NSXNEXT

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I would pick it over the 3-series and A4 based on a few things:
1) interior space, can you seat 5 comfortably?
2) price

Same reasons I picked he RSpec. No other brand came close to matching the package.

And yes I am using the money I saved with Geico to buy more timepieces

iforyou

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Is the 2.4L boosted?

RPhilMan1

I see it! I mean, look at those lines!!!

Belzebutt

Ok I'm excited... I want to see the interior and infotainment stuff now. Come on Acura, don't disappoint!

Yumcha

BTW folks, TLX Race Car revealed: https://acurazine.com/forums/motorsports-news-7/acura-tlx-gt-news-903261/

Belzebutt

Not a chance.

Unless Honda pulls a miracle, the 2.4L FWD version will be the one that all the reviews characterize as "too slow". Like the Lexus IS250.

PG2G

Nope

Yumcha

Fair enough.




And @ Geico comment...

JS + XES

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Read it wrong.

Fuck this.

The engines are basically carry over from the existing line up, huh?

Moog-Type-S

Still has the same VERY dated Acura front end that's been around for +15 years.
Beak still lives on...muted, but still there. That 5-point front end grille design is so very limiting.

They fixed the rear of the horrible previous gen. So points for Acura there.
Side profile is nice, but conservative. Nothing ground breaking or earth shattering here.....for Acura that is a good thing. Go vanilla like the RDX, and sales will follow.

Transmissions: Finally some good news out of Acura! Nice job there.
Engines: meh. Still behind the pack.

Why anyone would buy this over an Accord Touring is beyond me.
Will it really be $15k more for SH-AWD?...as compared to an Accord Touring? Why?


...Keep in mind the above is regarding this concept. Honda/Acura have a VERY bad habit of having the bean counters step in and watering down and adding tons of vanilla to the concept for the production model.

Belzebutt

Is this finally coming to life??? I remember drooling over it so long ago and hoping it would be my next TSX...




Can't wait to see if this car will feel small and nimble like the TSX or if it will be a boat.

And for god's sake Acura PLEASE give it split-folding rear seats.

neuronbob

YES! YES! YESSSSSS! YES! WOWWWWWW.









Someone at Acura is listening to our gripes about style. They did not fsck up, repeat, they did not fsck up!

Screw the RLX. TLX, here I come. 1 J35 SH-AWD TLX to go, please. And can I get a manual with that?

Belzebutt

The new one has direct injection so I don't think it's carry over. They claim "all new", there's got to be something new in them.

Totally agree, can't assume anything until we see the actual car they put on sale.

Moog-Type-S

Why this car over the 3 series, IS, A4?

Belzebutt

- Japanese reliability, or at least perception of.
- Price. I expect to get more features for the same money.

JS + XES

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Hopefully, it delivers. Just want Acura to move in the right direction. That's all.

Undying Dreams

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Nope.

JS + XES

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That perception has been adjusted for several years already. The sales number proves the point every year.

Acura's positioning strategy has been terrible. Hope they realized it from RLX.

Yumcha

Yep.

oonowindoo

I am so glad the rear is not Pointy anymore.
looks so much better than the current TL.

But this is a prototype. Who knows what the product version is gonna look like? those 20" will not make it for sure. So expect 4x4 look with 17".

Overall Meh... The same as IS. Looks good inside out with outdated engine options.

iforyou

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That's what I thought, it's not mentioned in the Press Release.

With that said, I think it will perform okay. The Accord Sport 6MT has a power to weight ratio of 17.3lb/hp. If the 2.4L unit in the TLX makes 205hp and has the same power to weight ratio, then it will be at 3550lb, which is probably how heavy a base TLX 2.4 will be. The 2G TSX 6MT was at 3383lb for reference.

The Accord Sport 6MT I4 is capable of 0-60mph in mid 6's and 1/4 mile in low 15's@ 90+mph. The TLX with its 2 extra gears and DCT setup should at the very least match the Accord Sport 6MT. These numbers should put the TLX comfortably faster than a IS250 and right in line with the underrated 320i.

Yumcha

I already asked this.


The pricepoint, interior, and final look will be factors for sure. But, for ME, even if it retains the concept look which isn't bad, I would not choose it over a 3-Series or A4.

Although, in fairness to Honda, I think the 3-Series and A4 are not the TLX's direct competitors anymore.

I think it is Lincoln or Buick these days.

Crazy Bimmer

How can a DCT transmission have a torque converter?

neuronbob

I knew that already, but can't a brotha dream? Realistically, if a manual is offered (and given prior experience, it will be, eventually), it will be on the 2.4 l DI engine. This IS Honda, after all. :roll eyes:

The last TL I felt positive about was the 3G.....and oldsters here knew I was a 3G TL OG. This is something I can actually plunk a deposit on, interior and final drivetrains willing.

This is the look I was kinda hoping for from the RLX, but didn't get. If I can get this with the J35, mechanical SH-AWD, and the 9-speed tranny, I think I'll be good.

I am officially putting in a PLEA to Acura to not. change. a. thing. about. the exterior. before production.

JS + XES

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You never know man.

It's Acura. They Advance.

AZuser

It's likely a carry over from the Accord. 2.4 liters. Direct Injection. Only difference is the DCT vs the CVT in the Accord.... DCT should help with performance.

Ken1997TL

The main objection to a DCT is the low speed shuddering/sputtering and generally unrefined feel.

Not sure how, but Honda applied for patents a while ago for a DCT with a torque converter.

RPhilMan1

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...rque-converter

Belzebutt

Wait, I'm watching the announcement and the guy says "an 8 sp dual clutch transmission with a torque converter".

Huh?

Edit: damn, someone else just got it too.

Ken1997TL

It won't be a huge jump really. The CVT in the Accord is already better than an equivalent automatic in terms of performance and MPG.

Speculatively, the main difference would be throttle response. The CVT in the Accord is very responsive (for a CVT) but it could be better.

civicdrivr

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I have a feeling I'm going to regret this comment, but - BMW has been using their double-kidney grills for 60+ years. If it looks good (which, in the case of the TL, has worked on the 2G and 3G quite well), why make a massive change?

The 2015 should theoretically hit showrooms in ~10 months. That doesn't give them a whole lot of time to screw things up. I'm not in the industry, but the body looks production ready, minus the mirrors and possibly the bumpers. I'd don't foresee it changing a whole lot for the production version.

biker

Belzebutt

No but they could jack up the suspension and give it boring 17" wheels that are well inside the wheel wells - the concept has 20" wheels. Based on the RLX it looks like they'll leave the headlights alone. The front/rear bumper will probably see some changes.

iforyou

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no worries....i hope they are not carrying over the old engines...they did say "all-new" with direct injection. None of Acura existing I4 engines have DI. I'm expecting a tuned unit from the Accord with may be 10% more power? The 8-speed DCT should make up the ground with the lack of outright power.



I worry about the transition from concept/prototype to production model too.

As for the Accord Touring, 3 series, A4, IS comparison, it's hard to say at this moment. We have no idea what the interior is like in terms of design and quality. We don't know how well the car drives. We have no clue how well the car will do in performance tests. We also need to find out what features the car will have, and at what price range.


They explained about this when they had that VTEC Turbo press release. The idea is to have fast shifts when the car is moving, without sacrificing ride comfort. As you may know, many DCT equipped cars are not very smooth when pulling away from idle. The torque converter eliminates this issue completely.

JS + XES

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Hope I'm wrong on this, but the car doesn't look "light" at all. 2.4L N/A with DCT will NOT make anyone excited.

I don't have any fingers left to cross for Honda/Acura. We'll just have to see how it goes.

ttribe

1 - the dual kidneys have evolved ALOT.

2 - if it doesn't look good (and the current iteration of Acura's face most certainly doesn't), then it needs to be changed yesterday.

AZuser

They said release is summer of this year. Summer months are generally June, July, August, and part of September.... so that's like 7-8 months away. I'm thinking they'll release in August.

Summer starts June 21 and ends September 21.... at least it does in the northern hemisphere.

91lgndsdn

Coinciding with the reveal of the 2015 Acura TLX Prototype at the 2014 Detroit Auto Show this morning, Acura has confirmed that a version of the car designed for motorsport will compete in the GT category of the growing and highly competitive Pirelli World Challenge. The North American-based series features a variety of familiar vehicles racing on a wide range of circuits, from tight street tracks like Long Beach and St. Petersburg to wide and fast circuits such as Austin’s Circuit of the Americas.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...orld-challenge

neuronbob

The presenter says there will be PAWS on the FWD models.

Buh-bye RLX FWD......we hardly knew ye. I mean, why have both?

"The other end of the TLX is......3.5 liter engine.....9-speed transmission.....available in 2WD PAWS and SH-AWD. 25% lighter and new vectoring that improves performance."

Again,

I'm half ready to march into the dealer and offer a deposit. Not kidding. I did not feel this way about the RLX.

AZuser

Not even if the TLX is as pot hole proof as the RLX and retains its best in class ground clearance, vent placement, side mirror aerodynamics, fuel economic, handling with all season tire setup, and resale value?