iforyou

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For sure, I personally would like to see a J3xB (where x = 0, 2, 5, or 7), similar to how C32B was different than C32A. I don't know how much the engineering would cost and how hard it is to implement, but I think it's time to have something new - J-series with DOHC, DI, forced-induction IMO will be able to satisfy a lot of enthusiasts.

iforyou

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I just hope Acura by next year will have a Type S version since the S4 will (or should) be faster, then there will be the G37, and 335i might get a bump in boost. But seems like Type S version won't make it here until 2011.....

Infamous425

this new TL is some 17" longer than a 3 series

195.3" vs 178.2"

a g35 is 187"

phile

It got bigger...much bigger...

Yumcha

phile

See this Fit commercial looks like someone put some thought into it.

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Infamous425

the new fit only gets 33 mpg hwy? thats pretty sad. i get a lil more than that in my xb with its 4AT and less aerodynamic shape.

fsttyms1

Now if only they could fix the styling. Its not horrible in person but the grill up close needs a lot of work

Costco

seriously? my old 97 Civic 4AT got 33 mpg combined, real life tested

JediMindTricks

i thought a darker color like black would make the car better. so when i went to the acura website and built a black one, it only makes the grille stand out even more.

i really want to like the car, but it's going to be difficult.

it's bad enough that the grille is all fawked up. but the rear is really gonna take a bit getting used to.

LuvMyTSX

I'd like to see a black TL with a color matched grille. I think it might make a difference. I just don't know what to do with that stupid silver piece on the back by the trunk. I hate that, too.

I really want to like the car, too, but I'm still hung up on a few things.

AsianRage

From the 4G TL forum - Pics of the WDP TL with OEM Bodykit (courtesy of bubbahead)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22987201@N02/?saved=1

Moog-Type-S

dom

The Grille looks terrible on the white. Did Acura not see how dumb this looks? All they had to do was align the top of it with the headlights. WTF, was that so hard?

Moog-Type-S

Lipstick on a pig.

LuvMyTSX

That is one of my major beefs. It looks terrible on any color because it's not aligned with the headlights, and also because of its size. It's just way too big.

JS + XES

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Great Ads, IMO.

BraveDemon

Well I finally saw the 4g in person today. And I must say, that from the back and profile it doesn't look bad; looks pretty classy imo.

It is considerably larger than my 2g, and the interior (from what I could see through the tint) looked awesome.

With that said, I still do not like the "Power Plenum" Grille. Maybe theres a way to put the MDX grille on there...

Yumcha

chill_dog

I can live with the grille (did I just say that? )...the body kit has to go, though. And the car needs a serious de-chroming.

SHYUperman

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wow that body kit is terrible

vishnus11

I really was expecting something atrocious based on some of the comment here.

But, that white TL with bodykit looks fantastic, especially the rear shot. I really REALLY like this car. Guess it just goes to show just how subjective styling is.

I much rather prefer the styling of this car over anything else in the segment (3, IS, C, G) and even the new A4 included. Yes, I'm partial to Acura, but this car truly looks refreshing and bold and well styled in my opinion. And now it finally has the performance to deliver.

I'd like to see some real world mpg figures. 3G owners report 30mpg on the hwy - hopefully this one can deliver more of the same.

JediMindTricks

the grille just stands out so much. it looks obnoxious and offensive, to a point.

last night, i was bored so i was looking at pics of the car online.

when i look at the grille, i think

but then when i start to think i can get used to it, i look at the rear and go

then when i think that i can finally get used to the rear, i see the front again and think

the profile, i like.

it's too bad because the interior is gorgeous. and the wheels on the AWD version is the best i've seen from acura.

hveagle

Saw some being delivered while at the stealership today... imo, looks significantly better in person.

Moog-Type-S

Clearly, you have been drinking way too much of this.

derrick

I'm gonna add my camera phone pics of the 2009 TL when I went to get my 2007 TSX serviced:

Front:


Under the hood:


Trunk:


Impressions:
I didn't test drive the car but I did sit in every seat (I had a long wait) ... seating feels as comfortable / firm as the 3rd gen TL. Leather surfaces / plastic buttons feel very similar. Steering wheel is thicker and button layout for the various functions seem to be better positioned for most actions. I don't think the buttons in the center stack is perplexing. You won't need to use an iDrive like function to get what you need to do -- you just need to know which button to press. Take your pick on which application is "easier".

Rear seats are roomy. The headrests flip down to reduce blindspots via the rearview mirror. There is a noticeable 'bump' in the middle seat, limiting foot room.

As for going around and kicking the tires ... I opened up the hood and not surprisingly, most of the area is covered up in plastic. I asked a salesperson how does one check the brake fluid ... and he pointed to the transmission fluid dipstick I speak to a female salesperson and she told me which plastic cover to lift up and look for the clear plastic container.

In the trunk area -- space seems about the same as the 3rd gen TL (didn't have a measuring tape). I kinda like the drawer feature in case you need to put something small and you don't want to use the cargo net. (ie maps, papers, small things that can easily be lost).

Overall, I think the layout and interior is nice. Exterior -- it's just like it looks in the pictures, which is disappointing. Hope in the MY2010 -- they fix the grill ... just as fast as what Subaru did when people blasted the homage to the propeller in a very short-lived grill design they had a few years back.

majin ssj eric

I keep hoping Acura is gonna jump out from behind the bushes and say, "Haha, just kidding about that grille guys!!! Here's the real new TL (drives in the Sports4 concept). You didn't think we'd seriously build something that grotesque did you?"

Oh well, back to reality.

Infamous425

i hate all that plastic covering the engine

sho_nuff1997

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wow. the grille looks worse with darker colors, and the car certainly doesn't look good with those little wheels.

phile

I wish.

JS + XES

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That is one fucking gigantic front grille.

ggesq

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Saw an 09 Base w/ Tech @ the dealer. It definately looks better in person than in pics that's for sure. The chrome wasn't as offensive to me as it is to others. The interior looks alot better than the 3G and the quality of the leather passed the butt test. The interior materials seemed better as well. I wasn't able to drive it much less turn the damn thing on but it felt huge sitting in it. From the exterior- this is one big friggin car. Why is it that part of the rear window trim stays on the car while you open up the rear door? I don't like that one bit.

The front grill is definately the worst thing about it IMO. I do admit though it wasn't as bad seeing it in person. Could I live w/ it? I don't know. Hopefully Ron can come up w/ a better alternative. The rear actually looked ok. The base 17" wheels/tires suck. I do like the side profile shot of the vehicle and love the fact that next year there will be a MT option on both the base and AWD models.

gavriil

Like with the Accord, Honda has decided to go large in the USA.

Now that everyone is getting smaller

iforyou

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^lol, isn't the new Mazda6 bigger than before?

biker

Yes, they should have kept it Euro sized like previous gen.

gavriil

Yeah I know what you mean. Many get bigger with their sedans mostly because the sedans have "stolen" a large chunk off of the SUV market. People left the large (especially truck-platform-based) SUVs for large, newer generation sedans. And I am guessing that's why Honda got so much bigger with the Accord and TL which is very unlike Honda. Remember the previous gen. Accords? They were usually smaller than the competition.

Anyway, I feel that these manufacturers have got to find a way to get these cars lighter if there is no choice other than getting them smaller. I know it's super expensive but unless we find a way to get tremendous amounts of torque created by very cheap energy sources and zero emissions, sedans must get smaller somehow.

gavriil

Which is not super small either, even for American standards. The 6 is now a large sedan for Euro standards.

Dr.P

maybe to you. but to some of us that r looking for some more luxury it does matter just like the rain sensing windhield wipers &/or the auto headlights especially when the technology is so cheaply available elsewhere.

iforyou

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Yea, I think so too, I mean afterall, these companies just do whatever to get the most profit. And apparently size is a huge deciding factor. And that's probably one reason why the Fit is here now. Accord has moved up, Civic has also grown bigger and more luxury (leather seats and navi), and there's certainly a slot for the Fit.

I agree about your second part. Mazda2 and Ford Fiesta are doing that right now.

iforyou

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That's exactly why some of us buy Acuras because they come with HID's, leather, power and heated seats, moonroof as standard features. Some other cars in the luxury car segment, you need to pay extra to get these basic features.