TLX in the wild... and new pics
#681
Suzuka Master
With the Germans entering the $30K-$40K space everything in that price point will have to work harder since many people do not look past the badge and will buy German just to have the German badge.
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#683
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#685
06 TL 6MT + 18 ATS-V 8AT
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Hmm...so the 3G TL A-Spec concept's design became the basis for the 3G Type-S, and it seems the 5G prototype's design has become the basis for the 5G A-Spec. Hope that doesn't give em an excuse to give up on the 5G Type-S :-(
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#687
imo it doesn't look any worse that a Q50. They took the minimalist approach and kept scoops and swirls to a minimum. Also, I think the interior looks nice and pretty premium for the price point (from the pics at least). I have a 2014 IS and some would argue that it's overly wrought i.e. too much going on. One thing the IS does accomplish though is that it looks low and long from certain angles.
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I guess I'll disagree with you 4G and ZDX owners and say I'm thankful they went backwards so to speak and adopt some of the characteristics of the 3G. Acura should not have strayed too far away from the concept but still, IMHO this thing look hands down better than the 4G. Moreover, the 4G, should not have been the 5G. It was way too polarizing of a design that destroyed Acura in 2009.
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#691
Maybe there are others, but I can't recall two different models from the same manufacturer that share such strong design language; the ILX and TLX look very much alike other than the size. I do think the body lines work much better on the larger TLX. The ILX is too small for the the TLX lines to work themselves out naturally so why they tried so hard to make them look the same is beyond me...oh yeah, Acura has no soul, no real "car guys" at the helm. Just a bunch of engineers and marketing teams faking it and hoping we won't notice. Lame.
#692
As others have said, I think that the lighter colors look better....white and silver. The blue seems to hide the lines of the side. If only the white could hide the front end a little better.
Surprised that they went with blue for showing off the model. I am sure (kinda) that it will drive great, but I just find the exterior design so bland, except for the grill which I still do not like. My 3G has 171k and hopefully will get me through another couple of years in time for a mid year revision.
Surprised that they went with blue for showing off the model. I am sure (kinda) that it will drive great, but I just find the exterior design so bland, except for the grill which I still do not like. My 3G has 171k and hopefully will get me through another couple of years in time for a mid year revision.
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#694
Burning Brakes
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Lmfao! Sttttop. Haha.. I guess they worked for Acura, they were locking the vehicle up... But everyone that walked past while I was there seemed very unimpressed. They looked at the car for 5 seconds and walked on by.
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#697
I wonder what guys at Acura think when they read/hear about how critical we are of their designs and implementation of products. It has to hurt a little....They can't be that dumb and not browse what we write here. I know we are enthusiast and they can't develop an entire brand only for us, but you also have to remember that enthusiast are also very loyal and they should be listening to some of our comments and adjust accordingly.
I know people say bring a RWD plateform, bring a V8 etc.
I am realistic, that will not happen (not that they can't, they just won't and I am not here to argue to economics of the decision). That being said, you just don't spend all this energy developing a fine piece of technology and give it a style that few appreciate. You can be aggressive without polarizing...look at most brand out there if you don't believe me. Give it decent wheels...copy another brand if you can't come up with your own.
At the end end of the day, we want a car that is fun to drive, great on fuel but ALSO, nice to look at! The prototype was loved by all.....the bodykit they gave us is another tacked on piece that doesn't flow well in the rear. Have you guys seen the kit on the ILX, it looks MUCH better!!
Why could they come up with a total rear/front bumper for the 09-11 TSX and can't give us something similar for the TLX?
I know I get some flack for bashing Acura....I love the brand, I really do but it just pisses me off that they go almost all the way and stop short! Its like pulling out before having an orgasm! I mean who does that?!?!
Sad part is I'll either have a TLX in my driveway next spring (white with a bodykit) or an ILX Dynamic in white with a bodykit
I know people say bring a RWD plateform, bring a V8 etc.
I am realistic, that will not happen (not that they can't, they just won't and I am not here to argue to economics of the decision). That being said, you just don't spend all this energy developing a fine piece of technology and give it a style that few appreciate. You can be aggressive without polarizing...look at most brand out there if you don't believe me. Give it decent wheels...copy another brand if you can't come up with your own.
At the end end of the day, we want a car that is fun to drive, great on fuel but ALSO, nice to look at! The prototype was loved by all.....the bodykit they gave us is another tacked on piece that doesn't flow well in the rear. Have you guys seen the kit on the ILX, it looks MUCH better!!
Why could they come up with a total rear/front bumper for the 09-11 TSX and can't give us something similar for the TLX?
I know I get some flack for bashing Acura....I love the brand, I really do but it just pisses me off that they go almost all the way and stop short! Its like pulling out before having an orgasm! I mean who does that?!?!
Sad part is I'll either have a TLX in my driveway next spring (white with a bodykit) or an ILX Dynamic in white with a bodykit
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#698
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What exactly are you expecting or complaining about? it's the same company making the ILX and TLX and wanting to create some consistent design language across their lineup.
#699
Okay the forums were ablaze with how polarizing the 4g was and it didn't sell. Now most everyone posts about how it's so bland. I'm sure they learned to tune us out long ago.
#700
Instructor
Motor Trend Magazine in the WOT blog asked the question "Refreshing or Revolting" regarding the new TLX. The comments posted by readers were almost universally negative.
http://wot.motortrend.com/1406_refre..._2015_tlx.html
http://wot.motortrend.com/1406_refre..._2015_tlx.html
#701
Volvo Defector
I see a lot of people comparing the TLX to the Kia Optima/Hyundai Sonata. Not sure how many of you have been watching the new 2015 Sonata but I saw and sat in it in person at the NY Auto Show. The interior has definitely gone up scale. They also announced a new powertrain combo 1.6T with 7 Speed DCT tranny rated 28/28mpg. The hp is down at 177hp but torque is up at 195lbs. DCT's are all new for Kia/Hyundai and new in the mid size sedan segment. A fully loaded 2015 Sonata hovers at $35k which includes everything but a kitchen sink.
2015 Hyundai Sonata Eco nets 38 mpg from 1.6L turbo, 7-speed DCT
Pictured below Sonata 2.0T Notice the Quad exhaust?
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Pictured below Sonata 2.0T
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Pictured below Sonata 2.0T interior with D shaped steering wheel. I noticed there's an "Auto Hold" button in front of the arm rest. A feature luxury cars have. I believe only the TLX V6 and up come with this feature.
2015 Hyundai Sonata Eco nets 38 mpg from 1.6L turbo, 7-speed DCT
Pictured below Sonata 2.0T Notice the Quad exhaust?
![](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/images/home/breakthrough/general/2015/sonata/gallery/exterior/expand/2015-sonata-23.jpg)
Pictured below Sonata 2.0T
![](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/images/home/breakthrough/general/2015/sonata/gallery/exterior/Expand/2015-sonata-14.jpg)
Pictured below Sonata 2.0T interior with D shaped steering wheel. I noticed there's an "Auto Hold" button in front of the arm rest. A feature luxury cars have. I believe only the TLX V6 and up come with this feature.
![](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/images/home/breakthrough/general/2015/sonata/gallery/interior/expand/2015-sonata-06.jpg)
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#702
Burning Brakes
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Motor Trend Magazine in the WOT blog asked the question "Refreshing or Revolting" regarding the new TLX. The comments posted by readers were almost universally negative.
http://wot.motortrend.com/1406_refre..._2015_tlx.html
http://wot.motortrend.com/1406_refre..._2015_tlx.html
Anyway, just a warning, if you read the comments you'll probably get upset
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#703
I don't care what the commenters have to say. Read the article -- Motor Trend loves the changes -- from every angle -- interior included. I find most commenters have agendas.
#704
Suzuka Master
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The TLX does show evolved progression from the 3rd Gen however that evolution seems a tad lackluster in contrary to todays aggressive design. Many blogs mentioned Acura has not taken the initiative to "listen" but rather act on their own and wishing that the new "green" design will attract a different audience. My 07 is aging and the TLX allure factor just isn't quite there. For the price value I can get a c-350. Shurgs.
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fwiw, I've had many a kia/hyundai for a rental car and imo they are not on par with acura.
#705
Interesting they put the gas door right on the two body lines, I would think you wouldn't want to break those up, hope the door never gets a little misaligned, might look funny
Not in the market for a new car, but if I was, it'd be Lexus, I like the aggressive styling on all their models
Not in the market for a new car, but if I was, it'd be Lexus, I like the aggressive styling on all their models
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#707
Suzuka Master
I see a lot of people comparing the TLX to the Kia Optima/Hyundai Sonata. Not sure how many of you have been watching the new 2015 Sonata but I saw and sat in it in person at the NY Auto Show. The interior has definitely gone up scale. They also announced a new powertrain combo 1.6T with 7 Speed DCT tranny rated 28/28mpg. The hp is down at 177hp but torque is up at 195lbs. DCT's are all new for Kia/Hyundai and new in the mid size sedan segment. A fully loaded 2015 Sonata hovers at $35k which includes everything but a kitchen sink.
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#708
Azine Jabroni
I would. It put the Sonota up against the TLX as the Hyundai materials are not on par with the TLX. I have been in then15 Genesis now twice and think my 4G AWD materials were a tad better than the new Genesis and seeing how the TLX materials are supposed to be a bit better I suspect the Acura materials are much better.
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#709
Three Wheelin'
And for that matter the same can be said about Audi, with the A7 being the only one that shows any distinct different (mainly being the rear sloped design).
Buy hey, what do I know...if Acurazine says otherwise, then it has to be true...
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#711
It says that the design was ahead of its time in '09 and the TLX seems like a more natural transition from the 3G. The 4G design should've been the TLX.
#713
I happen to think the 4G TL and ZDX were very aggressive. Both were not the best sellers, but that's because most buyers were turned off by the original beak. I bet had the 09 TL debuted with the toned down '12 refresh beak, it would've sold better. In the case of the ZDX, it was marketed all wrong, priced too high, and the lack of rear headroom and cargo space is what turned most people off (that and with the RDX and MDX, there really wasn't much need for the ZDX). Lexus never really offered aggressive designs in the past either, but now look at their current line-up. I still think the TLX is bland. The average car buyer (that keeps cars for awhile and don't trade every 2-3 years) wants an exterior styling that will stand the test of time and not look dated years down the line. In the case of the TLX, it already looks dated upon arrival. If this thing doesn't sell well, I foresee a big mid year refresh coming.
#714
The 3G was released when Acura was at its peak. Most luxury buyers jumped ship since then and Acura still hasn't bounced back from that. Comparing 4G sales now to when it was still a new design in '09 doesn't really make sense. It is a 6 year old design. Of course sales will not be the best now. It is selling in the used market though. I see tons of older ones on the road now. And I for one have never understood the big deal about the 3G. In my opinion, is is just an okay looking car but definitely doesn't turn heads. During that time I may would have considered a Type-S just because of my loyalty to Honda/Acura, but once I saw the 4G I was sold. Then the ZDX just solidified it for me.
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#715
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I happen to think the 4G TL and ZDX were very aggressive. Both were not the best sellers, but that's because most buyers were turned off by the original beak. I bet had the 09 TL debuted with the toned down '12 refresh beak, it would've sold better. In the case of the ZDX, it was marketed all wrong, priced too high, and the lack of rear headroom and cargo space is what turned most people off (that and with the RDX and MDX, there really wasn't much need for the ZDX). Lexus never really offered aggressive designs in the past either, but now look at their current line-up. I still think the TLX is bland. The average car buyer (that keeps cars for awhile and don't trade every 2-3 years) wants an exterior styling that will stand the test of time and not look dated years down the line. In the case of the TLX, it already looks dated upon arrival. If this thing doesn't sell well, I foresee a big mid year refresh coming.
The 3G was released when Acura was at its peak. Most luxury buyers jumped ship since then and Acura still hasn't bounced back from that. Comparing 4G sales now to when it was still a new design in '09 doesn't really make sense. It is a 6 year old design. Of course sales will not be the best now. It is selling in the used market though. I see tons of older ones on the road now. And I for one have never understood the big deal about the 3G. In my opinion, that is not an attractive car.
looks are somewhat subjective, but I think the facts speak for themselves: 4g was not a good seller compared to 3g. the tlx builds on the '12 refresh and improves. my bet is that the tlx will outsell the 4g.
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#716
Maybe there are others, but I can't recall two different models from the same manufacturer that share such strong design language; the ILX and TLX look very much alike other than the size. I do think the body lines work much better on the larger TLX. The ILX is too small for the the TLX lines to work themselves out naturally so why they tried so hard to make them look the same is beyond me...oh yeah, Acura has no soul, no real "car guys" at the helm. Just a bunch of engineers and marketing teams faking it and hoping we won't notice. Lame.
Respectfully, I can think of a few. The is and es 350, BMW 3,5 series, most of the Audis, the C and E class MB, etc.
Most car manufacturers seek brand identity through a common design language or some visual cue. My niece bought a 2014 es350, said it was too big and traded it back in for the smaller is 350 and is much happier. From Hyundai to Ferrari I think a common design language is a sought after commodity. Don't like one model? They've got something similar in a different size or price point.
I've checked out the ILX forums and some of those guys have that car looking really good. I've no doubt there are some future 5G owners that will do the same shortly. They're similar but you'll know the difference.
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#718
Three Wheelin'
I'm looking forward to hopefully see Acura up the luxury and performance level on that thing so I can keep leasing one for my wife, but really have it as my secret "sporty fun" driver. I would love to drive a 2.4L with P-AWS, better suspension and better interior cabin noise reduction. Should make for quick well-handled zippy ride that feels "nice" to drive inside.
#719
Pro
That's the thing when an auto maker tries to jazz up a ho-hum boring design with things like underbody kits and such. The tacked on plastic pieces end up looking like . . . .tacked on plastic pieces. Such is the case with a white TL California edition I see every day parked where I work. The more time passes the lousier the tacked on plastic pieces look.
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#720
Three Wheelin'
"I see a lot of people comparing the TLX to the Kia Optima/Hyundai Sonata".
While this is a good comparison for the 4-cylinder TLX I think a better comparison for the other trim levels is the Azera/Cadenza. It appears to me that they are what the TL was originally designed to be - a comfortable, sporty looking car with loads of technology - and what I hope the TLX V-6 will be. While I still think Acura builds a better product than the Koreans the Koreans are now building the car that attracted me to Acura in the first place 14 years ago. Difference for me will probably depend on TLX pricing although I've not yet ruled out Lexus ES. Hurry up Acura - bring it out!
While this is a good comparison for the 4-cylinder TLX I think a better comparison for the other trim levels is the Azera/Cadenza. It appears to me that they are what the TL was originally designed to be - a comfortable, sporty looking car with loads of technology - and what I hope the TLX V-6 will be. While I still think Acura builds a better product than the Koreans the Koreans are now building the car that attracted me to Acura in the first place 14 years ago. Difference for me will probably depend on TLX pricing although I've not yet ruled out Lexus ES. Hurry up Acura - bring it out!