2021/2022 TLX versus the Competition
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#682
Thanks for the most logical message in this forum!
Last edited by Tony Pac; 11-01-2022 at 11:06 AM.
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richii0207 (11-01-2022)
#683
Read through any BMW threads and yes people love the performance but see how many trash it for being unreliable.
#684
That's just pure B.S. I've been reading multiple BMW threads for over a year and the majority of owners find them very reliable. I can't even remember reading a post about unreliability.
#685
Just saying in general. People that trash Acura don't own one and didn't even test drive it. Same goes for BMW, doubt that most that complain ever owned one.
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MarcoTLX (11-02-2022)
#687
Please post those threads because I’m on both Bimmerpost and Bimmerfest and rarely will you see a post about unreliability. Unless you count a rattling sunroof unreliability.
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robnalex (11-03-2022)
#688
dmski, I think your info is outdated based on prior decades perhaps?
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robnalex (11-03-2022)
#689
The last one I owned was an F30 which needed new injectors and starter right before the warranty expired. Traded it in before the warranty was up.
What I got out of my 15 years of owning BMWs. They are great vehicles, but if things go wrong, it’s costly to repair. Nice vehicles to lease unless you don’t mind out of warranty repair costs. I learned early on with the repair costs that it was just made more sense to get a new one rather than keep paying to repair an old model.
Last edited by richii0207; 11-03-2022 at 01:01 PM.
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I don’t speak don’t speak for everyone. I’ve had 4 BMWs, mainly 3 series, starting with the a E90 all the way to the F30. In fact, I’ve spent more time with BMW vehicles than any other manufacturer. The E90 had nearly everything replaced from transmission, engine, pumps, electronics, and needed to be walnut blasted often to keep it running optimal. I visited the parts department so much that the worker and I knew each other.
The last one I owned was an F30 which needed new injectors and starter right before the warranty expired. Traded it in before the warranty was up.
What I got out of my 15 years of owning BMWs. They are great vehicles, but if things go wrong, it’s costly to repair. Nice vehicles to lease unless you don’t mind out of warranty repair costs. I learned early on with the repair costs that it was just made more sense to get a new one rather than keep paying to repair an old model.
The last one I owned was an F30 which needed new injectors and starter right before the warranty expired. Traded it in before the warranty was up.
What I got out of my 15 years of owning BMWs. They are great vehicles, but if things go wrong, it’s costly to repair. Nice vehicles to lease unless you don’t mind out of warranty repair costs. I learned early on with the repair costs that it was just made more sense to get a new one rather than keep paying to repair an old model.
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#694
Looks like r/cars noticed the Acura comparo pages: https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/commen...0i_to_the_tlx/
I've been in a more forgiving mood towards Acura lately and even started considering the Type-S again, especially with tuning being released. And then I drove the RDX to the gym today and the rattles have cropped back up with a vengeance and my sourness towards the brand resumed.
Hell, I might go and pull a polar opposite switch and jump into a Lexus ES F-Sport Handling. Not a shitbox like Acura puts together, completely unassuming (less neckbeards looking at the car) and I find driving a podunk cruiser puts me in a more sedate driving mood. I really friggin wish Lexus had put the V8 in the ES as well as the IS.
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ESHBG (11-03-2022)
#695
Considering you’re leasing the car, you shouldn’t have to worry about paying a dime on anything while leasing the car since maintenance is included as well. Just gotta keep the miles down so you don’t have to pay that premium when you return the car!
#696
I broke the lease cycle with the X3. I finally have equity if I change my mind!
#697
Only issues you'll see now are carbon buildup (common across many brands) and expensive maintenance. FCPeuro with their lifetime warranty certainly helps.
#698
It's the V8 folks with the issues! I6's have been very stout and reliable, esp once BMW figured out their injector issues almost a decade ago. The 4cyl engines have had timing chain issues that are well known across BMW boards. Whatever you do, don't buy a hybrid BMW, many of those get totaled out as the batteries can be very expensive down the road. You'll see a ton of 2009-2015 Active Hybrid BMW's at copart because the battery is kaput.
Only issues you'll see now are carbon buildup (common across many brands) and expensive maintenance. FCPeuro with their lifetime warranty certainly helps.
Only issues you'll see now are carbon buildup (common across many brands) and expensive maintenance. FCPeuro with their lifetime warranty certainly helps.
I was looking at the F30 330i but was scared off by this issue after reading up on this as well as seeing a few YT clips from owners. Seems like the 340i is the better option in terms of reliability as well as performance.
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It's the V8 folks with the issues! I6's have been very stout and reliable, esp once BMW figured out their injector issues almost a decade ago. The 4cyl engines have had timing chain issues that are well known across BMW boards. Whatever you do, don't buy a hybrid BMW, many of those get totaled out as the batteries can be very expensive down the road. You'll see a ton of 2009-2015 Active Hybrid BMW's at copart because the battery is kaput.
Only issues you'll see now are carbon buildup (common across many brands) and expensive maintenance. FCPeuro with their lifetime warranty certainly helps.
Only issues you'll see now are carbon buildup (common across many brands) and expensive maintenance. FCPeuro with their lifetime warranty certainly helps.
Can't speak to the hybrids. I wouldn't buy one of any make.
#700
some TLX customers may have cross-shopped the Accord, but that might change with the new Accord as Honda is dropping the 2.0T in-lieu of a 2.0 hybrid set up. The Accord gets a couple things the TLX should get like a 12" infotainment screen, digital gauges, and rear USB chargers...
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...cord-revealed/
...at least we can say the Accord isn't quicker that a TLX A-spec anymore.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...cord-revealed/
...at least we can say the Accord isn't quicker that a TLX A-spec anymore.
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It's the V8 folks with the issues! I6's have been very stout and reliable, esp once BMW figured out their injector issues almost a decade ago. The 4cyl engines have had timing chain issues that are well known across BMW boards. Whatever you do, don't buy a hybrid BMW, many of those get totaled out as the batteries can be very expensive down the road. You'll see a ton of 2009-2015 Active Hybrid BMW's at copart because the battery is kaput.
Only issues you'll see now are carbon buildup (common across many brands) and expensive maintenance. FCPeuro with their lifetime warranty certainly helps.
Only issues you'll see now are carbon buildup (common across many brands) and expensive maintenance. FCPeuro with their lifetime warranty certainly helps.
It's the difficult engine repairs that I'll dread once/when they come along. BMW's use of plastics for internal engine components or electric water pumps are also frustrating as reliability engineering woulda flagged those parts as not long term. Then putting two hot turbo's in the middle of the V also makes no sense from a thermal management point of view. Top cylinder head fuel injectors that make replacing the cylinder head cover gaskets a 4-6 hour task. I'm used to Honda/Acura cylinder crank seals and cylinder head cover seals lasting 300K+ miles, not 100K
That said, BMW make some fabulous cars that are highly enjoyable to drive. It's the long term ownership (10+ years) that makes ownership difficult for me. Leasing or owning for 5-7 (100k-150k miles) years makes for a much better owner experience.
Old news. The V-8s with the issues were the first generation twin-turbo ones. As the world's first "hot vee" V-8 engines they had more than their share of problems. The engines were almost completely redesigned, with the current ones sharing almost no parts with the original ones. I looked into very carefully before I bought one last year. The 4 cyl timing chain problems were a previous engine that was last made in 2014.
Can't speak to the hybrids. I wouldn't buy one of any make.
Can't speak to the hybrids. I wouldn't buy one of any make.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 11-10-2022 at 12:03 PM.
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#703
some TLX customers may have cross-shopped the Accord, but that might change with the new Accord as Honda is dropping the 2.0T in-lieu of a 2.0 hybrid set up. The Accord gets a couple things the TLX should get like a 12" infotainment screen, digital gauges, and rear USB chargers...
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...cord-revealed/
...at least we can say the Accord isn't quicker that a TLX A-spec anymore.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...cord-revealed/
...at least we can say the Accord isn't quicker that a TLX A-spec anymore.
#704
some TLX customers may have cross-shopped the Accord, but that might change with the new Accord as Honda is dropping the 2.0T in-lieu of a 2.0 hybrid set up. The Accord gets a couple things the TLX should get like a 12" infotainment screen, digital gauges, and rear USB chargers...
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...cord-revealed/
...at least we can say the Accord isn't quicker that a TLX A-spec anymore.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...cord-revealed/
...at least we can say the Accord isn't quicker that a TLX A-spec anymore.
I was about to post that. I am noticing Honda and Acura are making some major changes to their product lines and pricing. For example, recently the price of the new CRV was a bit of a shock, at least in Canada. The base CRV starts at CAD$37K and goes all the way to CAD$51K. that's very high for a CRV to be priced at $51K vs. RDX ASPEC is about the same price in Canada. I have to check what's going in the US.
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I was about to post that. I am noticing Honda and Acura are making some major changes to their product lines and pricing. For example, recently the price of the new CRV was a bit of a shock, at least in Canada. The base CRV starts at CAD$37K and goes all the way to CAD$51K. that's very high for a CRV to be priced at $51K vs. RDX ASPEC is about the same price in Canada. I have to check what's going in the US.
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Tony Pac (11-10-2022)
#707
I quite like the redesign of the Accord, but without the 2.0T, it's completely out of consideration.
#708
I was thinking either this, or ... perhaps they didn't want something like the Accord competing against sales of the upcoming Integra Type-S. With the curb weight being less than 300lbs different, you're likely looking at somewhat similar performance for nearly $10k less with the Accord and a vehicle that's more practical and roomy inside (not to mention an all-around nicer vehicle to drive as a daily).
I quite like the redesign of the Accord, but without the 2.0T, it's completely out of consideration.
I quite like the redesign of the Accord, but without the 2.0T, it's completely out of consideration.
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leomio2.0 (11-10-2022)
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some TLX customers may have cross-shopped the Accord, but that might change with the new Accord as Honda is dropping the 2.0T in-lieu of a 2.0 hybrid set up. The Accord gets a couple things the TLX should get like a 12" infotainment screen, digital gauges, and rear USB chargers...
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...cord-revealed/
...at least we can say the Accord isn't quicker that a TLX A-spec anymore.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...cord-revealed/
...at least we can say the Accord isn't quicker that a TLX A-spec anymore.
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My primary reason for getting the RDX over a CRV was for the 2.0T. It looks like Honda Motors is going to make the C4 2.0T exclusive to the Acura while leaving the only 2.0T on Honda's end to the CTR, which will be its top performance variant. Seems like going forward, their model will be: Go with Honda if you want a neutered commuter with good gas mileage and go with Acura if you want something more upscale along with more performance.
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MarcoTLX (11-10-2022)
#712
The new Accord has a lot going for it and I still prefer this interior layout to Acura's (minus the Integra). Interesting that the Touring only will have Google Maps built in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55jv36CJ67M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng-AvudE7C8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55jv36CJ67M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng-AvudE7C8
#713
The new Accord has a lot going for it and I still prefer this interior layout to Acura's (minus the Integra). Interesting that the Touring only will have Google Maps built in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55jv36CJ67M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng-AvudE7C8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55jv36CJ67M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng-AvudE7C8
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ESHBG (11-13-2022)
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#715
Same; I see the 2G TLX in the proportions of the 11G Accord. That notwithstanding, I'm not feeling this Accord aesthetically. While I didnt like the styling of the 10G either, it at least tried to stand out with a sport Audi A7 type appearance. (sidenote: As far as Accord sedans go, I'd rock a 16-17 Touring V6 all day every day. Too bad they're so expensive still.)
Shame a bunch of those in that search are neutered with the 1.5T . This one looks nice. Might even have Backup-cam and Bluetooth.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...342901604/NONE
#716
Shame a bunch of those in that search are neutered with the 1.5T . This one looks nice. Might even have Backup-cam and Bluetooth.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...342901604/NONE
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases...year-2024-2026
#717
The other manufacturers will likely follow suit with downsizing engines to meet the upcoming MPG mandate. Plus the fact that the K20 is not a very fuel efficient engine.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases...year-2024-2026
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases...year-2024-2026
And without going full-EV, MHEV can net some extra power and well as (more-so) with a PHEV .
But I was responding to post I quoted where poster mentioned 5 year-old used Accords. The old Honda V6 ... while only delivering around 240hp was a nice engine and was often paired with a real automatic transmission (while it's siblings just got a CVT).
#718
Makes sense for Honda to push their hybrid powertrains by eliminating the 2.0T. From what I understand, the latest iteration is actually quite good and competitive, and they desperately need to improve how buyers perceive their electrication efforts if they want to have any shot at staying relevant.
#719
I can understand dropping the 2.0T if the hybrid made just as much power or was faster, but as it stands, the hybrid seems to be no different than the one in the CR-V (tuned for economy and non-sporty driving). So if mpg's and sales volume were the goals, why not drop the 1.5T which shared that same mission anyway? Oh right, because they didn't want to increase the base price, but losing their performance-minded customers was a worthwhile sacrifice (or rather, upselling them to the base TLX to get a slower car with less room for more $$$).
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a35tl (11-21-2022)
#720
I can understand dropping the 2.0T if the hybrid made just as much power or was faster, but as it stands, the hybrid seems to be no different than the one in the CR-V (tuned for economy and non-sporty driving). So if mpg's and sales volume were the goals, why not drop the 1.5T which shared that same mission anyway? Oh right, because they didn't want to increase the base price, but losing their performance-minded customers was a worthwhile sacrifice (or rather, upselling them to the base TLX to get a slower car with less room for more $$$).