KeithL

Wat I meant to say:

I would NOT put the Sonota up against the TLX as the Hyundai materials are not on par with the TLX. I have been in the 15 Genesis now twice and think my 4G AWD materials were a tad better than the new Genesis and seeing how the TLX materials are supposed to be a bit better I suspect the Acura materials are much better. I do not see how a Sonota can compete with a TLX on materials.

CGTSX2004

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Have to agree with you there. Having spent time in both the Sonata and the TLX at the NYIAS, the Sonata's materials continue to not impress me.

That said, I do rather like and prefer the more subdued and natural finish wood grain/texture that Hyundai is using in the 2015 Genesis over the glossed to death stuff that most every other manufacturer, including Acura, is using today.

Treblig

Agreed. But the 3rd Gen TL and the 2nd RL kits were much better suited and fitted than the recent offerings.

weather

I hear ya....I am not a huge fan of the TLX but I want to see it in person, MAYBE it will inspire me. I like the ILX (Dynamic), its a fun little car and in Canada, it comes with the ELS stereo, Nav etc. so that is my backup.

Its hard to beat the price value of the Acura but most importantly, the AMAZING relationship I have with my dealership. I can't justify paying 300-400$ for just the Audi/BMW name....

I want to re-iterate that the TLX is not what I thought it could have been, but its still a decent looking vehicle, at least, I think it will.

mugen_kid

I know silvertl6 posted the front already. I found the rear on acuraconnected and man that looks awful and unfinished. Thoughts?

Rocketsfan

Actually, Acurafiend posted both a few pages ago


https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=640


Like I've been saying, both the front and back look bolted on - kind of like an afterthought.

Timmy18

I hate how it covers half the side of the front bumper and sticks out like it did on the 4G. It's hideous and doesn't flow with the car one bit. Like on the 06-08 TSX aero kits, it covered half the front bumper and just leaves a giant ridge. Hate that.

mugen_kid

My bad, I don't know how I missed that

I agree, I use to be excited about seeing what they came up with their new models as far as factory kits. I guess since they have no need to show exhaust they are able to go half ass on the rear

motegi

I beg to differ. As a long time Acura owner (3 Legends, 2 MDX, 1 NSX-T, and an RL SH-AWD) and having recently purchased a 2015 Genesis 3.8 Tech for the wife I find the interior quality of the new 2nd generation Genesis to be very much on par with Acura and vastly improved over the 1st generation Genesis in both materials and design. Truthfully, the 1st generation Genesis never really impressed me dynamically and I found the interior design and materials to be lacking. But the 2nd generation is an entirely different story and my wife selected it as her next car replacing her Infiniti G-sedan after driving a wide variety of other cars including the Acura TSX and TL.

In addition to the purchase of my wife's 2015 Genesis, I traded in my RL SH-AWD for a Audi A8L V8 Premium in the same week. I honestly think that the Genesis interior quality and amenities compare favorably even to Audi's flagship sedan.

In my opinion the 2015 Genesis 3.8 RWD is really a competitor to the RLX PAWS rather than the TLX. Just take a look at the vehicle dimensions and you will see how close that they are:

2014 RLX PAWS:
MSRP: $50,950 base w/ navi ($60,450 with driver assistance features, CMBS, ACC, LKAS, BSI)
engine: 3.5 liter V6, 310 hp/272 ft-lb
transmission: 6-spd automatic
fuel economy: 20/31 mpg
weight: 3933 lbs
length: 196.1 inches
wheelbase: 112.2 inches
width: 74.4 inches

2015 Genesis 3.8 RWD
MSRP: $38,000 base w/ navi ($45,500 with driver assistance features, auto braking, LKAS, ACC, blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert)
engine: 3.8 liter V6, 311 hp/293 ft-lb
transmission: 8-spd automatic
fuel economy: 18/29 mpg
weight: 4138 lbs
length: 196.5 inches
wheelbase: 118.5 inches
width: 74.4 inches

The Genesis Tech package active driver assistance safety features are impressive and Hyundai's newest generation Blue Link telematics are among the best that I've seen. To get an RLX even close to the same level you need to go all the way up to the Advance level making the price differential much more extreme.

Of course a huge difference between them is the dealer service amenities with most Hyundai Dealer Service Centers being much more down market. Also the resale value is traditionally better with Acura... although my RL SH-AWD really didn't hold it's value well at all.[/QUOTE]

Glashub

Had a 1st gen Genesis. Had no complaints. Car never needed servicing so dealership wasn't an issue. Besides so what? Hyundai offers free wifi and coffee. You just sit in less phony opulence. Ride/handling sucked. By all accounts your Genesis is a big upgrade BUT got a loaded 2012 4.6 for under 40k. A truly great value.

Nabooly

Snap that kit does not look good, especially the front. I like the car more and more each time I see it, but I still wish they wouuld have kept the concept side mirrors.

Goosew

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The A-spec lip kit for the 3G was not very well received when it was first debuted either!.

but like what happened with the 3G, i'm sure we'll be seeing a lot of these on the forums soon enough.

skd2k1

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exactly, even the 4g has grown on me since it's debut.

randomRon82

New commercials for Comedians in Cars getting Coffee....

http://youtu.be/31diiH8GWcQ


http://youtu.be/TGovgJsfnlo

Are we sure those are only accessory wheels? (I saw others mention that they were) They're starting to show up everywhere. Acura previously had three wheel types for base, sh-awd and advance trims so I'm thinking those are actually just a third wheel type. Thoughts?

yooin14

Car looks great in white and silver. Those 19inch rims might be for Sh-Awd with advance trims.

KeithL

Beak and Wheels are only turn offs for me, both tolerable, but soem new wheels and Ronjon magic and the car has potential.

randomRon82

With the amount of money you'd be spending to make it look better (rims, grille, body kits) so on and so forth... you might as well just get one of the other brands that already have those better looking features. It's just not worth it imo.

KeithL

True, but even my A6 I opted for nicer wheels. I hope Hyundai does an R-Spec on the Genesis, the stock wheels on their car suck too. But really wheels and tires on my A6 ran me $2500 and I got Michelin AS/3 tires so really I don;t mind spending that much on a car if it makes it that much nicer.

randomRon82

Let me put it this way... I'm just personally trying to justify spending the extra money on an Audi/MB or BMW.... lol.... so I don't feel bad about it when the time comes.

Fibonacci

Hi gloss wood/fake wood = for old farts.

Tasteful use of real carbon fibre, real brushed aluminum = new classy.

Fibonacci

Memo to Acura: drop the dual screen crap.

Make NAV screen bigger, clearer, richly featured.

Move HVAC controls back to physical buttons, pronto.

Acura_Dude

I like the dual screen setup.

KeithL

Gotcha. I will tell you having driven numerous Acura and Infiniti products and now owning an A6 I suspect will be back with Asian makes because while I love the Audi I struggle to justify the price. I will say if you flip cars before the warranty expires then go for it, but everything on German cars is more expensive, from oil change to insurance to body work, etc. I will be out of the A6 before the warranty is up because I dread the thought of an out of warranty repair. I have 8K miles and the car has been rock solid.

KeithL

I do not agree, they need to improve the execution. I think the Q50 does a decent job of dual screens. Or they can go the Audi route, put a large info display in the guage cluster. Acura's issue is they duplicate functions across the screens and have different conflicting displays and input ways.

randomRon82

The dual screens would be fine if they were executed better and most importantly if Hondas didn't also have them!!! That's bs to me.

KeithL

People complain that Acura and Honda have similar head units, take a look at Infiniti and Nissan, there was much cross breeding there as well with head units.

a35tl

I agree with you. The TLXs in the video are among the nicest looking ones I've seen. Don't love the wheels but they're the best I've seen yet on the car. Also, the silver and white look really good. I, for one, like the front end.

ostrich

I just don't understand why Acura thinks that having funny comedians in their commercials would help them sell their cars. Having seen these clips, I still don't know why I should buy a TLX....

rockyfeller

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For anyone that said they wanted the bodykit to look like the prototype, well hey, that front end is not that far off. I think that angle makes it look bad but it would probably look better if you saw it in person with a drop. The rear hardly looks like anything, but of course that is expected considering there are no exhaust tips.

Soooo what should happen now is that RJ will be smart enough to see the opportunity to make SURE that his bodykit will have quad exhaust cutouts. This way he can sell full bodykits as well as plenty of rear retrofits for the people that opt for the Acura front bodykit. (very similar to the way many of us base 3GTL guys have bought the Type-S A-Spec rear lip to fit quads.)

Then ATLP/RV6 will inevitably jump on board with a catback. But of course these companies will only jump onboard once they see demand.

I am not crazy about this car but I can bet you the first person that mods the car this way with 19" wheels, drop and tint will have us all gawking.

Again I am waiting to hear word about that 300hp+ engine and manual. It might make all the work worth it.

ReLaX

Ditto!

Rocket_man

I'm pretty certain those wheels are accessory wheels. They were also on the car from the NY show. Wheels are about the only cosmetic thing they could have changed on the car during the delay. I'm hoping the lack of sighting of production wheels means they are going to have better wheels at launch. ok... I can hope can't I? The base I4 wheels are I don't mind the wheels on the V6.

My local BMW dealers have a ton of CPO loaner cars. Yes they are loners but the CPO warranty is pretty good and the cars are well maintained. They sell them off as low as 6,000 miles. There may be some good buys on the CPO lot. They may also qualify for new car financing.

I think these are only for internet consumption. I don't expect to see these on TV.

JT4

I agree.

Caddy's original plan for the ATS was for it to take the place of the 2008-2013 CTS so owners of that CTS could move to the ATS as an alternative, as Caddy moved the 2014 CTS upmarket. Problem is, while the ATS is nice it's too small for most 2nd Gen CTS owners to move over to.

So now Cadillac is feeling the effects of pricing themselves out of the market with the 2014. IMO, similar to what Acura has experienced with the RLX before they started to discount it.

Cadillac took a sales success in the 2008-2013 2nd Gen CTS and moved their pricing too far up market with the 2014 which pissed off the CTS loyalists who were looking to trade up, not down (in their opinions) to a smaller ATS.

And the new buyer that Cadillac was/is trying to capture are pricing out a CTS and then realizing that for the same money, or pretty close to it their going to see what Audi, BMW or MB has to offer. And once they do that more times than not they don’t go back.

Someone I know had a relatively loaded 2011 CTS and for him to replace it off lease with a 2014 it would have cost him $15,000 more for a comparable car. He expected to of course pay more for a newer model, but not $15K. He bought a Benz.

Now that they have offered some incentives like a $3,500 owner loyalty rebate and the leases are getting a little better surprise, surprise they’re selling a little better.

SeismicGuy

And remember--this was a comedian whose greatest success was having a show about. . . nothing. Extrapolate that thought.

KeithL

This is the issue I think all the makers face. AS they move up scale their prices get closer to the Germans and with people blinded by badge envy the German win in this scenario most of the time. I liked my M37S, if the 15 Q70 had been out last year I probably would have done another Infiniti, but when I optioned up a 14 Q70 loaded comparable to my A6 there was less than a $2k MSRP difference, and with the A6 I get Quattro. True the Infiniti would have had probably another $3K in discounts I would have gotten over the A6 making the OTD price difference probably closer to $4K-$5K, but when it gets that close it becomes a harder decision. I like the new CTS, but again optioned the way I want it is right up there or more than my A6!! WTF!! I like what GM is doing, but you don;t justify those prices points without earning them and Lexus is probably the only Asian badge that can compete close with the Germans and command the price, but that would be more with the LS, the GS still gets some discounts.

JT4

I agree with everything you said…

And if you take the part of your quote that I put in boldface, and replace “GM” with “Acura” this can apply to the RLX Sport Hybrid.

I have said it before, I like the RLX but if Acura plans on selling the RLX Hybrid close to $70K +/- (regardless of how good it may be) it’s going to be a disaster.

Same with the TLX, a loaded TLX SH in the $50K - $53K range IMO is going to be a tough sell.. But then again I'm sure the 4 cylinder base or Tech TLX is going to be the bread and butter of the line anyway..

KeithL

If you look at Infinit I bet few people get the $52K loaded Q50, but they move a tone of the base or base + premium cars. I suspect as you mentioned Acura will be the same, the I4 and base V6 will move like crazy and the Advance AWD will be limited volume.

Colin

^^ IMO, it's the same at all pricing stops along the automotive 'pecking order'.

docboy

internalaudit

When does Android Auto come to Acura? Or will it be available on Honda first?

http://www.android.com/auto/

silverTL6

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Hope these aren't a repost