JS + XES

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RWD is.. addictive. Now I know.

No shit, Sherlock.

Read the past 3 pages and see what we are talking about.

Why is it always that you get into one of the automotive news thread, you don't understand what the hell is going on? I don't know if you are blind or just have reading comprehension problem.

JS + XES

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That's fine for BMW, but not for brand like Acura.

fsttyms1

This rear 3/4 view reminds me of the Hyundai Azera



And im sure Acura will find a way to really screw up the final production car so that it looks completely bland and nothing like this concept

Mizouse

the concept is already bland to me.

Edward'TLS

Unfortunately, no such luck with Acura.

Acura launches the lame FWD RLX first, and will follow up with the high-performance AWD-trim RLX almost a year afterwards, and the RLX has been flopping big time in sales.

Fibonacci

If that's what Honda calls a "refresh", wow - their designers are smoking more Moog's sauce than we think. That civic coupe looks like a clown car.


FWIW, in my 6MT, ASC can easily be switched off and power on oversteer is there if you want it. And you don't see the power plenum from the drivers seat!

Black Tire

I agree...remember the ILX concept?




ILX real life

Fibonacci

I totally hear what you are saying. Haven't been married quite as long, but married to Honda since I bought a beaten up 2G Prelude for $1200 bucks, had 120k miles and was already rusting. BUT, it was a great drive for a kid working his way through school and it was nearly indestructible. Sure, I have dabbled with plenty of brands since my first Honda, but there was something magical about how my first two Preludes drove that still haunts me.

Unlike you, I've remained loyal for more practical reasons. Getting married, having kids caused me to place a bigger premium on safety and value. Let's give HondAcura some kudos in that department.

But to your point, it never ceases to amaze me how much brand equity Honda continues to have even after ALL of their self-induced errors. From peeps who have left the brand: if they didn't care, they wouldn't comment so critically. They really want to see Honda return to the glory they know its capable of. I know I do.

If their was an Academy Award for "stubbornly slogging on in the face of unrelenting criticism", Acura management would have won for the past six years running.

Fibonacci

Not exactly sure what your were heart was broken over.

Other than some minor trim on the bumper and different wheels/brakes, what you see is what you get.

jrob8604

Just looking at how their previous prototypes have looked compared to the production models like the ILX and the MDX. THE TLX bottom rear will be replaced (where the exhaust pipes should go) with something more generic and bland looking, and the same with the part under the front grill. It won't be that aggressive looking nor with the chrome outline and slits. that will be "blanded down". The wheels will be different and surely wont be 20 inch wheels, and the car wont sit so low. I'm pretty sure the TLX is lowered in the prototype version for looks at the event. Even the side mirrors might be replaced for something more "normal", as iv read a lot of comments on the mirrors. I think everything else will look the same. So in all it will be a pretty plain car similar to the ILX and RLX.

Acura doesn't put out bold designs like other car companies (Infiniti) Besides the NSX which is becoming more generic as the days go by every car exterior wise that acura has put out has been "normal" or some would say boring. Honestly the reason I have liked Acuras the last 10 years, are their interiors, although I think they are even starting to simplify those even. I was blown away by the interior of the 2nd gen MDX when I first saw it, it just looked really nice. I think the gen3 MDX interior doesn't have the same wow factor for me then when I saw gen2 for the first time. I think the TLX exterior is good enough for me, its an improvement over last gen, but the interior is what is going to make it or break it for me. I'm also interested to see how a 9 speed drives and I'm hoping it wont take premium gas.

NSXNEXT

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Wow we have Genesis owners complaining about downshift lag in an 8-speed trans. Now 9-speeds. Hope Acura has an answer.

And you know this car will require premium. Hell even my 99TL requires premium.

kurtatx

Maybe, but the 2.4L TSX is "premium recommended".

Your car will run with regular anyway. The manufacturer won't let you destroy your engine.

ttribe

Always makes me shake my head when I hear of a person talking about paying $35k-$45k for a near-lux car and then complaining about the additional cost of premium fuel.

kurtatx

Yeah, I never really got this either. If you say "well, I was looking at the CRV and the X3, and the CRV is cheaper AND doesn't require premium gasoline", that's one thing, but to complain about how premium models require premium gasoline is silly. Go buy something else.

Yumcha

The insane one is when I hear about people barely able to afford a 3-Series or similar but INSIST on it...and dump regular gasoline into the car only because they can't afford premium gas.

jrob8604

Meh. I'v had higher performance cars that take regular.

myron

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haha this happens all the time

iforyou

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I think the TLX 3.5 is to compete with the likes of 335i, IS350, Q50, ATS 3.6, C350, etc. And this TLX 3.5 will be launched at the very beginning. It's not being launched a year later or something.

If Acura were to release TLX with 3.5TT, then most likely we are looking at 400hp+. BMW and Cadillac don't launch their 400+hp M3/ATS-V until a year or two later.

There's no right or wrong really...some manufacturers do it one way, some do it in another way. Some might want Acura to launch all the choices at the very beginning. But too bad, their new engines aren't ready yet.

AZuser

You should point out that the difference is very small.

The price difference between regular and premium for me is $0.20. If I drive 20,000 miles per year and average 25 MPG, that's 800 gallons of gas per year. At $0.20 more for premium, that's only $160 more per year vs regular.

Even if the price difference was $0.40 between regular and premium, that's still only $320 more a year.

JS + XES

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The right way, in business, to do this is to launched loaded high trims level first. Acura just doesn't do it because.. they are dumb.

This is not something new. It's marketing.

JS + XES

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this.

ttribe

Today's engines use very high compression to create some of that performance. Thus, the higher octane requirements.

kurtatx

Add to that when you consider the decrease in performance of your vehicle with regular gasoline, you're probably not saving any money.

JS + XES

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Do you even dyno bro?

kurtatx

HE FILLED HIS ENGINE WITH THIS! I DRINK YOUR PREMIUM IN SMOOTHIES!

JS + XES

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And missed this part.

I think you are not understanding that M / F are not really a part of the regular 3 / IS lines. We are talking about top of the line 335i and fully loaded IS350 being released before any other shitty trim ones.

Again, this is marketing. Nothing new.



I bet he's talking about his Mugen Civic Si.

jwong77

Another example of people not making any sense. Let me spend thousands more to look good in a fancy car, but I'll save 160 bucks by buying cheap gas, wtf?

Ken1997TL

Yeah.. try arguing with my father about that, a father with dozens of engineering patents to his name but was inherently cheap.

'Regular will work just fine!', followed by a detailed explanation of compression ratios and fuel detonation.

Some battles just aren't worth it

VTEC Racer

Yes, it does. With a staggering 200hp starting at over $40,000.

parasitius

ONLY $320? More like say good bye to your summer vacation. That'd otherwise cover both night in the hotel and round-trip gas!! Ever heard of some people have a budget?

swoosh

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some chops

ttribe

$320 for a summer vacation? I hate to break it to you, but if $320 is the difference between a vacation or not, then you have no business buying cars in the near-lux/lux classes.

Sarlacc

DO NOT ENGAGE...warning warning PULL UP...REPEAT DO NOT ENGAGE

parasitius

Thanks, and, MORE MORE MORE!!!!! Feeling greedy today

iforyou

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I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding.

As I said, the TLX 3.5 competes with 335i, IS350, C350, Q50, etc. The TLX 3.5 AWD will be the top trim for the regular TLX line up. This car will be launched right at the beginning, which is just like most companies.

On the other hand, if the TLX 3.5TT is coming along with 400+hp, that thing will be competing with M3, IS-F, S4, ATS-V, etc. And like those cars, this rumored TLX 3.5TT won't come at the very beginning.

Summary:

TLX 2.4NA: ATS 2.5, C250, 320i, IS250
TLX 2.0T: ATS 2.0T, C300, 328i, A4 2.0T
TLX 3.5NA: ATS 3.6, C350, 335i, IS350, Q50
TLX-S 3.5TT: ATS-V, C63AMG, M3, IS-F, S4

It's possible that the 3.5TT engine will only be a replacement for the 3.5 NA engine with only a slight power upgrade (i.e. 300hp becomes 330hp). That just means the top trim gets a nice upgrade. It does not mean the highest trim didn't get launched at the very beginning. This happened when BMW replaced the 330i with 335i, or when MB replaced the 272hp 3.5 V6 in the C350 with 306hp 3.5L V6 in the middle of the model cycle. Nothing out of the ordinary really.

iforyou

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very nice!

ttribe

Geez! Would you guys stop quoting swoosh's Photoshop post over and over again!

swoosh

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^^ yeah stop posting my photoshop over and over again and thank all my posts

JS + XES

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You make it seem like it's no big deal.

If I'm the buyer of top of the line TLX in the first MY then Acura replaces the NA engine with twin turbo in a year, I'm going apeshit.

Maybe not you, but I'll be one pissed off monkey.

But anyway, let's just drop the subject. We have zero idea if they are releasing the boosted engines. I don't think they will for 5G.

Ruby

So many haters in this thread! Do we really need to hear for 8 pages how much you hate this car? We get it. Move along..