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02-19-2008, 03:01 PM
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I can understand "dialing back" HP at the loftier levels like capping at 300hp or whatever. But 201hp? Going from 201hp to just 225hp isn't going to hurt economy that drastically, especially in a 4-cyl hooked up to a 6spd manual.
And all this talk about making a "huge-shift" to 1st tier luxury? yeah, 201hp is gonna get them there!
And all this talk about making a "huge-shift" to 1st tier luxury? yeah, 201hp is gonna get them there!
02-19-2008, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
I remember my friend got one of those Civics in 76. It was the first little Jap car I ever saw up close. it was the most ridiculous looking thing I saw. We all laughed as we laid a patch pulling away in our Boss Mustangs and Chevelle's. Not laughing anymore.
My dad had one of these, first gen, I was 12. I couldn't sit in the front seats, I was over 6ft. 
02-19-2008, 05:44 PM
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The memory from that decade is a little "foggy" but it definitely looked something like that (except it was gray). I just remember all of us being so taken back by how little it was. It was more shocking then the first look at the new RL grill. 
This guy "Eric" had a single car garage and he'd park it in there when his dad was out of town with his car. We had this running gag where 4 of us would go into his garage and turn the Civic sideways. There was maybe 12 inches of clearance after it was turned. He'd have to do about a 100 K-turns to get t it out of the garage. Man, I almost forgot all about that, but that picture made the memory come rushing back. Sorry for going OT
This guy "Eric" had a single car garage and he'd park it in there when his dad was out of town with his car. We had this running gag where 4 of us would go into his garage and turn the Civic sideways. There was maybe 12 inches of clearance after it was turned. He'd have to do about a 100 K-turns to get t it out of the garage. Man, I almost forgot all about that, but that picture made the memory come rushing back. Sorry for going OT
02-19-2008, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
My dad had one of these, first gen, I was 12. I couldn't sit in the front seats, I was over 6ft. You were over 6ft at 12???
02-19-2008, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
My dad had one of these, first gen, I was 12. I couldn't sit in the front seats, I was over 6ft.
02-19-2008, 07:47 PM
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I hold judgement until I see one on the road. The new grill is still not convincing enough to me, but strangely enough I find the grill on my MDX better suited for it than it is on the TSX/RL models. My first impressions are so-so..it doesn't look as offensive as the RL.
02-19-2008, 08:08 PM
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Keep perspective!
Everybody is loosing sight of what the TSX's actual competitors are.
The TSX does NOT compete with the 3 series, Lexus IS 250, Mercedes C class, or the Audi A4 3.2. Those cars cost $7,000 - $20,000 more once you add features like leather seats, navi, cd changer, etc.
The TSX does NOT even compete with the A4 2.0T. I just configured it at audiusa.com and came to $37k with features like navi, leather seats, etc.
Remember, the TSX costs only $28.5k with navi.
Features cost money. Better engines cost money. I personally wish the TSX would add those features. But that will also mean that it will go up in price as well. Acura obviously doesn't see it that way. They want to keep the prices the way they are and keep Acura as the "affordable luxury" automaker. Honestly, this is probably a good strategy, competing with BMW, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes is a crowded arena.
The TSX does NOT compete with the 3 series, Lexus IS 250, Mercedes C class, or the Audi A4 3.2. Those cars cost $7,000 - $20,000 more once you add features like leather seats, navi, cd changer, etc.
The TSX does NOT even compete with the A4 2.0T. I just configured it at audiusa.com and came to $37k with features like navi, leather seats, etc.
Remember, the TSX costs only $28.5k with navi.
Features cost money. Better engines cost money. I personally wish the TSX would add those features. But that will also mean that it will go up in price as well. Acura obviously doesn't see it that way. They want to keep the prices the way they are and keep Acura as the "affordable luxury" automaker. Honestly, this is probably a good strategy, competing with BMW, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes is a crowded arena.
02-19-2008, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pansuria
Everybody is loosing sight of what the TSX's actual competitors are.
The TSX does NOT compete with the 3 series, Lexus IS 250, Mercedes C class, or the Audi A4 3.2. Those cars cost $7,000 - $20,000 more once you add features like leather seats, navi, cd changer, etc.
The TSX does NOT even compete with the A4 2.0T. I just configured it at audiusa.com and came to $37k with features like navi, leather seats, etc.
Remember, the TSX costs only $28.5k with navi.
Features cost money. Better engines cost money. I personally wish the TSX would add those features. But that will also mean that it will go up in price as well. Acura obviously doesn't see it that way. They want to keep the prices the way they are and keep Acura as the "affordable luxury" automaker. Honestly, this is probably a good strategy, competing with BMW, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes is a crowded arena.
The TSX does NOT compete with the 3 series, Lexus IS 250, Mercedes C class, or the Audi A4 3.2. Those cars cost $7,000 - $20,000 more once you add features like leather seats, navi, cd changer, etc.
The TSX does NOT even compete with the A4 2.0T. I just configured it at audiusa.com and came to $37k with features like navi, leather seats, etc.
Remember, the TSX costs only $28.5k with navi.
Features cost money. Better engines cost money. I personally wish the TSX would add those features. But that will also mean that it will go up in price as well. Acura obviously doesn't see it that way. They want to keep the prices the way they are and keep Acura as the "affordable luxury" automaker. Honestly, this is probably a good strategy, competing with BMW, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes is a crowded arena.
it may not compete in price, but it does compete in size. just because it's not as expensive as the others doesn't mean it's not a competitor.
many have cross-shopped the TSX with the IS250, A4 2.0, etc.
and what features besides a "better engine" would you wish the TSX would add? the car comes with many features...standard.
02-19-2008, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pansuria
Everybody is loosing sight of what the TSX's actual competitors are.
The TSX does NOT compete with the 3 series, Lexus IS 250, Mercedes C class, or the Audi A4 3.2. Those cars cost $7,000 - $20,000 more once you add features like leather seats, navi, cd changer, etc.
The TSX does NOT even compete with the A4 2.0T. I just configured it at audiusa.com and came to $37k with features like navi, leather seats, etc.
Remember, the TSX costs only $28.5k with navi.
Features cost money. Better engines cost money. I personally wish the TSX would add those features. But that will also mean that it will go up in price as well. Acura obviously doesn't see it that way. They want to keep the prices the way they are and keep Acura as the "affordable luxury" automaker. Honestly, this is probably a good strategy, competing with BMW, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes is a crowded arena.
The TSX does NOT compete with the 3 series, Lexus IS 250, Mercedes C class, or the Audi A4 3.2. Those cars cost $7,000 - $20,000 more once you add features like leather seats, navi, cd changer, etc.
The TSX does NOT even compete with the A4 2.0T. I just configured it at audiusa.com and came to $37k with features like navi, leather seats, etc.
Remember, the TSX costs only $28.5k with navi.
Features cost money. Better engines cost money. I personally wish the TSX would add those features. But that will also mean that it will go up in price as well. Acura obviously doesn't see it that way. They want to keep the prices the way they are and keep Acura as the "affordable luxury" automaker. Honestly, this is probably a good strategy, competing with BMW, Lexus, Audi, and Mercedes is a crowded arena.
02-20-2008, 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pansuria
Remember, the TSX costs only $28.5k with navi.
02-20-2008, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
Maybe for a very heavily discounted current gen model - you'll be hard pressed to get a non-navi 09 model for under 30K and the navi model will probably be 32K. And those A4s and IS250s can be had for much less than sticker. Comparing 09 models, the price will be much closer than 08 models were.
02-20-2008, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
so what does the TSX compete with? I guess you have accords, camries, and passats...no wonder Acura is a laughing stock everytime they mention they want to compete with "1st tier luxury brands" or "maybach and bentley".
As far as what the TSX compares with, honestly not many cars are similar to it. The only car that comes to mind is the Volvo S40. Outside of that, you either have to go up in price to Audi, Lexus, BMW, etc. or go down in price to Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc.
But all of this seems intentional at acura, with them trying to be the "affordable luxury" brand out there. Honestly, it's not a bad strategy.
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02-20-2008, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
i disagree.
it may not compete in price, but it does compete in size. just because it's not as expensive as the others doesn't mean it's not a competitor.
many have cross-shopped the TSX with the IS250, A4 2.0, etc.
and what features besides a "better engine" would you wish the TSX would add? the car comes with many features...standard.
it may not compete in price, but it does compete in size. just because it's not as expensive as the others doesn't mean it's not a competitor.
many have cross-shopped the TSX with the IS250, A4 2.0, etc.
and what features besides a "better engine" would you wish the TSX would add? the car comes with many features...standard.
I totally agree the car comes with many features standard, that's why I bought one a few years ago.
02-20-2008, 07:04 AM
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When I buy a car I start buy comparing features, size, etc. Then I compare that with my overall impression of the car and decide which has the most value based on the price. Price is only one factor for most people (assuming they are all in the general area). I think people do cross shop the 328, IS250, and TSX all the time. The price difference in terms of monthly payment is not that much different between the three
02-20-2008, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pansuria
The TSX does NOT compete with the 3 series, Lexus IS 250, Mercedes C class, or the Audi A4 3.2. ....
The TSX does NOT even compete with the A4 2.0T.
The TSX does NOT even compete with the A4 2.0T.
Originally Posted by pansuria
It's a competitor
Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
When I buy a car I start buy comparing features, size, etc. Then I compare that with my overall impression of the car and decide which has the most value based on the price. Price is only one factor for most people (assuming they are all in the general area). I think people do cross shop the 328, IS250, and TSX all the time. The price difference in terms of monthly payment is not that much different between the three
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02-20-2008, 09:07 AM
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Question of the day:
Who does THIS guy compete with?
Freakin' Acura...next hting you know they'll rebadge a Fit and market it as a 135i competitor.
Who does THIS guy compete with?
Freakin' Acura...next hting you know they'll rebadge a Fit and market it as a 135i competitor.
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02-20-2008, 09:53 AM
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Not sure why your complaining, they don't sell it in the US.
Canadians don't have as much disposable income and smaller cars, the Civic, Mazda 3 and Corolla are the countries best sellers. Compared to the US where mid size cars (Accord, Camry etc) sell best.
The CSX and EL made sense at one point because They didn't sell the 4 door Integra up here after 96 and Acura Canada sold so few cars they needed it. But with the price of the CSX now pretty much 30K on the road, I no longer see the point.
Canadians don't have as much disposable income and smaller cars, the Civic, Mazda 3 and Corolla are the countries best sellers. Compared to the US where mid size cars (Accord, Camry etc) sell best.
The CSX and EL made sense at one point because They didn't sell the 4 door Integra up here after 96 and Acura Canada sold so few cars they needed it. But with the price of the CSX now pretty much 30K on the road, I no longer see the point.
02-20-2008, 10:44 AM
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I'm complaining because whether they sell it in the U.S. or not, they still do this. You can argue that BMW, MB, and Audi also sell very "entry" level cars in other markets, but those "entry" level cars aren't rebadges.
So Honda does a rebadge of the Euro-accord for the TSX...fine, we'll let that slip because they don't sell the Euro-accord here. But to go even further DOWNMARKET and rebadge a Civic, in a market that already sells Civics? That's just plain lunacy when they're goal is to become a 1st tier luxury company. And as a 1st tier company, they hopefully mean in all markets they current serve, not just the U.S. market, so being sold only in Canada doesn't make a difference.
So Honda does a rebadge of the Euro-accord for the TSX...fine, we'll let that slip because they don't sell the Euro-accord here. But to go even further DOWNMARKET and rebadge a Civic, in a market that already sells Civics? That's just plain lunacy when they're goal is to become a 1st tier luxury company. And as a 1st tier company, they hopefully mean in all markets they current serve, not just the U.S. market, so being sold only in Canada doesn't make a difference.
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02-20-2008, 11:11 AM
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But is does make a difference. I see "What the hell is this?" threads or posts regarding the CSX around here ALL THE TIME. Which means they can't be hurting their image in the US since not many people even know it exists. As for Canada, the market is likely too small for them to even care about their image. They were/are more concerned about sales. Last I heard Acura sells about 4K TSX and 6K TL's up here annually. Thats about what they sell in the US per month. It really is apples and oranges.
The EL's sold fairly well up here but I've heard rumblings that the CSX is getting the axe.
I think even Acura agrees with what you're trying to say since they never marketed the car in the US.
The EL's sold fairly well up here but I've heard rumblings that the CSX is getting the axe.
I think even Acura agrees with what you're trying to say since they never marketed the car in the US.
02-20-2008, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
i know many people that have enough money to buy a 328/335 but chose the TSX instead. why?
value was the main reason. just because you can afford a $40k car doesn't mean you're going to or should buy one.
look at eclipse23. he's been wanting an S5 but is shopping around for and test driving accords, altimas, camrys, etc.
others that i know prefer the TSX's interior in terms of layout and design, feel more comfortable with buying a honda product, didn't want to buy an expensive car because they'd rather save the money for a second car, etc.
value was the main reason. just because you can afford a $40k car doesn't mean you're going to or should buy one.
look at eclipse23. he's been wanting an S5 but is shopping around for and test driving accords, altimas, camrys, etc.
others that i know prefer the TSX's interior in terms of layout and design, feel more comfortable with buying a honda product, didn't want to buy an expensive car because they'd rather save the money for a second car, etc.
02-20-2008, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
I think there's a difference between "I think I can make payments on a $40k BMW" and "There's no difference to me between $30k and $40k because I've got my own sweatshop ..."
but when i posted that, i'm referring to "i can afford a $40k BMW, but i don't need to pay that much for a car."
02-20-2008, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
oh, for sure.
but when i posted that, i'm referring to "i can afford a $40k BMW, but i don't need to pay that much for a car."
but when i posted that, i'm referring to "i can afford a $40k BMW, but i don't need to pay that much for a car."
02-20-2008, 01:43 PM
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the others might be more expensive but you can get a g35 for $33k. the 09 tsx will probably be pushing $30k. i'd pay the extra $3k and get the better car with 100 more hp
02-20-2008, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
Yep. To sort of use CharlieMike's phrasing. There's also a difference between being ABLE to pay $40k for a car and WANTING to pay $40k for car. Unless you can appreciate the value you get from the badge cache and the slightly better driving performance, most people will probably see the extra 20% for a BMW as a waste of money.
02-21-2008, 09:16 AM
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I had an interesting conversation with my TSX dealer the other day. I asked about the new TSX and all he's say about diesel and SH-AWD is "maybe", he probably doesn't know. He did say that the CSX is getting the axe, there will be no new model year. I asked if they will miss it, after all the parking lot was full of them, but he said no, they sell mostly MDX now. I also asked about the refreshed RL, the said he doesn't like it either but who cares, they only sell one a month.
02-21-2008, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
the others might be more expensive but you can get a g35 for $33k. the 09 tsx will probably be pushing $30k. i'd pay the extra $3k and get the better car with 100 more hp
02-21-2008, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by derrick
^ But that's only up front. What happened to insurance, fuel costs, etc? Much more to own a G35 than a TSX.
02-22-2008, 07:04 AM
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I miss my 03 CL-S :(
I've been getting 26-28mpg with mixed city/highway over the past 3.5 years in my 04 TSX. No mods, just a K&N drop-in and tires usually a little overinflated by ~5psi.
Normally I get 325-350 miles out of the tank before I get the light go on, and even then there's some left.
I'd say that's pretty good. The G35 gets around... what, 19mpg?
Normally I get 325-350 miles out of the tank before I get the light go on, and even then there's some left.
I'd say that's pretty good. The G35 gets around... what, 19mpg?
02-22-2008, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
I had an interesting conversation with my TSX dealer the other day. I asked about the new TSX and all he's say about diesel and SH-AWD is "maybe", he probably doesn't know. He did say that the CSX is getting the axe, there will be no new model year. I asked if they will miss it, after all the parking lot was full of them, but he said no, they sell mostly MDX now. I also asked about the refreshed RL, the said he doesn't like it either but who cares, they only sell one a month.
You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting a new MDX.
02-22-2008, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by einsatz
I've been getting 26-28mpg with mixed city/highway over the past 3.5 years in my 04 TSX. No mods, just a K&N drop-in and tires usually a little overinflated by ~5psi.
Normally I get 325-350 miles out of the tank before I get the light go on, and even then there's some left.
I'd say that's pretty good. The G35 gets around... what, 19mpg?
Normally I get 325-350 miles out of the tank before I get the light go on, and even then there's some left.
I'd say that's pretty good. The G35 gets around... what, 19mpg?
The G35 of course will get less mpg because it's a 3.5 V6 and has about between 60-101 more hp than the TSX depending on the G35 year. Also, you seem to drive faster in the G because of the performance of the car.
02-24-2008, 01:09 PM
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With the all-new European Honda Accord set to debut next month in Geneva, word is that buyers will be disappointed to hear there are apparently no plans to launch a high-performance Type-R version of the new chassis. Honda does not feel the all-new model fits the Type-R brand, adding that the new European Accord is designed to propel the company into competing with the likes of BMW and Audi. Honda does have plans to release Accords with modified suspension and body kits, but with standard engines, much like Audi does with its S-line models.
The United States will see the all-new Euro Accord re-badged as the 2009 Acura TSX, first arriving at the New York Auto Show next month.
The United States will see the all-new Euro Accord re-badged as the 2009 Acura TSX, first arriving at the New York Auto Show next month.
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02-24-2008, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackygor
Honda does not feel the all-new model fits the Type-R brand, adding that the new European Accord is designed to propel the company into competing with the likes of BMW and Audi.
02-24-2008, 03:00 PM
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02-24-2008, 03:44 PM
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Honda does not feel the all-new model fits the Type-R brand, adding that the new European Accord is designed to propel the company into competing with the likes of BMW and Audi
something is VERY wrong over at Honda.
02-24-2008, 05:02 PM
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In Europe BMW Merc and Audi isn't all that prestigious. They offer really cheap models such as Mercedes A class and BMW 1 series, and don't forget they offer weaker engines too.
Basically they offer something for everyone from cheap economical cars to the uber ballin shit like the 7/S/A8
Oh and don't forget they use Mercs and bimmers as taxi's over there too.
I don't see a problem with the Euro Accord competing with the cheaper offerings from the tier 1 brands.
Basically they offer something for everyone from cheap economical cars to the uber ballin shit like the 7/S/A8
Oh and don't forget they use Mercs and bimmers as taxi's over there too.
I don't see a problem with the Euro Accord competing with the cheaper offerings from the tier 1 brands.
02-24-2008, 05:28 PM
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Honda does have plans to release Accords with modified suspension and body kits, but with standard engines, much like Audi does with its S-line models.
02-24-2008, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by shrykhar
Audi? They have performance stuff like the S4 and RS4. Doesn't that seem anywhere analogous to the Type-Rs of yore (except the lightweight part)? Honda's falling short of either budget or imagination ...
This "lack of V8" problem just keeps coming back to haunt Acura.