-12-2008, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkySD
I haven't read through the entire thread but I have to say this update to the TSX is dissapointing.

It basically seems more like a MMC type of refresh then any substantial upate. Basically the same engine/transmittion options and some silghtly evolved styling.


The exterior and interior are still great IMO - but the on ly way I come back to a TSX from audi is if they get that AWD turbo going.
... except they have to reel me back ALLL the way from my Honda Accord

I still thing the interior will rock, but history tells me the SH-AWD + Turbo might come, but won't come soon (MMC).
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
Yep. The stick shifter is useful. It can help in bad weather or if you're just too lazy to step on the brake in traffic that is moderately slowing down. I use the stick shifter often.

But the paddles? This isn't a n F1 car. What do I need that for. I don't even drive with two hands. Sad thing is they now took away the stick shift option and left us only with the paddles in the new RL. I assume they will do that with the TSX also. Dumb idea in my mind. Now if you want to down shift for some reason, yuo have to first go too the stick, drop it into "shift" mode, then reach up and hit the paddle. That's just great.
Paddle shifters w/ a Honda 5AT are a complete joke.
It's not even a sellable gimmick.
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i don't like the Navi interface with the knob... they should have kept the touch screen interface they have now in the TSX and TL...

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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
yes, why they are releasing the car without the new engine package is beyond me. I agree it's a stupid move. Just add it to the list of missteps. Regarding the rest of the story; we really haven't heard any details on what has been added to the car. Heard a bunch about the Euro but that won't necessarily translate to the TSX. I guess we all should be patient until we get the full story in a few weeks. Who knows, maybe they will surprise everyone and announce the optional engine package as well.
very true.
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There is clearly a market for this car. The styling is close enough to the 04-08 that it shouldn't turn many away.
Sure, there is a market for the car, but I don't see any compelling reason to buy a 09. The 04-08 TSX looks A LOT better then the 09 IMHO... They better have some killer drivetrain choices planned, 'cause the 09 isn't going to sell itself on looks alone

Acura is really disappointing in the design area as of late
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
It's not even a sellable gimmick.

You are overestimated the intelligence of the average car buyer.
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From the TSX thread.

Originally Posted by ninjamyst
For all those whiners out there complaining about Acura or the new TSX, no one will be missing you. The new TSX looks good. It's more aggressive, just a little bigger but not too big, and definitely an improvement over the 1st gen. I can't wait till Acura releases updated picture of the TSX interior (the current pics are for the Accord and we all know Acura interior will be more refined) and engine info. I don't understand what people are complaining about.

Where's RWD? - HELLOOOO....this is Honda. When have they ever offered RWD? SH-AWD is good enough for me. I will even settle for FWD and laugh at all those BMWs slamming into curbs in the snow. Not everyone and their mother want RWD. Most consumers can't tell the difference between RWD and FWD nor do they care. And people want AWD for safety reasons.

The grill is ugly - That's a matter of taste, and I think the grill looks good. Don't diss it till you see it in person. It will grow on you. People alway complain Honda is conversative and blend. But when they try to do something different, you b*tch anyways. Gosh, nothing is enough for you people.

I will keep my 04/05 - my 06 is already better than yours. Sorry. You can say whatever you want to make yourself feel better.

One last point. The TSX is Acura's ENTRY LEVEL sedan. You can't expect them to pack all the goodies in it. This thread is filled with ungrateful people that deserve to waste their money on BMWs.

Rant over.

You guys are just ungrateful. Be happy Honda still even makes cars and allows you to buy them.

Good to see that the Honda fanboy is still alive and well on AcuraZine.
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Sure, there is a market for the car, but I don't see any compelling reason to buy a 09. The 04-08 TSX looks A LOT better then the 09 IMHO... They better have some killer drivetrain choices planned, 'cause the 09 isn't going to sell itself on looks alone

Acura is really disappointing in the design area as of late

No compelling reason for an 04-08 owner to upgrade, yes but nothing stopping it from selling 2-4K per month to new buyers either.

An AWD Type S with some power is what they need for the enthusiast. I honestly think they'll deliver it at some point.

Too bad I'll be slamming a 335 into a curb when it happens.
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Too bad I'll be slamming a 335 into a curb when it happens.

That was dick

Why ya gotta make fun of me. booooo
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You know what... I'm in the same boat as Jedimindtricks.

I like the new TSX alot; and as I was hoping, it appears like it'll look like the euro accord.

Inside and outside, it looks good.

With that being said, I'm still disappointed (just a little bit); was hoping that the RDX drive train would be in there, and that there would be a decent boost in horsepower.

IF anything, Acura seems to be offering a Type-S version 4-5 years after the debut of a new vehicle; usually the Type-S is offered in the final two years of production of a vehicle.

And as for the comment that not everyone wants RWD; I concur. I would never get my girlfriend a RWD car as she's a terrible driver as is; I can only imagine how much worse it would be if she had a high powered RWD car... esp on those few rainy days here in Orange County.

The New TSX looks like a good car for my GF. Might not be for the avid driving enthusiast, but FWD cars can still be fun to drive, a la RSX-S or GTI.
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my gf had an is300 living in denver. she got around just fine with a good set of snow tires, never an accident. she isnt the best driver either ( had to take driving test 3 times ) so those of you making excuses are pussies
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
my gf had an is300 living in denver. she got around just fine with a good set of snow tires, never an accident. she isnt the best driver either ( had to take driving test 3 times ) so those of you making excuses are pussies
Yeah? Good for her.

Bet she'd have a harder time driving here in California where there are a ton of cars on the road at all times and also where traffic on avg is 20 mph over the speed limit.

And making excuses for what; the possibility that maybe not everyone wants RWD? Then guess I'm a pussy, but the truth still remains, not everyone wants RWD. I want RWD, but my GF doesn't.
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we go to california 4-5 times a year, she handles california traffic just fine.

im just sayin, if you discount a car just because its RWD thats a stupid reason. if you like a FWD/AWD car better overall then thats fine. lots of people get into accidents that drive FWD/AWD cars too.
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Originally Posted by dom
You are overestimated the intelligence of the average Acura car buyer.
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Originally Posted by BraveDemon
Yeah? Good for her.

Bet she'd have a harder time driving here in California where there are a ton of cars on the road at all times and also where traffic on avg is 20 mph over the speed limit.

And making excuses for what; the possibility that maybe not everyone wants RWD? Then guess I'm a pussy, but the truth still remains, not everyone wants RWD. I want RWD, but my GF doesn't.
Are you nuts?!?!
When it rains in SoCal people drive 20 miles below the speed limit!!!
It's as if when water falls from the sky, that's the signal to hit the brakes.

It takes FOREVER to get anywhere in SoCal when it rains.

Your GF is just a poor driver.
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It should be like this :
FWD lovers go to Honda, RWD/AWD lovers go to Acura.
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Originally Posted by BraveDemon
I would never get my girlfriend a RWD car as she's a terrible driver as is; I can only imagine how much worse it would be if she had a high powered RWD car... esp on those few rainy days here in Orange County.

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Did you really just say that?


Maybe we are just putting Acura on the pedestal and should just accept that they are in a market of not selling a sports orientated car.

They offer luxury features on an economical chassis. Theres a good market for that, hence why they do sell. Just not to car enthusiast like us. They do make kick ass daily drivers.

How come we never compare Acura to Saab or Volvo?
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How come we never compare Acura to Saab or Volvo?
I guess nobody like to compare with those at the bottom of the luxo heap.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

How come we never compare Acura to Saab or Volvo?
good question...but now we really don't have much of a choice. there isn't any real sport left in the acura line...save the TL type-s, which is still FWD... oh well i'll just keep saving my yen for a bmw
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I guess nobody like to compare with those at the bottom of the luxo heap.
at least volvos are impressing lately.
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at least volvos are impressing lately.
Volume wise, it's like David and the Goliath against BMW and Mercedes, which is why at the bottom of the luxo heap.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Are you nuts?!?!
When it rains in SoCal people drive 20 miles below the speed limit!!!
It's as if when water falls from the sky, that's the signal to hit the brakes.

It takes FOREVER to get anywhere in SoCal when it rains.

Your GF is just a poor driver.
Depends on where you are. Traffic anywhere on the 57 and 405 near Irvine is never slow; I've always been able to go at least the speed limit unless it was absolutley pouring... which is rarely the case. And yes I drive a ton everyday: from O.C. to Los Angeles Courts where I clerk for the LA D.A.'s office, and I can testify that my average speed on the 405 in the first lane is at least 80... 75 if it's wet.

And I should rephrase about my GF being a terrible driver: she's been in a total of 4 accidents, all four not being her fault. 2 of them were due to spin outs in wet conditions. She used to have a MX5. One rainy day on the 405, some jackass near John Wayne airport decides to cut her off suddenly, and she had to brake and swerve left to avoid him. She lost control of the car and went into a complete spin and couldn't regain control of the car. Hit the center divider, damage to the car was light, but needless to say shes decided never to get RWD again. The other time, someone ran a red when it was wet, she slammed her brakes, car started slipping to the right, she couldn't get out of the spin yet again and slid into the curb. She went out and got herself a GTI the next day after that second accident - she likes fast cars, but seems to damage them.

There are alot of really idiotic drivers here in So Cal; more so I believe than anywhere else (probably because of the sheer volume of cars we have on the road). As a result, my GF (and many others like her) have to deal with them on the road; she's a very safe and slow driver, just when pitted against So Cal drivers, she tends to run into some bad luck Adding RWD to that equation doesn't seem to help.

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Did you really just say that?
Indeed I did. But back on topic.

Originally Posted by Infamous425
we go to california 4-5 times a year, she handles california traffic just fine.

im just sayin, if you discount a car just because its RWD thats a stupid reason. if you like a FWD/AWD car better overall then thats fine. lots of people get into accidents that drive FWD/AWD cars too.
Well. As far as I'm concerned Acura is a "discount luxury brand." The TSX technically is in the same size class as a 3 series, but costs tons less because it doesn't have as much to offer. Lets face it, I've said it a dozen times before, but true Luxury Competitors offer RWD and usually more than one engine to choose from. And if the TSX came in AWD/RWD, I'm sure it'll hit an upwards of $35k to $40k; in which case everyone would start saying "OMG... an Acura TSX for $40k? Who'd buy that." I would... but the majority of the public just isn't ready to pay that much for an entry level Acura.

Once my GF and I both graduate from Law School this May, we're going to trade in our cars and the plan is to get something more professional. Sadly, I won't be looking at an Acura, but my GF seems to be liking the new TSX and the new Evo alot. She thinks she'll look more professional in a TSX, I'd much rather her get the Evo. As for myself, I'm with everyone else: BMW, Audi or Hyundai if their Genesis Coupe is as sweet as that orange concept. Or maybe I'll jump back to the STi camp... only time will tell.
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All-New 2009 TSX to Debut at New York International Auto Show
The second-generation Acura TSX is designed to appeal to young professionals with its keen-edge styling, athletic performance and advanced electronic features

TORRANCE, Calif., U.S.A., February 11, 2008– Designed and engineered to reaffirm its place as a desirable and affordable entry point for entry-premium buyers, the all-new second-generation 2009 TSX is larger, more agile, more performance minded and even “more Acura” than ever before. Carefully crafted to honor the original TSX’s vision as a world-class sports sedan, the new TSX has significantly evolved to offer more comfort, convenience, driving performance and safety. It does so with expanded luxury and electronic features, a wider stance for more agile performance, and advanced safety systems.

The 2009 TSX is expected to appeal to current TSX owners, young professionals and other image seekers who will appreciate its innovative styling, technical allure and total performance – while also valuing the outstanding customer treatment that owners have come to enjoy at Acura dealerships. Extremely brand conscious and eclectic in their tastes, buyers will find the TSX as satisfying for driving colleagues to lunch as it is for weekend snowboarding trips or vacation travel.

Powertrain
An all-aluminum DOHC i-VTEC® in-line 4-cylinder engine heralds a pair of firsts for the TSX model, including dual balance shafts and a direct ignition system. Along with improved performance, it is also cleaner as it now meeting the EPA’s aggressive Tier 2-Bin 5 and CARB LEV II Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) standards for the first time in TSX history.

Displacing 2.4-liters and producing 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque (with manual transmission), the new in-line 4-cylinder engine produces its useable power across a much wider rpm range, while five percent more torque further strengthens the engine’s pulling power at middle rpm levels. This allows the 2009 TSX to be more responsive off the line and out of corners, and stronger in the middle of the rpm range where the engine operates most of the time.

This newfound performance and flexibility is due in part to a higher compression ratio, revised valve timing, and improved intake and exhaust gas flow. Further credit goes to the TSX engine’s i-VTEC® "intelligent" valve control system, which provides the power characteristics of a V-6 without sacrificing the light weight or fuel efficiency of an in-line four. Likewise, a new rear-mounted exhaust manifold layout, a close-coupled catalytic converter design, and a Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) system substantially reduce emissions levels. Estimated fuel mileage is 21/30/24 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 5 AT) and 20/28/23 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 6 MT).

Two transmissions are available, both as standard equipment – a 6-speed close- ratio manual with new performance-oriented ratios for Second through Sixth gears, and a Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic with a new lock-up torque converter assembly. The manual transmission features a short-throw shifter with a precise, light action that makes it highly rewarding to use, while the Sequential SportShift automatic permits fully automatic operation with intelligent features such as Grade Logic Control and Shift Hold Control, which make driving the TSX on hilly or winding roads more enjoyable. If the driver desires, the automatic transmission can also be operated manually via new steering-wheel mounted F1®-style paddle shifters.


Body and Chassis
The 2009 TSX body structure includes two firsts for the Acura division, including a closed-channel cross-braced roof structure and inside frame rails. Along with a stronger rear bulkhead, the closed-channel cross-braced roof structure yields a more rigid and vibration-resistant structure. The first use of inside frame rails for any Acura model help tailor the aerodynamics underneath the car for improved fuel economy, lower emissions and reduced noise. In addition, new A-, B- and C-pillar separators improve the TSX’s quietness over rough roads and at high speed. Slippery aerodynamics also helps fuel economy as well as high-speed stability – all while lowering emissions.

In addition to its 3.0-inch greater width and 2.6-inch wider track, the 2009 TSX has a 1.3-inch longer wheelbase and 2.4 inches more overall length. These dimensions combine to provide greater interior roominess, more agile handling and improved ride quality. Another first for Acura are the TSX’s new dual-mode suspension dampers, which provide superior suspension damping characteristics at both lower and higher damper speeds. Using a unique deflector plate stack, the new dampers adjust compression damping characteristics to suit the vehicle speed, cornering forces and road surface. In creating the second-generation TSX body design, Acura designers sought to retain the crisp, dynamic design of the original and enhance it by widening the body overall and adding more muscular and distinctive cues to create a keen-edged sports sedan. Their key design goal was to create an aerodynamic design that evokes both emotion and tension with a decisively sporty flair.

Outward visibility is improved with a slimmer A-pillar design, while an auto up/down front passenger window adds convenience and a reverse-linked passenger-side door mirror tilts down to help improve safety while parallel parking. The new TSX also has a wider trunk opening and a lower trunk lift-over height for more convenient loading.


Exterior/Interior
Functionality and refinement converge with luxury and style in the interior of the 2009 Acura TSX. Featuring a blend of sweeping, contemporary shapes, a high level of standard comfort and convenience features, widespread use of premium materials and an available Technology Package, this 5-passenger sports sedan offers the upscale modern interior that customers have come to expect from Acura.

From the precision-crafted metal door sills to the satin-metal finish accents, from new leather-covered seats to the steering-wheel mounted controls, and from the premium 7-speaker sound system to the dual-zone automatic climate control, the TSX represents a merge of intelligent design and innovation. For example, Bluetooth® connectivity is standard and includes a HandsFreeLink® cellular telephone interface that makes communications easier and safer while en route.

Typical of Acura, the TSX offers an exceptional level of standard equipment. Included are a standard power passenger seat, a new folding key with remote entry, new automatic headlight activation, a premium 7-speaker sound system with CD, AM/FM/XM®, Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® , and USB port music interface. A HomeLink® remote control system is also standard.

Adding to the already impressive list of TSX standard equipment is the available Technology Package, which bristles with leading-edge electronics that make driving much more efficient and enjoyable. These include an Acura Navigation System with Voice RecognitionTM, AcuraLink® Real-time traffic, AcuraLink® weather, and the highly useful AcuraLink® Satellite Communication System. The navigation system also features Real-time trafficTM covering 76 major metropolitan markets, and offers Traffic Rerouting with dynamic route guidance to help navigate around slow-downs. For 2009, the TSX receives a dash-mounted electronic compass for added directional information while driving.

Included in the Technology Package is a premium sound system tuned by legendary sound engineer Elliot Scheiner. This 10-speaker Acura/ELSTM Premium Surround Sound System with DVD-Audio includes a new Note function for XM® Radio that makes it easy to identify songs to recall at a later date. With push of a button, the Note function can capture 10 seconds of up to 30 songs, along with noting text indicating song title, artist name, and XM® channel.


Safety
The 2009 Acura TSX leads the way in safety with its new Advanced Compatibility EngineeringTM (ACETM) body structure. Engineered into the TSX model for the first time, ACETM improves the dispersal of frontal crash energy through the use of load-bearing frame structures that better match the TSX with other vehicles of different sizes and with different bumper heights. Simply put, ACETM helps maximize the effectiveness of the TSX’s front crumple zones, better dispersing crash forces before they reach the passenger compartment.

A broad range of passive safety features likewise contributes to occupant safety, including six airbags (dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags, new dual-chamber front seat side airbags, and side curtain airbags for outboard seating positions). Three-point seatbelts and head restraints are provided in all seating positions, and front seatbelt load limiters with an integrated automatic tensioning system further protect the TSX driver and front passenger. A new Active Headrest Restrain System is used for the first time on the TSX, while the rear seat features a Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren (LATCH) system that allows for the easy and secure affixing of up to two child seats. Exterior features designed to further improve safety include daytime running lights (DRL), pedestrian-injury mitigation features such as a deformable hood, hood hinges and windshield-wiper pivots, and a 5-mph front bumper and 2.5-mph rear bumper. The 2009 Acura TSX is expected to achieve the highest ratings in both government (NHTSA)** and independent (IIHS) crash testing – including garnering IIHS’s TOP SAFETY PICK.

Finally, the 2009 Acura TSX is covered by a comprehensive 4-year/50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper limited warranty and a 6-year/70,000 mile powertrain limited warranty. Additional benefits of ownership include Acura Total Luxury Care® (TLC®) that provides free 24-hour roadside assistance, concierge service and trip routing.



That can't be serious.

And what does (with manual Transmission mean?) The AT will have even less TQ?
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With the price increase I'm sure this will get, I see no reason to buy this car instead of a 128i, unless you NEED 4 doors
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So is there still hope for a Type-S version with awd and the turbo engine?

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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
So is there still hope for a Type-S version with awd and the turbo engine?


I've given up expecting anything even remotely exciting from Acura.

HP isn't everything blah...blah...blah. Gas prices are going up, blah...blah...blah. But to release an all new car with less HP than the old car? With no significant MPG upgrade??? Wow. That can't be good. I don't care how much more usable TQ it has.
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I hope they come out with another power plant besides the diesel engine. 201 HP is stupid if you want to compete with the big boys.
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This isnt even where Lexus IS300 engine was with power... at the turn of the decade.

And yes it was an inline 6, but still... when will Acura get the picture.

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So is there still hope for a Type-S version with awd and the turbo engine?

As i mentioned somewhere else, I've got my fingers crossed for the MMC Type-S update... two/three more years I guess.
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advance

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ecnavda aruca?
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At least the features in that tech package are pretty cool.

It'll be nice when its being pushed on all four wheels with a little BOV action
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
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Originally Posted by dom
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Hey that's my tag-line for Honda...you stole it and "advanced" it.
Honda: Going forward in reverse.


So let it be said here and now.
Honda: Going forward in reverse.

Acura: Advance in reverse.
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
I hope they come out with another power plant besides the diesel engine. 201 HP is stupid if you want to compete with the big boys.
It's quite clear now that Acura does NOT want to compete with the big boys.
Acura = Niche.
They march to the beat of their own drum.
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I knew I'd heard that somewhere before.

But I like Jedi's better anyway. which is going in my sig.
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You people are automotive noobs, who cannot recognize "the TSX’s vision as a world-class sports sedan" and that "the new TSX has significantly evolved to offer more driving performance" only fat-ass Americans would need more then 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque in a world-class sports sedan.

The whole Acura's upper management must be on crack (and not the good kind). First Honda Pilot, then RL and now the TSX.


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