pass427

Joey the speed sensor code we are still tring to figure out as to why this code is popping up as we are not using any pin related to speed sensor ,im currently going thru ecu pin out to see why have you tried clearing the codes ? joey have you downloaded the tuner studio ? as i can send over another tune for you to load or adjust the current start up map for you ...

As far as the 02 codes this will pop up every now and as we are not able to control oem 02 sensors just yet [in time ] we will with this said the the code does show up ,but this does not mean car is running rich to destroy or damage anything ,remember to gain whp we do is solely done by cleaning up airfuel ratio which goes dead rich with upgrades especially at wot ......
Just this weekend we managed to tune gabriel06tl with a result of 275whp and 244 lb tq ill ask him to post vidoes and graph as he was there to witness a few shocking surprises with upgrades which ill write a post on.....

Joey tl

Yes I download tunerstudio. If you can send me a new map and explain how to install I will try it or show me what to change. Thank.

Joey tl

I always clear the codes but they still come up

pass427

Ok ill go ahead and setup a walk thru with youto load new tune ,im sure the tune just needs minor adjustment ill get this sorted out for you ...

swoosh

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Rodney great customer service bro !!! HANDS DOWN !!!

btw you better post graphs of Gabriel's car coz people are gonna get stunned with what they are about to see

Joey tl

Sonnick

Does it have anything to do with the butterfly delete?

swoosh

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^^^ i doubt sonnick....i had the manifold butterfly deleted for couple months and go no CEL/codes....

justnspace

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^i think he was asking about the great dyno gains.....

Sonnick

^ This man speaks the truth.

swoosh

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^^^ aah my bad....

but no, Rodney is not talking about the gains....to spill the beans....

a Base 6MT with only jpipe made 260some horses....and it LOST power after the PCD install....Rodney will elaborate more on this....

Inaccurate

pass427

^lmao didnt see that swoosh had mentioned already was waiting on gabriel06tl to post ,he will as he gets videos uploaded and send over link along with graphs.....

So gabriel was also in groupbuy ,and been that he was local we decided to bring him in early and get him tuned which would allow us to have various tunes other thsn our own 6speed manual tune from our test car ,before showing up a few days before he sent an email with his last dyno session not done by us ,car is a 2006 manual with navi ,bone stock he claimed the car put down 244whp & 220 lb tq ,needless to say I over looked that graph as those numbers seemed rather way high for a base 3.2 6spd, and after rv6 jpipe he recorded 254whp & 228 lb tq no other mods really that wasnt registering even thou he emailed graph as well ....
Fast forward a weeks later we called him in for ecu install and dyno session,checked car over only addition to rv6 jpipe was p2r thrott body spacer in my mind as a joke im saying ok so with throttle body spacer lets see some magic ,we strapped it on the dyno first pull netted 261 whp ,what no way 2 primary cats are still in place lets run it again 261 whp this cant be right not only thst the graph was straight as an arrow from torque to airfuel to horsepower graph looked like a tuned graph ......

Installed our ecu by now its getting late we managed to pull 5_7 whp thru out the graph not good enough for me or what I claim our ecu does so not accepting those numbers ,we call it a nite I told gabriel im not comfortable selling the ecu to him until I see 15_25 whp gains which we always see ,he agress we retreat and set for two weeks later and we agree on getting some pcd ..part 2 coming up grab some popcorn lol...

justnspace

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is that weird or what!?

InFaMouSLink

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261 on just a Jpipe and tb spacer is crazy... i dont believe it

swoosh

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^^^ yeah i think i spilled the beans to early....sorry Rod....but cudnt resist LOL....

Alex....i was laughing my ass off thinking Rodney is smoking some crack while dynoing Gabriels car, but the dyno numbers dont lie.....maybe I should have let Gabriel post the dynos and the post....

BostonSilverTypeS

^ so wait he got those numbers, but Rodney did not mention anything about losing power with PCD's....Swoosh did you mean to say he got 260 horse with no pcd's installed and not lost power with PCd's??

Damn seems like Gabriel got a freak wednesday motor...lol!!!

Gabriel06TL

I know its weird but I can't say nothing more than my motor got factory efficience. I have an 06 M/T with 75K miles on it.
This is my first dynojet video 3 months ago. You can see 3rd and 4th pull 100% bone stock, only K&N DIB with 244whp 220wtq.
Then after RV6 V3 J-Pipe the result was 254whp 228wtq with more than 16whp of gain on the 3K to 4K range.


After TB Spacer I get +1.5 on both whp and wtq.
This video is at Twilight Dynojet. We confirm that the car pulls 257whp and 230wtq on a RV6 V3 J-pipe + TB Spacer + K&N DIB

LOL!

Gabriel06TL

I have to thanks Rodney for his great labor, customer service, honesty, comunication and frindship!

I got more videos and pics coming

pass427

Sorry for the post in pieces its all coming together thk you gabriel ,so on saturday after installing pcd delete we strapped the car on the dyno the car registered 259 whp !!!!! No way we just lost hp in dis believe we ran the car back again it kept losing ,so we waited let car cool all thr way down as now the car is not maintaining whp as before now were in shock ,after cool down the was rather cold best run netted 261 whp ,but now air fuel is out of wack it goes dead rich especially after vtec engagement ,

LET ME CLARIFY BY SAYING IN NO WAY ARE WE SAYING YOU DO NOT NEED TO.GET PCD DELETES SO PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY ,AS WITH PCD DELETES AND ALL OTHER MODS ALLOWS THE CHANCE FOR A TUNE AND HP GAINS WITH JANDR ECU .......

After seeing this we went to work on the jandr ecu to.our surprise peak numbers werent going up but we were increasing whp thru out the powerband 10_15 whp and torque numbers after a few runs and tweaking we unbolted the oem airbox and Omg a new beast was born numbers started to make sense as we managed to get 275whp & 244lb tq total different beast and this is with oem exhaust .....

pass427

Boston you sure u didn't leave a recorder in the shop we officially labeled his car a wednesday motor lmao all those numbers with oem exhaust and our dyno is dead on updated ect as he already went to a total different dyno before us and registered same numbers and we use same dyno since ecu tuning .....

pass427

First dyno session oem ecu ,jpipe ,p2r throttle body spacer and kn filter in oem airbox

bouncer07

After 8 years later... This isn't a factory freak motor. With DBW motors, this is common thing. Your first mod should and always be the JnR ECU to tune these cars. One mod (ex: CAI or PCD) will lose power on your stock ECU.

But I'm not about the numbers here, giving props Gab's car is running great in the condition. I'd like to see 1/4 times/traps.

Could you give me some temps the car was dyno'ing at the time?

justnspace

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^it is a factory freak.
I dyno'd 241 with jpipe and pcd. and I'm on par with others who has the same mods as I do.

but what I dont understand, why wasnt it able to tune the first time around.....

SharksBreath

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cliffs?

InFaMouSLink

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oem airbox???

InFaMouSLink

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Car came in dyno'ed at 244/220 BONE STOCK, 254/228 after a Jpipe install. Rodney didn't believe him as these numbers are high. Dyno'ed at rodney shop with same numbers???? WTF??? Motor Deemed Wednesday motor.. Installed ECU but Rodney didn't want to sell it to him since they only made 6-8HP... Suggested PCD's to increase overall ECU gain. Installed PCD's and lose 2HP... WTF again??? tuned with no major improvement. Removed OEM airbox and retuned and now pushing 275/244.

Is the 275/244 with PCD's still installed?? When is the exhaust coming in???

justnspace

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yes, although I plan to mimic the icebox

SharksBreath

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oh lord.

i need to get mine dyno'd asap.

InFaMouSLink

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I plan on putting a supercharger between the manifold and throttlebody to see what happens..

Gabriel06TL

Yes. V3 J-pipe + V3 PCD's + TBS + K&N DIB + JnR ECU = 275/244

bouncer07

With the ECU, custom-make a 2.75 - 3" CAI and see what it makes. Looking for another 10-12 whp being made.

Inaccurate

With his car being sensitive to air restrictions, I would also recommend (in addition to a CAI) an oversized CAI filter (click here).

InFaMouSLink

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i knew i forgot to buy something...

bouncer07

SRI is the way I'm going with my set up.

SharksBreath

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random question.

where should i set my AFR too, ideally?

bouncer07

I don't have the ecu, but 12.8-13.1 at wot, 14.7 for DD/part throttle/cruising. Unless you messed with the closed loop lambda target tables, it's going to target stoich (14.7 afr). Check your s.trims and make sure you get them as close to 0 as possible.

SharksBreath

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i'm in the high 11's currently. that was after a 40-100mph wot run.

bouncer07

Are you fine tuning the car yourself?

You can start with 0 degree low fuel cam angle, there's no harm in that -- I recommends the 30 degree angle since a lot of time accelerating and cruising is spent at that angle. You could tune it really well, then copy and paste the values into the 15 degree and 40 degree angles to speed the process up a bit (but! they will STILL require fine-tuning, it'll just be more linear.)

I would start with 0 and work your way up. You want to set your VTEC window high, so you do NOT cross into VTEC during these tests with the cam angles locked. For the 500 - 850 RPM rows, lock the cam angle to 0. From 1000 RPM to max, you want to lock the cam angle to whichever angle you are currently tuning (in this case, 0.) You're now set to go.

Create a datalog of light, steady throttle acceleration in first gear on a smooth, flat, quiet road up to a certain RPM -- preferably 1000 RPM OVER your usual VTEC engagement point. At that point, shift into second gear and slow down to 10 MPH (or ~1000 RPM.) Lightly & steadily accelerate under vtec, then slow down to 1000 RPM, staying in second gear. Accelerate again to (under vtec), using more throttle this time, but still steady. Slow down to 1000 RPM. Do it again, but more throttle. You want to make at least 3 or 4 passes doing this, in order to fill the lambda recommendation chart as full as you possibly can between 1000 and 5500 RPM. Stop datalogging once you have sufficiently filled a majority of the field (don't worry about a missing value or two, or three.) The idea is, roughly, to fill as much of columns 1 - 7 as you can. 8, 9, and 10 are typically delegated to WOT/high load situations, and you should not expect to fill them doing these tests.

You're done with that datalog. You then would want to look for patterns. Look for any irregularities. Your objective in this tuning session is to get your AFR across the board to be as close to 14.7:1 as possible. You may need to add/remove a small percentage of fuel. depending on your logs.

Avoid making changes to individual values, as you will want to keep the fuel lines smooth in your editing. Edit chunks at a time, whether it be rows, columns, or entire RPM ranges. Remember to keep it visually smooth. If you are only running out of whack in a particular RPM range, there is no need to add/remove fuel from an entire row/column as the helpfile suggests; just within those RPMs.

You do NOT (and should NOT) be making any WOT pulls while tuning your low cam fuel. Also do NOT go into VTEC. The knocks can be due to one of three things: low octane fuel (you should always use at least 91 octane fuel,) false reads (caused by the knock mic picking up rough terrain at high load,) or actual knocking, which is fixed by pulling ignition timing at select RPMs.

pass427

11s reading on what wideband not with the tune sent by us do you have a wideband installed on the car ? Because logging the oem wideband will not give you a correct reading 11s the car would be slower than a single cam if you want to know airfuel get a wideband to get correct reading ,if you think this out a bit yoyd realize the car cant be running air fuel ratio of 11s serious it would sit where you floor it unless you have a turbo kit ...