Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
07-08-2009, 03:44 AM
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If you are running around with 400+ HP and TQ at the wheels its who get on the gas first that is winning the race. Most Corvette or Mustang guys are not going to race you until it is too late(155MPH).
I have come up on so many hot cars and they don't down shift enough or at all and think they can pull away. I ran a 650i BMW 3-4 times and even with the padles he couldn't get it right.
I have come up on so many hot cars and they don't down shift enough or at all and think they can pull away. I ran a 650i BMW 3-4 times and even with the padles he couldn't get it right.
And even with 400Hp, I'm not seeing the TL run any of the major Corvettes around DFW considering they're all 500Hp+ monsters. Our Cobras aren't far behind, either.
Which is my point. If we're talking about stomping 'Vettes/Cobras, I'm hoping we're referring to modified ones, because it won't take much for a stock Corvette/Cobra owner to leave us standing still.
07-08-2009, 06:50 PM
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Lots of misinformation going on the last few pages. Its all about whp and curb weight when it comes to roll/drag racing. Lets take the 04 6spd Turbo TL in this thread with his 437 whp and compare it to a 2006+ z06 corvette.
Z06 stock 1/4 mile time:11.60's-11.70's at approx 123-124mph trap speed
z06 curb wieght: approx 3250
z06 whp: approx 440-445
04 Turbo TL 6spd estimated 1/4 mile time (with traction, which we know it wont have, but if it did): 12.00-12.10's at approx 120mph trap speed, even though they have approx the same whp, the curb weight allows the z06 to be faster because the TL's 6spd curb weight is aprox 300-350lbs heavier. Using the old school drag racing formula: every 100pds or 10whp equals .1sec and 1mph in the quarter. You can use this formula to calculate nearly every vehicle quarter mile et and trapspeed until you start getting into the sub 10 second cars where generally you have to start making more power than 10whp to cut .1sec or add trapspeed.
So realistically (im guessing here since we are not sure of the reliable power the stock internals can handle) we should be able to reliably see apprx 400whp from a base TL which would mean that with traction mid 12's at approx 115mph should be the norm. That is comparable to a 2006+ M5 or 02-04 C5 Z06 or an 03-04 cobra with a tune/filter only. Not shabby by any means, but those of you tauting how we will blow corvettes and cobras off the road are sadly mistaken as these cars can be turned into beasts with just a few thousand dollars worth of work, in which we will be pushing the envelope to hang with these cars in stock trim. Dont get me wrong, it will still be fun to have a boosted TL because lets face it, no one expects these cars to be respectable when it comes to performance (atleast not the vette, cobra, bmw M crowd)
Z06 stock 1/4 mile time:11.60's-11.70's at approx 123-124mph trap speed
z06 curb wieght: approx 3250
z06 whp: approx 440-445
04 Turbo TL 6spd estimated 1/4 mile time (with traction, which we know it wont have, but if it did): 12.00-12.10's at approx 120mph trap speed, even though they have approx the same whp, the curb weight allows the z06 to be faster because the TL's 6spd curb weight is aprox 300-350lbs heavier. Using the old school drag racing formula: every 100pds or 10whp equals .1sec and 1mph in the quarter. You can use this formula to calculate nearly every vehicle quarter mile et and trapspeed until you start getting into the sub 10 second cars where generally you have to start making more power than 10whp to cut .1sec or add trapspeed.
So realistically (im guessing here since we are not sure of the reliable power the stock internals can handle) we should be able to reliably see apprx 400whp from a base TL which would mean that with traction mid 12's at approx 115mph should be the norm. That is comparable to a 2006+ M5 or 02-04 C5 Z06 or an 03-04 cobra with a tune/filter only. Not shabby by any means, but those of you tauting how we will blow corvettes and cobras off the road are sadly mistaken as these cars can be turned into beasts with just a few thousand dollars worth of work, in which we will be pushing the envelope to hang with these cars in stock trim. Dont get me wrong, it will still be fun to have a boosted TL because lets face it, no one expects these cars to be respectable when it comes to performance (atleast not the vette, cobra, bmw M crowd)
07-08-2009, 07:02 PM
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Lots of misinformation going on the last few pages. Its all about whp and curb weight when it comes to roll/drag racing. Lets take the 04 6spd Turbo TL in this thread with his 437 whp and compare it to a 2006+ z06 corvette.
Z06 stock 1/4 mile time:11.60's-11.70's at approx 123-124mph trap speed
z06 curb wieght: approx 3250
z06 whp: approx 440-445
04 Turbo TL 6spd estimated 1/4 mile time (with traction, which we know it wont have, but if it did): 12.00-12.10's at approx 120mph trap speed, even though they have approx the same whp, the curb weight allows the z06 to be faster because the TL's 6spd curb weight is aprox 300-350lbs heavier. Using the old school drag racing formula: every 100pds or 10whp equals .1sec and 1mph in the quarter. You can use this formula to calculate nearly every vehicle quarter mile et and trapspeed until you start getting into the sub 10 second cars where generally you have to start making more power than 10whp to cut .1sec or add trapspeed.
So realistically (im guessing here since we are not sure of the reliable power the stock internals can handle) we should be able to reliably see apprx 400whp from a base TL which would mean that with traction mid 12's at approx 115mph should be the norm. That is comparable to a 2006+ M5 or 02-04 C5 Z06 or an 03-04 cobra with a tune/filter only. Not shabby by any means, but those of you tauting how we will blow corvettes and cobras off the road are sadly mistaken as these cars can be turned into beasts with just a few thousand dollars worth of work, in which we will be pushing the envelope to hang with these cars in stock trim. Dont get me wrong, it will still be fun to have a boosted TL because lets face it, no one expects these cars to be respectable when it comes to performance (atleast not the vette, cobra, bmw M crowd)
Z06 stock 1/4 mile time:11.60's-11.70's at approx 123-124mph trap speed
z06 curb wieght: approx 3250
z06 whp: approx 440-445
04 Turbo TL 6spd estimated 1/4 mile time (with traction, which we know it wont have, but if it did): 12.00-12.10's at approx 120mph trap speed, even though they have approx the same whp, the curb weight allows the z06 to be faster because the TL's 6spd curb weight is aprox 300-350lbs heavier. Using the old school drag racing formula: every 100pds or 10whp equals .1sec and 1mph in the quarter. You can use this formula to calculate nearly every vehicle quarter mile et and trapspeed until you start getting into the sub 10 second cars where generally you have to start making more power than 10whp to cut .1sec or add trapspeed.
So realistically (im guessing here since we are not sure of the reliable power the stock internals can handle) we should be able to reliably see apprx 400whp from a base TL which would mean that with traction mid 12's at approx 115mph should be the norm. That is comparable to a 2006+ M5 or 02-04 C5 Z06 or an 03-04 cobra with a tune/filter only. Not shabby by any means, but those of you tauting how we will blow corvettes and cobras off the road are sadly mistaken as these cars can be turned into beasts with just a few thousand dollars worth of work, in which we will be pushing the envelope to hang with these cars in stock trim. Dont get me wrong, it will still be fun to have a boosted TL because lets face it, no one expects these cars to be respectable when it comes to performance (atleast not the vette, cobra, bmw M crowd)
It would then appear that to really hang, we'd have to completely modify the internals & who knows what else b/c honestly, I don't see stock parts lasting with anything more than 500Hp.
07-08-2009, 07:11 PM
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I don't deny that even a boosted TL would have trouble hanging with Z06s and Cobras, but can your sports car do this? :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foeTA...om=PL&index=20
On a serious note, at least the turbo will actually give these cars a considerable amount of low-end torque. It'll shut up those guys who say Honda engines make no torque.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foeTA...om=PL&index=20
On a serious note, at least the turbo will actually give these cars a considerable amount of low-end torque. It'll shut up those guys who say Honda engines make no torque.
07-08-2009, 07:20 PM
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Lots of misinformation going on the last few pages. Its all about whp and curb weight when it comes to roll/drag racing. Lets take the 04 6spd Turbo TL in this thread with his 437 whp and compare it to a 2006+ z06 corvette.
Z06 stock 1/4 mile time:11.60's-11.70's at approx 123-124mph trap speed
z06 curb wieght: approx 3250
z06 whp: approx 440-445
04 Turbo TL 6spd estimated 1/4 mile time (with traction, which we know it wont have, but if it did): 12.00-12.10's at approx 120mph trap speed, even though they have approx the same whp, the curb weight allows the z06 to be faster because the TL's 6spd curb weight is aprox 300-350lbs heavier. Using the old school drag racing formula: every 100pds or 10whp equals .1sec and 1mph in the quarter. You can use this formula to calculate nearly every vehicle quarter mile et and trapspeed until you start getting into the sub 10 second cars where generally you have to start making more power than 10whp to cut .1sec or add trapspeed.
So realistically (im guessing here since we are not sure of the reliable power the stock internals can handle) we should be able to reliably see apprx 400whp from a base TL which would mean that with traction mid 12's at approx 115mph should be the norm. That is comparable to a 2006+ M5 or 02-04 C5 Z06 or an 03-04 cobra with a tune/filter only. Not shabby by any means, but those of you tauting how we will blow corvettes and cobras off the road are sadly mistaken as these cars can be turned into beasts with just a few thousand dollars worth of work, in which we will be pushing the envelope to hang with these cars in stock trim. Dont get me wrong, it will still be fun to have a boosted TL because lets face it, no one expects these cars to be respectable when it comes to performance (atleast not the vette, cobra, bmw M crowd)
Z06 stock 1/4 mile time:11.60's-11.70's at approx 123-124mph trap speed
z06 curb wieght: approx 3250
z06 whp: approx 440-445
04 Turbo TL 6spd estimated 1/4 mile time (with traction, which we know it wont have, but if it did): 12.00-12.10's at approx 120mph trap speed, even though they have approx the same whp, the curb weight allows the z06 to be faster because the TL's 6spd curb weight is aprox 300-350lbs heavier. Using the old school drag racing formula: every 100pds or 10whp equals .1sec and 1mph in the quarter. You can use this formula to calculate nearly every vehicle quarter mile et and trapspeed until you start getting into the sub 10 second cars where generally you have to start making more power than 10whp to cut .1sec or add trapspeed.
So realistically (im guessing here since we are not sure of the reliable power the stock internals can handle) we should be able to reliably see apprx 400whp from a base TL which would mean that with traction mid 12's at approx 115mph should be the norm. That is comparable to a 2006+ M5 or 02-04 C5 Z06 or an 03-04 cobra with a tune/filter only. Not shabby by any means, but those of you tauting how we will blow corvettes and cobras off the road are sadly mistaken as these cars can be turned into beasts with just a few thousand dollars worth of work, in which we will be pushing the envelope to hang with these cars in stock trim. Dont get me wrong, it will still be fun to have a boosted TL because lets face it, no one expects these cars to be respectable when it comes to performance (atleast not the vette, cobra, bmw M crowd)
07-08-2009, 07:28 PM
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A lot of other posts were stating how we should be able to beat z06's and cobras etc....thats what I was addressing, now IF innacurates TL was making 430whp weighing under 3000lbs then it would be able to compete with an 06+ Z06 IF it had traction, which will be just as big a project as the turbo itself. These cars will shine from a roll with the turbo, not at the strip until the traction issue is addressed.
07-08-2009, 07:38 PM
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I don't deny that even a boosted TL would have trouble hanging with Z06s and Cobras, but can your sports car do this? :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foeTA...om=PL&index=20
On a serious note, at least the turbo will actually give these cars a considerable amount of low-end torque. It'll shut up those guys who say Honda engines make no torque.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foeTA...om=PL&index=20
On a serious note, at least the turbo will actually give these cars a considerable amount of low-end torque. It'll shut up those guys who say Honda engines make no torque.
Lol, thats hilarious, Im gonna try that next time im in the car. But on a serious note, we know Honda engines do not make any torque N/A, and they still dont with the turbo. Most turbo cars make A LOT more torque than HP on the dyno. 437 whp is impressive, but 409 ft lbs of tq isnt really for a turbo motor. So this really wont quite down the people who say that Honda motors dont make any torque. For instance an 06+ M5 make 500hp (flywheel), while only making 395ft lbs of torque, so the same argument could be made for that car, no torque compared to hp.
07-08-2009, 10:25 PM
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I don't deny that even a boosted TL would have trouble hanging with Z06s and Cobras, but can your sports car do this? :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foeTA...om=PL&index=20
On a serious note, at least the turbo will actually give these cars a considerable amount of low-end torque. It'll shut up those guys who say Honda engines make no torque.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foeTA...om=PL&index=20
On a serious note, at least the turbo will actually give these cars a considerable amount of low-end torque. It'll shut up those guys who say Honda engines make no torque.
07-08-2009, 11:20 PM
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Those Z06's do low 12's, right ? I estimate that I was doing approx mid to low 13's before the XLR8 j-pipe. This is strictly quessing on my part based on my opponents that I have taken-down (incl some load thumper motorcycles).
Now that I have the XLR8 j-pipe..... D A M N N N !!!!! This is the single biggest boost in power of all my bolt-ons (but, bolt-offs still added more
). This is just my third day with the pipe. I nearly shit in my pants today with how hard it pulls with the pipe. Damnnnn. I estimate that I am at extremely low 13's now.... possibly 13.0 
.To provide some basis of comparision, I estimate (based on some math and applied logic) that an oem weight TL would need approx 340 whp to equal my performance. BTW, I put nearly all hp to the ground with minimum spinning thanks to Black 75A IM mounts, sticky PS2 tires, and nearly no weight anywhere except over the driving wheels.
07-08-2009, 11:39 PM
#1455
I am Not able to hang with a Z06. Those Z06's do low 12's, right ?
I estimate that I was doing approx mid to low 13's before the XLR8 j-pipe. This is strictly quessing on my part based on my opponents that I have taken-down (incl some load thumper motorcycles).
Now that I have the XLR8 j-pipe..... D A M N N N !!!!! This is the single biggest boost in power of all my bolt-ons (but, bolt-offs still added more). This is just my third day with the pipe. I nearly shit in my pants today with how hard it pulls with the pipe. Damnnnn. I estimate that I am at extremely low 13's now.... possibly 13.0 .
To provide some basis of comparision, I estimate (based on some math and applied logic) that an oem weight TL would need approx 340 whp to equal my performance. BTW, I put nearly all hp to the ground with minimum spinning thanks to Black 75A IM mounts, sticky PS2 tires, and nearly no weight anywhere except over the driving wheels.
Those Z06's do low 12's, right ? I estimate that I was doing approx mid to low 13's before the XLR8 j-pipe. This is strictly quessing on my part based on my opponents that I have taken-down (incl some load thumper motorcycles).
Now that I have the XLR8 j-pipe..... D A M N N N !!!!! This is the single biggest boost in power of all my bolt-ons (but, bolt-offs still added more
). This is just my third day with the pipe. I nearly shit in my pants today with how hard it pulls with the pipe. Damnnnn. I estimate that I am at extremely low 13's now.... possibly 13.0 .To provide some basis of comparision, I estimate (based on some math and applied logic) that an oem weight TL would need approx 340 whp to equal my performance. BTW, I put nearly all hp to the ground with minimum spinning thanks to Black 75A IM mounts, sticky PS2 tires, and nearly no weight anywhere except over the driving wheels.
07-09-2009, 12:01 AM
#1456
Burning Brakes
Lol, thats hilarious, Im gonna try that next time im in the car. But on a serious note, we know Honda engines do not make any torque N/A, and they still dont with the turbo. Most turbo cars make A LOT more torque than HP on the dyno. 437 whp is impressive, but 409 ft lbs of tq isnt really for a turbo motor. So this really wont quite down the people who say that Honda motors dont make any torque. For instance an 06+ M5 make 500hp (flywheel), while only making 395ft lbs of torque, so the same argument could be made for that car, no torque compared to hp.
For example, my A3 makes ~300 ft-lbs at the flywheel by 3k RPM, but due to the small size of the turbo, torque drops considerably by the time I'm close to redline (it only makes around 210 by then.)
07-09-2009, 03:08 AM
#1457
you guys can compare and speculate all day long, BUT until inaccurate or one of the turbo TL's get their cars on the track for some "real world" numbers, then we'll talk. meanwhile, lets just stick to what this thread is all about 
besides, until someone finds a way to get all this power planted to the ground reliably without grenading parts, you can keep dreaming about hitting mid 12's, let alone 11's
besides, until someone finds a way to get all this power planted to the ground reliably without grenading parts, you can keep dreaming about hitting mid 12's, let alone 11's
07-09-2009, 06:16 AM
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Former Whyner
Rodney I think we need another batch of updates vids and pics: NOWWWWW 
07-09-2009, 07:36 AM
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Regarding being on topic.... This is not meant as arguing, but to point out that our rambling is germane/relevant to putting a turbo on the TL. As seen by the questions being asked, many are wondering what to expect, performance wise, if the TL did have 400 whp (aka, turbo). For example - If the TL had a turbo, how quick would it be ? If the TL had a turbo, could the power be utilized other than making tire smoke ?
07-09-2009, 01:09 PM
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Burning Brakes
07-09-2009, 01:57 PM
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Burning Brakes
07-09-2009, 02:01 PM
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Burning Brakes
On a quick note no need to worry if kit will be released , because it will right now I'm waiting to get info for becoming a vendor then we can get things going ...
07-09-2009, 02:28 PM
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Rodney, how's the 437Hp been working on daily drives? Is it making you wish for more boost? 
J/k, mate. Don't want you to kill this baby.
J/k, mate. Don't want you to kill this baby.
07-09-2009, 03:03 PM
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07-09-2009, 03:11 PM
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NVA-AV6: "Well, testing is done for a while, just blew the engine , I guess running 12PSI on a 100K+ mile J30A4 wasn't such a good idea.......
Without tearing it apart, it looks like the front pre-cat came apart and sent catalyist chunks back in and wiped out the front bank of cylinders, but the SC is still running great, LOL"
Without tearing it apart, it looks like the front pre-cat came apart and sent catalyist chunks back in and wiped out the front bank of cylinders, but the SC is still running great, LOL"
07-09-2009, 03:34 PM
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edit: ^just saw your 2nd post.. wow..
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07-09-2009, 03:45 PM
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I have been through about half of this thread and all i can say is WOW. I guess My several month hiatus from AZine has had me under a "TURBO" rock.
I coudn't find an estimated price... Is their one?
I coudn't find an estimated price... Is their one?
07-09-2009, 04:15 PM
#1475
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This is only a discussion about turbo's on the 2 TL's. Otherwise the thread can be shutdown.
07-09-2009, 05:39 PM
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so this DIY-able turbo isn't gonna just be for the anxious people that just want it. Is this gonna need to be done at a reputable shop... are we gonna need custom exhaust? custom intake? or more? a little lost at what its gonna take to bolt this up and it be turbo ready
07-09-2009, 07:11 PM
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you guys can compare and speculate all day long, BUT until inaccurate or one of the turbo TL's get their cars on the track for some "real world" numbers, then we'll talk. meanwhile, lets just stick to what this thread is all about
besides, until someone finds a way to get all this power planted to the ground reliably without grenading parts, you can keep dreaming about hitting mid 12's, let alone 11's
besides, until someone finds a way to get all this power planted to the ground reliably without grenading parts, you can keep dreaming about hitting mid 12's, let alone 11's
Well there's not much speculating what a 430whp full weight TL will run with traction and a decent driver. Its very easy to calculate a vehicles et/trap speed using the old drag racing formula. Works 95% of the time. But you are right, the real world numbers will vary, elevation, ambient temp, humidity, and the biggest......traction. And yes owners will break thier fair share of axles and burn up a few tranny's before a happy medium is reached. But in the meantime, the roll races will be alot of fun
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Regarding being on topic.... This is not meant as arguing, but to point out that our rambling is germane/relevant to putting a turbo on the TL. As seen by the questions being asked, many are wondering what to expect, performance wise, if the TL did have 400 whp (aka, turbo). For example - If the TL had a turbo, how quick would it be ? If the TL had a turbo, could the power be utilized other than making tire smoke ?
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