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Way off topic but are you going to be at Acurafest tomorrow?

greco9885

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im curious, how would 100 octane work with the way the car is currently tuned... i kind of think it will be better, costly yes, but i think it would work alittle better and more consistently than water/meth. unless ur using 100% meth

anyone?

jdot

awesome!!

Hi speed

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I have run 100 octane with the turbo but haven't turned up the boost. $6 per gallon out of the pump is a good price but too expensive to drive around with very much. I have been mixing 50/50 at first but now closer to 1/3-1/4 race gas to 91. Comes out to an extra $12 per week for mix versus straight 91, cheap insurance and the gas station that sells race gas is close to my house. I'm scared to tune for octane since race gas is hard to get most places other than home and can get really expensive fast if you are doing much driving. It is very hard to stay out of boost and save gas in a car this fast. The car just wants to go.

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It would work great as long as you took advantage of it with more boost/timing. Assuming it's not pinging already, it would gain nothing without turning the boost up.

I think a little 100 in the tank is a great way to increase safety even if you don't make more power. I always "over octane" my turbo car so that it's not always on the verge of blowing up. The nice thing higher octane is the only thing you lose by having too much is money but not power.

Meth has the potential to give more power at the same boost as 100 and from my experience you can run the same and sometimes slightly higher boost with meth as 100. It has as awesome cooling effect but as you said, with the mix it's harder to tune and you won't get the full power potential.

Assuming it's not detonating before adding a meth/water mix, the potential is there to lose power if the boost is not raised to take advantage. However, it will still be safer on the engine. Any gains will be hard to tell. On pure meth you can usually tell when it kicks in.

dr_brains510

Hey man, you gots to clear out some messages b/c I can't pm you. We'll talk there.

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Sorry about that. It's cleared out now.

libert69

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So I picked up the AutoEnginuity scan tool last week and Im loving it. You can buy the scan tool directly from their website for 249$ but if you check on Ebay, you will notice that AutoEnginuity themselves sells the same brand new scan tool for 199$. I called to the company direct to verify that they sell on Ebay.

If you want to use the Honda/Acura enhanced parameters (which Ill describe later) you need to buy the ST06 model scan tool. It uses a usb connection right to your laptop/netbook to stream and record live data.

Ive been using a new Toshiba netbook for streaming and recording live data. At first I was recording the live data directly to the netbooks harddrive while I drove. After a few minutes or a few bumps, I noticed that my live data was no longer recording. It would suddenly stop for a few seconds then startup again but it was no longer saving the data. I eventually figured out that every time I hit a bump (Megan coilovers are set to almost full stiff so even the little bumps can hurt lol) the netbooks harddrive would basically skip a beat and interrupt the data recording. Live streaming would not be affected but just recording the live data was affected.

Now Im using a sandisk extreme lll 20mb/sec sd card to save the live data and the data records flawlessly.

Check www.autoenginuity.com/index.html for a list of products and features that the scan tool can do.

My main reason for buying from AutoEnginuity was because their software has the ability to monitor almost every enhanced parameter/sensor the car has. More specifically the ability to monitor knock retard. Check here for a complete list of sensors supported for Honda/Acura http://www.autoenginuity.com/Honda-A...tems-List.html

You need to purchase the enhanced parameters package which is basically an activation code to access all the features already built into the software. It costs 229$

You can also download the basic software and install it on your computer for free. Its the first download link www.autoenginuity.com/downloads.shtml
If anyone wants to do this and see some of my logs and stream them then let me know and I can send them to you

If anyone does decide to purchase this software and they want the enhanced parameters package then ill save those of you the trouble who use cracked/pirated software like me There is a cracked version of the software floating around on the net. Its version 6.0.2 and it has the enhanced parameters already activated for all 16 different auto manufacturers.

Unfortunately some car makers (like honda/acura) require the ST06 model scan tool if you want to use the enhanced parameters. The ST06 is not compatible with software version 6.0.2. The ST05 however is compatible with that version software and some different manufacturers can use the ST05 with enhanced parameters. Check here for a listing of which manufactures can use the ST05 www.autoenginuity.com/order.html

Heres a few logs I made. Click pic then click the magnifying glass

1st through 2nd wot. 0-60 about 4.5 seconds. If I could only get off the line a little better we may even see something lower



3rd gear wot



40-70mph in 2.6 seconds



5mph roll through 3rd @ wot. 5-100mph in 11sec. Room for improvement if I take 2nd gear a little higher


Full log

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Regarding the 40-70mph in 2.6 seconds...... AWESOME BERT

According to my estimates (using benchmarks),

you have a 12.4 second 5AT TL !!!

This 2.6 seconds is identical to the 2008 Corvette with 436 BHP, priced at $56,890.


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phee

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Bert. turn of hard drive shock protection in your toshiba control panel.

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off*

Majofo

xoulu

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anyone even ran a 1/4 mile run with the turbo? if so at what psi and what was the time?

tenzingsherpa

1/4 mile times please......

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Track times would be very nice.

libert69

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Mid 12s would be nice. 2 more psi and maybe we see 11s

libert69

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I didnt even know about that. This isnt my netbook and Ive always been a desktop user. Thanks so much. Ill try it and see what happens

libert69

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Ive got the next week off and the weather is around 60°. Anyone recommend a 1/4 mile track on Long island? Ive never been to one.

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One of the most famous tracks, Englishtown is in NJ. Not sure if that's too far or not. I would give anything just to take a pass down that track.

It would be so awesome if you made it to the track. It would make you officially the quickest and fastest TL on the planet.

libert69

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Englishtown is a solid 1.5 hours away. Not too bad. Ill look into it

pass427

Here's a spark plug part number that should go well with our boosted application.. SPARK PLUG (SILKR8A-S) (NGK)

Majofo

Same as the RDX plugs.

Rajca

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Is it a colder plug?

libert69

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I cant really find much info on these plugs other then it seems you can only buy them through acura dealers. I would assume the 8 indicates the heat range

Majofo

2 steps colder

AckTL05

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I live right by it, they have a road course I want to do as well as racing go carts.

greco9885

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wednesday the 20th? they got test and tune 5p-10p. ill go with u and i can probably get some friends to with their gtr, and 997tt

last time i went it was like $30 for 3 runs or something

just for the record, this track sucks. takes them forever, then at 9pm they go crazy trying to get everyone in

TLdream

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IF your goign to run it at the track, invest in some drag radials. If you dont, your wasting your time. You will likley spin your way through first, and probably second, until you hook and end up running a 13.8 @ 120mph.

If you dont have time to get some, let me know, i have a set i will send you to use.

greco9885

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and bert, we can get some 100 oct before we go

greco9885

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i would not use drag radials yet, might be too much grip. he should take it a few times, see how it handles then go from there. dont wanna break anything in jersey first time at the track

also if he has summer tires, it will be alot better

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It doesnt matter what tires he is using, he will not get traction. I was using some of the best street summer tires you could get (nt05's) and best i could mannage was a 14.8 ish, and with the radials and traction, i was pulling 13.6-13.8 with ~250 whp. Especially if he is going to try to brakeboost and launch it.

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I would usually agree but since we have absolutely no idea what this thing would run, it would be nice to get some base runs in before breaking it lol. If it does a 13.8 @ 120mph we know it has 11 second potential on tire. It would also give a good idea of what cars this thing will run with on the street.

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I'm running DR's and a hard launch will spin thru first. They help alot in the first 60 but the car hooks hard once your moving even on summer tires. I don't slam gears or launch very hard since this just causes breakage and loss of traction for front wheel drive cars. The DR's will help the AT a lot more since it's an open dif but might be too much grip if you are asking for all the car has to give. I usually soft launch just to get moving and go WOT for the run down. It's more fun in my eyes to let people get out front and show off the real power instead of smoking the tires from the stop and letting them shut it down before you can put the power down. I also hang out with a RWD V8 crowd and they tend to drift alittle so I keep some distance to keep my car from getting hit.

libert69

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The 20th sounds very possible. Although the weather says 40% chance of rain so lets see if it changes.

Is this the track everyone is talking about? http://www.etownraceway.com/

If this one is no good then is there another one youve been too?

Ive never been to a track? Will the tires spin much more on the track vs the street?

I actually get very good traction on the street.

I have nitto invos. Not as sticky as the not05 but still very good for the street.

You cant brakeboost with the tl since its dbw. rpms climb but doesnt build boost

After much trial and error Ive found that simply letting off the gas and smashing the pedal to the floor is the best way to move off the line. Ill get a little spin at first but it will grab quickly and then at 3k rpms Im almost at full boost so it takes off with no more spin.

Ive also noticed that if you hold the brake with one foot and use your other foot to hit the gas as soon as you release the brake, the car takes off a little slower (no spin and moves out slower) then using the same foot going from brake to gas. I think the ecu has a very slight delay and pulls power if the gas is hit too soon after releasing the brake.

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That's really weird. Are you putting the pedal all the way to the floor when brake boosting? I've done it in mine just to see what it will do and it seems like it's at full throttle when brake boosting but maybe the DBW is pulling throttle back.

I'm not suggesting you do it, especially your first time at the track but I'm curious now to figure out why it won't let you.

I wonder if it's not the ECU and the torque convertor is just too tight.

greco9885

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etown is the only T&T ive been too, i did private rentals at atco in NJ and maryland international raceway. so i cant comment on the T&T quality, but the rental was sick. MIR Is my favorite, but its around 5 hours away

also etown and atco are slow tracks, MIR is very fast

phee

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I thought I read that the tl retards timing if u are on the brake and accel too long. may be why it's slow to launch with a bb

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Bert, Time for some logging.

Log the Timing, ATP, RPM, and MPH. Try to do the powerbraking to build boost. From the logging, we will see if the ecu is refusing to give you 79% ATP or if it is cutting timing.


For others ---> 79% ATP = WOT

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This would be a VERY good thing if it retards timing. Less timing= quicker turbo spool. Only good on launch of course.

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Comparing Bert's timing (left) to my timing (right). Pics below are both wot thru 3rd gear (5AT).



During wot thru 3rd gear, Bert has 14* compared to my 17* during the first half of 3rd gear. The ecu bumps the timing at the top part of 3rd gear. Both Bert and mine both peak 22* at 6500 RPM.

Comparing our 2nd gear at wot shows more of a difference however (no pics).
Bert has 15* at 4000 RPM. Mine is 22* at 4000*.
Bert peaks at 20* at 6500 RPM. Mine peaks at 25* at 6500 RPM.