Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
07-01-2009, 11:51 PM
#1361
Originally Posted by RonJonTL757
I agree cant wait to smoke a 335i
07-02-2009, 06:43 AM
#1362
Burning Brakes
I have tq say thanks first but man I think you've done more than enough , just by sharing all those valuable info...
07-02-2009, 03:40 PM
#1364
Former Whyner
07-02-2009, 07:09 PM
#1365
Burning Brakes
I'm gonna bring it to the track but with stock mounts I would be asking for trouble... Funds are low so for right now I'm just putting miles on kit and bringing car in for checkups , oil pressure , compression & Data logging so tuner know exactly what's going on....can't wait to have new revision done...
07-02-2009, 07:17 PM
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I'm gonna bring it to the track but with stock mounts I would be asking for trouble... Funds are low so for right now I'm just putting miles on kit and bringing car in for checkups , oil pressure , compression & Data logging so tuner know exactly what's going on....can't wait to have new revision done...
07-03-2009, 12:18 PM
#1368
Former Whyner
07-03-2009, 07:13 PM
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07-04-2009, 09:38 AM
#1372
Turd Polisher
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430whp, 6 gears, 3600 pounds .. majority of cars on the road will get destroyed after 50mph.
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07-04-2009, 10:32 AM
#1373
For some reason your post reminded me of Inaccurate's TL (the tl on the diet thread). 3000lbs TL, dr's, and the turbo... I'm curious what quarter mile times and track times would be.
07-04-2009, 11:15 AM
#1375
Turd Polisher
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That car would be throwing 11s I'm guessing.
07-04-2009, 12:36 PM
#1376
Team Owner
07-04-2009, 10:09 PM
#1378
Safety Car
But I am at
2991 Lbs Static
2769 Lbs Dynamic
Imo, it is the dynamic number (2769 Lbs) that counts the most in describing the performance... just ask the Corvette that I took down. I estimate it was a 2004 Base model w/ auto, 30-90mph, by 2 cars lengths.
07-05-2009, 12:42 AM
#1380
Turd Polisher
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What are you talking about. He posted a video.
07-05-2009, 09:46 AM
#1384
Think it's safe to say that's why we are testing , and offering the kit at level where there's no need to start transforming the car from luxury.. But in the quest for power there's never enough, so we've taken that into consideration and performing all the hard work and testing to see exactly where or what power level we have to start upgrading a lot of parts....I've had the kit and clutch setup installed at 77k and now the car is at 81 or 82k .... And nothing else is upgraded so far , we all know it's time for a mount upgrade especially at 416 lb- tq...plus unlike the supercharger it robs no power to make power and the lag is minimal on the turbo kit ..... Not to say I'm the only one who beats on a car but if it all goes well under my abuse it will hold just fine ... As far as automatic , we will me installing one in a auto , and it will be in my care for testing , if it means I have swap cars with a auto owner .....
it causes the engine to do a certain amount of work to push out the exhaust energy a little bit more to turn that turbine. Nothing is free.
on a different note, the work you're doing to make the turbo kit happen is fantastic!
07-05-2009, 01:25 PM
#1385
Team Owner
i'm sure you already know this but i feel compelled to make sure. Where you say that "unlike the supercharger it robs no power to make power" you are incorrect. Turbos take energy/power to turn, as does anything, or it would defy the law of physics. I would agree that in most cases a turbo is more efficient than a supercharger, being that it puts less drag on the engine to turn.
it causes the engine to do a certain amount of work to push out the exhaust energy a little bit more to turn that turbine. Nothing is free.
on a different note, the work you're doing to make the turbo kit happen is fantastic!
it causes the engine to do a certain amount of work to push out the exhaust energy a little bit more to turn that turbine. Nothing is free.
on a different note, the work you're doing to make the turbo kit happen is fantastic!
The particular turbo in this kit is known for it's extremely efficient turbine side and low backpressure. In effect, with the turbo so close to the engine you're not relying on backpressure to spin it, you're taking the still expanding exhaust gas, the heat energy, to spin it. This is why you can have way less backpressure than boost pressure.
This is also what makes it so much better than the rear mount STS kits that rely solely on exhaust flow and backpressure, not heat to power it.
07-05-2009, 01:34 PM
#1386
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Dont mind ppls doubts on this turbo situation ...they want to be true just as much as you do.....just continue with your project/research and put it in ppls faces.....ppl cannot deny results, ppls love to doubt which is much is easier than believing.....look@ obama gods sake(i bet 5years if i was screaming out in times square there was going to be a black president i'd be arrested....so lets arguing on the net and more work in the shop will save you headaches....
07-05-2009, 02:25 PM
#1387
Sort of. I've kept track of exhaust backpressure through many of my turbos. The trend is to see a backpressure spike during spool and once the turbo is spinning at full speed and the wastegate is open, backpressure subsides to about half or less of what the boost pressure is with a properly sized turbo.
The particular turbo in this kit is known for it's extremely efficient turbine side and low backpressure. In effect, with the turbo so close to the engine you're not relying on backpressure to spin it, you're taking the still expanding exhaust gas, the heat energy, to spin it. This is why you can have way less backpressure than boost pressure.
This is also what makes it so much better than the rear mount STS kits that rely solely on exhaust flow and backpressure, not heat to power it.
The particular turbo in this kit is known for it's extremely efficient turbine side and low backpressure. In effect, with the turbo so close to the engine you're not relying on backpressure to spin it, you're taking the still expanding exhaust gas, the heat energy, to spin it. This is why you can have way less backpressure than boost pressure.
This is also what makes it so much better than the rear mount STS kits that rely solely on exhaust flow and backpressure, not heat to power it.
I, obviously, don't have a lot of experience with turbos, but just for re-assurance, are there any performance mods or such that probably shouldn't be done after the turbo is installed? Anything that could "throw off" the tune or such?
07-05-2009, 02:44 PM
#1388
Team Owner
IHC, there's 1 question I've been meaning to ask you.
I, obviously, don't have a lot of experience with turbos, but just for re-assurance, are there any performance mods or such that probably shouldn't be done after the turbo is installed? Anything that could "throw off" the tune or such?
I, obviously, don't have a lot of experience with turbos, but just for re-assurance, are there any performance mods or such that probably shouldn't be done after the turbo is installed? Anything that could "throw off" the tune or such?
Certain mods like larger throttlebodies and intake spacers are completely useless but won't hurt anything.
Popular catback exhausts may not be enough. You need a 3" single or dual 2.5" exhaust to keep from interfering with power and spool. My personal preference on a turbo car if you like a mellow deep rumble is dual 2.5 into straight through mild steel mufflers.
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
07-05-2009, 05:36 PM
#1390
You've got to be very careful in a CAI. The minimum size pre-turbo should be 4-5" instead of 3" NA. Any restriction on the inlet side of the turbo will be magnified and will show up as extra heat in the charge temp and more exhaust backpressure. Even though I've have never had much good to say about them, a short ram with the filter on the inlet (if there's room) may be the best way to go. In this case, less restriction outweighs the CAI benefits.
Certain mods like larger throttlebodies and intake spacers are completely useless but won't hurt anything.
Popular catback exhausts may not be enough. You need a 3" single or dual 2.5" exhaust to keep from interfering with power and spool. My personal preference on a turbo car if you like a mellow deep rumble is dual 2.5 into straight through mild steel mufflers.
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
Certain mods like larger throttlebodies and intake spacers are completely useless but won't hurt anything.
Popular catback exhausts may not be enough. You need a 3" single or dual 2.5" exhaust to keep from interfering with power and spool. My personal preference on a turbo car if you like a mellow deep rumble is dual 2.5 into straight through mild steel mufflers.
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
I already figured I'd have to get rid of the V2 when & if this was installed, but I'm hoping the Quads will be enough to let the power flow freely.
07-05-2009, 06:51 PM
#1391
Former Whyner
Popular catback exhausts may not be enough. You need a 3" single or dual 2.5" exhaust to keep from interfering with power and spool. My personal preference on a turbo car if you like a mellow deep rumble is dual 2.5 into straight through mild steel mufflers.
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
07-05-2009, 07:20 PM
#1392
Dont mind ppls doubts on this turbo situation ...they want to be true just as much as you do.....just continue with your project/research and put it in ppls faces.....ppl cannot deny results, ppls love to doubt which is much is easier than believing.....look@ obama gods sake(i bet 5years if i was screaming out in times square there was going to be a black president i'd be arrested....so lets arguing on the net and more work in the shop will save you headaches....
i said in my post that i know a turbo is more efficient than a supercharger, i was just correcting the fact that it is not 'free' power. (nothing is free power)
this is merely a definition correction, not a charge that anything he is doing is not real or correct. i believe from what i've read that he is doing everything correctly to bring a turbo kit to the TL market. I hope it becomes a reality, because i might be in the market for one.
07-05-2009, 07:23 PM
#1393
You've got to be very careful in a CAI. The minimum size pre-turbo should be 4-5" instead of 3" NA. Any restriction on the inlet side of the turbo will be magnified and will show up as extra heat in the charge temp and more exhaust backpressure. Even though I've have never had much good to say about them, a short ram with the filter on the inlet (if there's room) may be the best way to go. In this case, less restriction outweighs the CAI benefits.
Certain mods like larger throttlebodies and intake spacers are completely useless but won't hurt anything.
Popular catback exhausts may not be enough. You need a 3" single or dual 2.5" exhaust to keep from interfering with power and spool. My personal preference on a turbo car if you like a mellow deep rumble is dual 2.5 into straight through mild steel mufflers.
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
Certain mods like larger throttlebodies and intake spacers are completely useless but won't hurt anything.
Popular catback exhausts may not be enough. You need a 3" single or dual 2.5" exhaust to keep from interfering with power and spool. My personal preference on a turbo car if you like a mellow deep rumble is dual 2.5 into straight through mild steel mufflers.
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
by the way, seafoam in the intake makes for a funny mental image
might be something to try on a junker turbo car on its last legs!
07-05-2009, 08:21 PM
#1394
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Wow you guys rock. How do you suppose the kit could be used for the 5AT people? Would they need an upgraded AT? torque converter, etc. Would the AT be able to put out better times than a MT. I've seen many turbo AT outperform turbo manuals in many cases. I could be wrong though
I'm not sure if this was discussed, I recently discovered this thread after being in the blackmarket threads for so long...
I'm not sure if this was discussed, I recently discovered this thread after being in the blackmarket threads for so long...
07-05-2009, 08:41 PM
#1395
i'd be scared of the non-limited slip that the AT has not being able to remotely put the power down!
anyone thrown the 6MT limited slip diff in the AT? or is that even an option?
anyone thrown the 6MT limited slip diff in the AT? or is that even an option?
07-05-2009, 09:35 PM
#1397
Team Owner
Wow you guys rock. How do you suppose the kit could be used for the 5AT people? Would they need an upgraded AT? torque converter, etc. Would the AT be able to put out better times than a MT. I've seen many turbo AT outperform turbo manuals in many cases. I could be wrong though
I'm not sure if this was discussed, I recently discovered this thread after being in the blackmarket threads for so long...
I'm not sure if this was discussed, I recently discovered this thread after being in the blackmarket threads for so long...
With that turbo on a 3.2L and with the lack of traction with the FWD setup, a high stall should not be needed. However, a nice 3,000 stall with this setup should yield nearly instant spool and lots of tire smoke.
07-05-2009, 09:39 PM
#1398
Team Owner
Going smaller won't kill you but with a turbo, it can not only hurt power but spool too. A mandrel bent dual 2.25" isn't *that* bad but it's not optimal for 500hp at the flywheel.
This is the one area you can err on the large side since the turbo provides all the backpressure the engine will ever need.
07-05-2009, 09:41 PM
#1399
Team Owner
Keep in mind, all of these numbers are hp at the wheels. The turbo TL is dynoing just a little less than a new Z06 at only 9psi so there is quite a bit of airflow/exhaust flow.
07-06-2009, 01:39 PM
#1400
You've got to be very careful in a CAI. The minimum size pre-turbo should be 4-5" instead of 3" NA. Any restriction on the inlet side of the turbo will be magnified and will show up as extra heat in the charge temp and more exhaust backpressure. Even though I've have never had much good to say about them, a short ram with the filter on the inlet (if there's room) may be the best way to go. In this case, less restriction outweighs the CAI benefits.
Certain mods like larger throttlebodies and intake spacers are completely useless but won't hurt anything.
Popular catback exhausts may not be enough. You need a 3" single or dual 2.5" exhaust to keep from interfering with power and spool. My personal preference on a turbo car if you like a mellow deep rumble is dual 2.5 into straight through mild steel mufflers.
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
Certain mods like larger throttlebodies and intake spacers are completely useless but won't hurt anything.
Popular catback exhausts may not be enough. You need a 3" single or dual 2.5" exhaust to keep from interfering with power and spool. My personal preference on a turbo car if you like a mellow deep rumble is dual 2.5 into straight through mild steel mufflers.
No Seafoam through the intake!!!
Would installing a the UR crank pulley be an issue? I ask this, because I have one sitting in my garage waiting to be installed? Should I hold off?