Moog-Type-S

Because JD Power & Associates studies are not flawed.

How does GM have car lines that are both above and below the "average" line?
Funny, so does Ford.

Not to mention there are more asian makes below the average line than above the average line.



...but hey, keep burying your head in the sand with outdated myths.

Moog-Type-S

Yea, because clearly it's such a horrible design that they continue to run with for over 80 years.

Double kidney grille has had plenty of iterations, but on the whole, yes it works.
Hence 80 years.

The beak.....well....perhaps I might be wrong and Acura will run with the beak forever too.

Yumcha

That's a fair comment.

I'm also hoping there is something enticing with a Type-S/R trim with more HP. I can't dream of RWD because Honda stubbornly refuses...but, maybe more HP to an AWD format...?

Sarlacc

The more I look at the pics...and read the comments the more I feel like people are loving this thing because they've been disappointed for SO long by Acura designs that this thing is just "good enough"

Again, I like rear and profile...but that front end sucks. The headlight shape doesn't fit the flow which creates odd dead space and weird flaring shapes around it. The grill...its still horrible...the lower bumper...looks like a vacuous hole of suck.

Its really just killing it for me.

Moog-Type-S

The people demand excessive wheel hop and torque steer!!!

Yumcha

And stiffer suspension please.

Yumcha

Yup...that kinda sums it up perfectly for me.


STILL, not a horrid car. Just, not sure if it is a benchmark for its market/demographics.

JR_Rider

That's in 2013 looking at 2013 cars...that information is not very valuable as all the cars are under warranty. What I would be interested in seeing would be the realizability numbers in years 4/5/6. That's where you truly see reliability issues.

kurtatx

Someone obviously never took statistics.

Moog-Type-S

One cannot lie, however, it is one of the better looking Acura products in quite some time.

...but you are correct, it's a good design......for Acura, but in comparison to the other makes/competition.....not so much.

Acura has consistently delivered goofy/ugly/odd car designs for quite some time now that I guess anything that does not make you cringe, is pretty good.

Again..... for how they are going to screw this one up when the bean counters water it down and add a heaping scoop of vanilla to it.

All hail the return of the giant wheel gap!

JS + XES

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I'm also interested in realizability numbers.

Sounds extremely important.

imj0257

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Just got the email from Acura about it.

I think it looks AWESOME.

imj0257

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SmokeTL

Well count me in...my lease is up in Aug.......so its the 1st thing I want to test drive when the time comes.

There really isn't anything that makes me not want to give Acura my money again.

Unless, there is major bait and switch when the production version is in the flesh.

MeehowsBRZ

... not sure if butt hurt fanboy or troll.

ttribe

Could you elaborate on your point here, because there's not a lot of statistical sophistication in that chart. Not sure what you're trying to say.

P1zzaman

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Ok! I might need to trade in my 3G now. Thank you Acura.

Moog-Type-S

It's not too hard to understand.
80 years of design legacy.

If it didn't "work" it wouldn't be around for over 80 years.

Moog-Type-S

In all seriousness, does anyone believe the people at Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi are concerned about the new TLX from Acura?....in terms of how it might impact their sales?

ttribe

The evolution:

Yumcha

I am all for debate here.


But, the first nimrod who thinks the TLX looks like the Mustang (inside joke), gets banned for a month.

H_CAR

The new IS isn't even an impressive car, and IMO it still looks horrible.

civicdrivr

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Ahhhh, yes - good ol' JD Power and Associates.

Ethically speaking, one would hope that the licensing fees are not incfluencing the numbers...

kurtatx

Sure. I'm specifically referring to Moog not understanding why some Ford and GM manufactured cars are above and below industry average. The "industry average" is the theoretical mean number of problems per 100 cars. The line doesn't mean anything other than that. I fail to see why having some brands above and some below the mean is a problem.

civicdrivr

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But as someone else has already mentioned; rattles do not equate to catastrophic failures, however both are lumped into the same category. That is the flaw with JDP&A.

kurtatx

Regardless, by nearly every existing measure, someone would buy an Acura over a BMW or an Audi because it is more reliable. That's answering the question of a disappointed BMW fan. The TLX looks good and I can't wait to see what the interior looks like.

Edit: and by the way, I would buy the IS today if I had the money or didn't just buy two automobiles.

oonowindoo

In all seriousness, maybe 1 out of 500 buyers are cross shopping Tier 1 with Tier???

But depends on the price, they might steal some customers from Accord and definitely RLX. Maybe Infiniti.

vwong

I'm a little late to the party. I think the design of the TLX is an improvement over the 4G TL. Overall design looks good, but there are some details that I don't like.

- the "beak" , the "de-grilled" pic looks so much better
- front over hang is a bit long (typical for a FWD car)
- don't like how the lower grill of the front bumper span across the width of the car
- lower grill in the rear bumper doesn't make sense

So far, I'd have to say that I won't give up my BMW nor Audi for this. If I'm in the market, I won't choose this over 3-series or A4. No MT is the biggest let down for me, and the engine specs don't interest me at all.

oonowindoo

If you are buying BMW/Audi, you wont even consider Acura in the first place.

I can't say all but most of the ppl jump from Acura to BMW. Not the other way around.

Yumcha

Yep...gotta take with a grain of salt folks.


I own two cars: one from Germany (MINI) and the other from Japan (Infiniti). It is fair to say that I've had more nagging issues with the latter than the Countryman.

And let's not forget the stupid transmissions I had to go through in my CL. All in all, I'm not hating on either nationality...I buy what I want. But, just saying that the Japanese's supposed iron reliability? That's a myth.

Yumcha

Yep...it's IMO, the Buick and Lincoln market here. Possibly Cadillac.

Legend2TL

Anyone at Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi would be a idiot to ignore it. The low-end luxury car market is more about the product then the badge as compared to the mid-high end.

Acura sold almost 80K/yr TL's in '04 and '05 so if the 5G can back up it's good looks with the rest of the package then I guess those numbers are possible again...

Only the paranoid survive (A. Grove)

kurtatx

That's fine. I started this discussion by trying to answer a BMW fan on an Acura forum. I got what I deserved.

Nexx

i 100% agree on this. i think the 4 banger will be dynamic enough to sway people away from the front wheel drive v6 with people who really want the v6 choosing the shawd over the front wheel drive.

Yumcha

FWIW, Moog-Type-S may be a bit over-the-top (actually, I may be worse on some topics )...But, IMO, he doesn't have a "loyalty" to any brand per se. He likes what he likes.












Well, I can say he's a Pagani and Aston Martin fan. But, then again, if you insult those two car manufacturers, it's gonna get personal with me.

Moog-Type-S

You stop with your logic, sir!

ttribe

stogie turned in his E92 335i at the end of the lease and went and leased a 4G TL. But, he's a knucklehead.

H_CAR

I don't see why Acura would have a problem moving a ton of these TLX's, especially for a lot less money than the 3 series and A4.

Acura has more prestige than we give them credit, just because they're related to the Honda brand. For example, the 3G TL out sold every car in it's class, and that includes BMW, Audi and Lexus, brands that arguably have more prestige. What's wrong with the TLX that would make doing that impossible?

civicdrivr

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He probably found a spider crawling out from under the dash and cursed BMW for life.

Moog-Type-S

Difference between concerned and ignoring, no?

Concerned? No, I don't think they are.
It's clear Acura is not getting back into the hunt to go after it's competitors.
It's clear they are staying in the niche market.

Ignore Acura? Of course not. It's all a giant pool of buyers that every car maker wants, and you don't want one to take more than you can get. However, I don't think they are concerned much about "direct" cross-shopping.