Group Buy for JnR ECU - Dyno's/Gains (12/23); Prices Posted (1/7)
03-23-2012, 08:23 AM
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...but i won't be surprised if it comes back on today when i go for a longer drive.
had a question/concern tho. i agree that a leaner AFR is ideal. but it has to be balanced against aggressive timing advance.
any advice/tips on getting the best of both worlds?
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03-23-2012, 08:58 AM
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Testing (trail and error) using a performance meter and monitoring knock
Data Loggers (click here)
Knock Monitor (click here)
03-23-2012, 09:00 AM
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^thanks for the links. i don't have a knock monitor, i assume there is a way to view that while logging data tho?
03-23-2012, 09:59 AM
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In this game, it's really up to you. Push it to the limits of timing and knock or safe within a certain realm.
But it's really only as good as your monitoring if you do decide to push limits.
The only thing you can monitor from the stock ecu is knock retard. Inacc has already described this as useless for detection and the reason he has an aftermarket unit. As important if not more than knowing you A/F ratio.
But it's really only as good as your monitoring if you do decide to push limits.
The only thing you can monitor from the stock ecu is knock retard. Inacc has already described this as useless for detection and the reason he has an aftermarket unit. As important if not more than knowing you A/F ratio.
03-23-2012, 10:06 AM
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^looks like a knock monitor is a good idea too.
wasn't rodney selling one for $100 or something? isn't it just an indicator light that blinks when knock is present?
is Tim's different? i'll go read some links.
wasn't rodney selling one for $100 or something? isn't it just an indicator light that blinks when knock is present?
is Tim's different? i'll go read some links.
03-23-2012, 10:29 AM
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Tim has an aftermarket unit with I believe an analog out for logging.
It should work with the MS3 to pull timing but you also need to set a jumper inside the MS3. It would depend on what the knock box is outputting and what the MS3 wants for a signal.
Rodney is sending out the knocksense units. There is also a beta going on for an internal knock interface but it appears to be moving along VERY slowly.
It should work with the MS3 to pull timing but you also need to set a jumper inside the MS3. It would depend on what the knock box is outputting and what the MS3 wants for a signal.
Rodney is sending out the knocksense units. There is also a beta going on for an internal knock interface but it appears to be moving along VERY slowly.
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03-23-2012, 12:24 PM
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Sharky you know all this.....this was discussed couple pages back 
and i think $100 for the knock monitor which JnR was providing was a good deal....
if you still want in on that deal, text me and will figure something out for you with Rodney....
same goes for AFR sensor/controller/gauge
and i think $100 for the knock monitor which JnR was providing was a good deal....
if you still want in on that deal, text me and will figure something out for you with Rodney....
same goes for AFR sensor/controller/gauge
03-23-2012, 02:09 PM
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As people are beginning to realize after they've received their units, this isn't a simple Subie AccessPort or BullyDog programmer that just plugs in and you're off and running.
It was somewhat explained that although it is plug and play, it would likely not be optimal for driving habits and climate differences of each user. I think this point was taken a bit lightly.
I think SharksBreath is realizing this and is now asking some questions based on that. I would not have paid attention to things I didn't think I needed either. And in his case, he had a rock to buy.
It was somewhat explained that although it is plug and play, it would likely not be optimal for driving habits and climate differences of each user. I think this point was taken a bit lightly.
I think SharksBreath is realizing this and is now asking some questions based on that. I would not have paid attention to things I didn't think I needed either. And in his case, he had a rock to buy.
03-23-2012, 10:43 PM
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i have richies v3 pcd's, and i've had them for over a year and NEVER got a CEL. now i install the ECU, and i get one almost immediately.
i guess i don't understand why i would need to mess with my defoulers.
i am ordering a AFR soon.
so you think i'm ok tho? i just don't want to unknowingly be causing damage to something. i don't have the knock sensor option or anything else, just the ECU.
oh yeah my AFR's are in the high 11's according to our trial run with the ECU this past weekend. could that have changed over the course of a day?
i guess i don't understand why i would need to mess with my defoulers.
i am ordering a AFR soon.
so you think i'm ok tho? i just don't want to unknowingly be causing damage to something. i don't have the knock sensor option or anything else, just the ECU.
oh yeah my AFR's are in the high 11's according to our trial run with the ECU this past weekend. could that have changed over the course of a day?
Hope that puts you at ease a bit!!!
03-24-2012, 07:33 AM
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i ordered the knock already from Rodney and was going to buy the AFR seperate but if he still has a deal then I would be interested.. getting one no matter what.. just wasnt ready to purchase back in Jan 
Also I think Sharky might want in on the 410cc injectors.. me too
Also I think Sharky might want in on the 410cc injectors.. me too
03-24-2012, 12:46 PM
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Justnspace: AFR + Knock Monitor
Feji: AFR + Injectors
Aaron: AFR + Knock Monitor + Injectors....
I spoke to Rodney yesterday and he will be getting couple pricing options for me tomorrow and I will post it up here
Feji and Aaron: Let me know about the Injectors (for sure) and if you also want the upgraded fuel pump or the pig tails for the injectors....
03-24-2012, 04:30 PM
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^^^ 
back to the group buy are we....hahah....will get pricing for you guys !!!
back to the group buy are we....hahah....will get pricing for you guys !!!
03-27-2012, 08:39 AM
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Just wanted to make a request. If the 'shop' TL is done testing, then that is fine. But if not, I have a request for a dyno with the intake manifold butterfly delete and a new tune. There is a dyno with solid evidence that the delete gains power untuned in the 4K area; a solid 5whp/5wtq. Possibly higher with a tune?
03-27-2012, 09:14 AM
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There are threads in the other model subforums and the consensus seems to be in N/A or lightly boosted applications, you'll suffer low end torque loss. Some said it was fine as they didn't want the down low power because it just results in wheel spin and the gains in the upper end was worth it.
It does bring up an interesting point for the FI guys who may not see this loss with boost. Hopefully Rodney can get some time to comment on this. He's been extremely busy so I wouldn't expect anything immediately.
It does bring up an interesting point for the FI guys who may not see this loss with boost. Hopefully Rodney can get some time to comment on this. He's been extremely busy so I wouldn't expect anything immediately.
03-27-2012, 10:21 AM
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^ That's totally fine, I wasn't expecting an immediate response. The dyno wasn't a direct before/after, but if any low end loss (I didn't feel any) it's minimal. This raises another question as well. The 'dip' at 4K that was experienced by the shop TL before VTEC engagement was raised was NOT seen after the butterfly delete. This leads me to believe that potentially, without the butterflies flaps, we may benefit from a lower VTEC point. This is all speculation, but it could be true.
Stock VTEC point for the Accord is 4900. I'm really wondering now, that if the butterfly delete got rid of the dip at 4K with no adustment of VTEC, then maybe lowering VTEC could actually be beneficial once the butterflies have been removed.
Stock VTEC point for the Accord is 4900. I'm really wondering now, that if the butterfly delete got rid of the dip at 4K with no adustment of VTEC, then maybe lowering VTEC could actually be beneficial once the butterflies have been removed.
03-27-2012, 10:51 AM
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PRICES PRICES PRICES 
I had Rodney give me some prices for you guys....all prices including shipping:
AEM AFR: 195
Knock Units: 100
EGR Delete: 20
Injectors: 265
Pigtails: 125
All prices include shipping. Let me know what you guys need by posting in the thread and will tell you how to send your payment to Rodney
I had Rodney give me some prices for you guys....all prices including shipping:
AEM AFR: 195
Knock Units: 100
EGR Delete: 20
Injectors: 265
Pigtails: 125
All prices include shipping. Let me know what you guys need by posting in the thread and will tell you how to send your payment to Rodney
03-27-2012, 10:52 AM
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PRICES PRICES PRICES
I had Rodney give me some prices for you guys....all prices including shipping:
AEM AFR: 195
Knock Units: 100
EGR Delete: 20
Injectors: 265
Pigtails: 125
All prices include shipping. Let me know what you guys need by posting in the thread and will tell you how to send your payment to Rodney
I had Rodney give me some prices for you guys....all prices including shipping:
AEM AFR: 195
Knock Units: 100
EGR Delete: 20
Injectors: 265
Pigtails: 125
All prices include shipping. Let me know what you guys need by posting in the thread and will tell you how to send your payment to Rodney
03-27-2012, 10:58 AM
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just the knock unit for me, swoosh. i'm going to pick up the AFR elsewhere.
03-27-2012, 11:11 AM
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^^^ Sounds good Justn and Aaron....waiting on Feji now....
03-27-2012, 01:21 PM
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^^^ but it is....somewhere i think either KN or Boston were mentioning that it gains you almost around 3-4 HP and TQ....
and i need every HP out of that motor LOL....it will trigger a CEL though.....
SWOOSH MADE A MISTAKE
anyway I just spoke with Rodney and got good news for couple of you fellas....
Justn, Peter, Ryan and Mike....(justnspace, the fenda rolla, r3devi7 and noober)....your ECU's should go out by tomorrow....
Justn, yours might take another day or so since we gonna add Wideband and Knock Monitor....
so far we have:
Aaron: Knock Monitor: $110
Justin: AFR + Knock Monitor: $305
Feji: AFR + Injectors + Pigtails: $585
Will PM you guys how to send the payment in....
and i need every HP out of that motor LOL....it will trigger a CEL though.....
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PRICES PRICES PRICES
I had Rodney give me some prices for you guys....all prices including shipping:
AEM AFR: 195
Knock Units: 110
EGR Delete: 20
Injectors: 265
Pigtails: 125
All prices include shipping. Let me know what you guys need by posting in the thread and will tell you how to send your payment to Rodney
I had Rodney give me some prices for you guys....all prices including shipping:
AEM AFR: 195
Knock Units: 110
EGR Delete: 20
Injectors: 265
Pigtails: 125
All prices include shipping. Let me know what you guys need by posting in the thread and will tell you how to send your payment to Rodney
Justn, Peter, Ryan and Mike....(justnspace, the fenda rolla, r3devi7 and noober)....your ECU's should go out by tomorrow....
Justn, yours might take another day or so since we gonna add Wideband and Knock Monitor....
so far we have:
Aaron: Knock Monitor: $110
Justin: AFR + Knock Monitor: $305
Feji: AFR + Injectors + Pigtails: $585
Will PM you guys how to send the payment in....
03-27-2012, 01:26 PM
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guys, i was checking out this AFR unit. it's LC-1 based...would that be a problem with this ECU?
plus...it lights up RED which would compliment the type-s lighting interior perfectly.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php
let me know what you all think please. thanks.
plus...it lights up RED which would compliment the type-s lighting interior perfectly.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php
let me know what you all think please. thanks.
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^^^ I think that will work just fine Sharky....
i know Rodney has some kind of hookup with them....but yeah how much are you getting the kit out the door ? shipped ? will see if Rodney can get you that price or better....
i know Rodney has some kind of hookup with them....but yeah how much are you getting the kit out the door ? shipped ? will see if Rodney can get you that price or better....
03-27-2012, 01:59 PM
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can you please confirm whether it's compatible and any other important info i may need to know.
03-27-2012, 02:04 PM
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^^^ I know they all (LC1/DB) use the same controller (XD-8 ???) and same sensor just different gauges (colors and needles/digi/etc)....
178 seems like a decent price....can you post a link ??? I know innovative's website sells them for 210 plus shipping....
178 seems like a decent price....can you post a link ??? I know innovative's website sells them for 210 plus shipping....
03-27-2012, 02:06 PM
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and i qualify for free shipping. i just want to make sure it's compatible with J&R's product. i don't want any surprises when i go to hook it up.
03-27-2012, 02:18 PM
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^^^ the link above and the amazon link are 2 different product....
the innovative link you posted is for the DB2 model which is more expensive than the LC1 which you posted from Amazon....
and the controller gives out 0-5V which I THINK compatible with the ECU....I think KN_TL or Sonnick can help you better here....neither i have the gauges nor the ECU
the innovative link you posted is for the DB2 model which is more expensive than the LC1 which you posted from Amazon....
and the controller gives out 0-5V which I THINK compatible with the ECU....I think KN_TL or Sonnick can help you better here....neither i have the gauges nor the ECU
03-27-2012, 02:25 PM
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^i'm pretty sure they're the same product.
03-27-2012, 02:34 PM
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All,
The LC1's 0-5v calibration is supported by the megasquirt...its in the drop down menu for EGO AFR monitoring. Im using that profile for a different Innovate product....works just fine.
The LC1's 0-5v calibration is supported by the megasquirt...its in the drop down menu for EGO AFR monitoring. Im using that profile for a different Innovate product....works just fine.
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03-27-2012, 02:37 PM
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03-27-2012, 02:41 PM
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FYI Innovate's products have been recognized as the most accurate in the industry. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php