Group Buy for JnR ECU - Dyno's/Gains (12/23); Prices Posted (1/7)
03-27-2012, 02:43 PM
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FYI Innovate's products have been recognized as the most accurate in the industry. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php
thanks andy! ordered!
03-27-2012, 05:21 PM
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You're correct, Bosch is the standard for sensors. But the calibration and accuracy is what makes the controllers different. Placement also makes a difference but so far I haven't found a sensor that could be installed at the cylinder exhaust outlet and survive the temps.
03-28-2012, 07:37 AM
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I'm using my windshield washer bottle. IHC's story about being poisoned freaked me out so I made sure mine was outside.
Bert has his in his trunk.
BTW, I did a bit more research. To implement the MS3 you'll need to use a fast acting valve that Coolingmist uses in their systems. That's about as far as I got.
Bert has his in his trunk.
BTW, I did a bit more research. To implement the MS3 you'll need to use a fast acting valve that Coolingmist uses in their systems. That's about as far as I got.
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03-28-2012, 08:08 AM
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slightly off topic, but does anybody have a picture of what J&R's knock monitor looks like? i want to get an idea of where i'm going to place it in the vehicle so i'd like to see the shape/size of it.
thanks!
thanks!
03-28-2012, 08:28 AM
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^very cool. isn't there an indicator light or something that you place somewhere in your line of sight? it flashes when knock is detected?
or am i dreaming?
or am i dreaming?
03-28-2012, 08:36 AM
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.SEE QUOTES BELOW FOR MORE INFO
Yes you can log all day to an SD card for later reviewal or live log on your PC/or Record.So, to put it in a nutshell, the knock box has an IC controller which detects "x" number of occurances of knock per millisecond by analyzing the output from the stock knock sensor. The knock box has a potentiometer adjustment on the side of the unit to tweak its sensitivity to knock or "noise" for that matter. The only OUTPUT that the knock box gives is a High/Low to the ECU. The ECU then has parameters (defined by the owner/tuner) as to when to pull "X" number of degrees of timing on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd instances of knock within a set period of time (ms).
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03-28-2012, 08:55 AM
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thanks tim and kurt.
about sending it back...damn, i never even thought about that. how hard is it to wire up myself?
about sending it back...damn, i never even thought about that. how hard is it to wire up myself?
03-28-2012, 10:11 AM
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Standard kit comes with a 3qt tank but there are 1 gal 2.5gal 3gal 5gal and even a 7gal you can buy. Im thinking of adding it over my wiper bottle since theres sooo much space there. I just have to watch out for my tires eating away at the liner and hitting it lol
Price of being low..
03-28-2012, 11:31 AM
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Also like Rodney, his customer service is outstanding. I was getting responses from him on Sundays.
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03-28-2012, 11:44 AM
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damn thats great info.....
03-28-2012, 12:11 PM
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The kit I bought from Alky uses a GM 2-bar MAP sensor. Compared to AEM and Snow, he uses all stainless steel braided lines vs the nylon braided lines that the other two uses.
Also like Rodney, his customer service is outstanding. I was getting responses from him on Sundays.
Also like Rodney, his customer service is outstanding. I was getting responses from him on Sundays.
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03-28-2012, 02:02 PM
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^ 
hey man.... don't interrupt us here.... we're trying to discuss methanol kits for our TL here.
I was thinking the same thing. To get back at them, perhaps you should start discussing the ecu and knock monitoring in your thread.
hey man.... don't interrupt us here.... we're trying to discuss methanol kits for our TL here.
I was thinking the same thing. To get back at them, perhaps you should start discussing the ecu and knock monitoring in your thread.
did a noob thing and didnt search
03-29-2012, 12:12 AM
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ok so to bring back to topic of meth injection....i saw a deal on bisimoto (dont ask me why i was there 
) for water meth injection.....
is there anything else needed other than this ???
http://www.bisimoto.com/store/index....products_id=27
) for water meth injection.....is there anything else needed other than this ???
http://www.bisimoto.com/store/index....products_id=27
03-29-2012, 12:31 AM
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are you guys doing it on boosted car or N/A? The AEM works best for boosted car. Not so well on N/A cars. Thats why I got the aquamist one. Since it runs off my fuel injector duty. It also is metered like a fuel injected car so the its very linear spray.
stuff that other company use
notice the difference.
aqua sliver gold other * i think*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...SNmn6A64M&NR=1
stuff that other company use
notice the difference.
aqua sliver gold other * i think*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...SNmn6A64M&NR=1
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03-29-2012, 07:09 AM
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^Yeah, the spray difference is due to the use of the fast acting valve vs progressively 'winding' up the pump like a lot of the companies are doing.
But you are right about being more flexible. With the MS3, you set it up based on the MAP reading but I don't know how accurate it would be.
Anyone ever consider putting the jets in the runners? I don't know if you'd need to time it with the injector pulse but they do make manifolds for these systems. Would solve the distribution issue.
Sorry for creating a new thread. I just wanted to keep the information separate for search purposes. These threads get too busy and the information gets lost.
But you are right about being more flexible. With the MS3, you set it up based on the MAP reading but I don't know how accurate it would be.
Anyone ever consider putting the jets in the runners? I don't know if you'd need to time it with the injector pulse but they do make manifolds for these systems. Would solve the distribution issue.
Sorry for creating a new thread. I just wanted to keep the information separate for search purposes. These threads get too busy and the information gets lost.
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03-31-2012, 03:38 PM
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Just posting up some more prices i got for your folks....
I had Rodney give me some prices for you guys....all prices including shipping:
AEM AFR: 195
Knock Units: 110
EGR Delete: 20
Injectors: 265
Pigtails: 125
Aeromotive Fuel Pump ONLY $168
Aeromotive Fuel Pump Assembly: $280 (recommended by Rodney)
so far we have:
Aaron: Knock Monitor: $110
Justin: AFR + Knock Monitor: $305
Feji: AFR + Injectors + Pigtails: $585 + Fuel pump ?
Will PM you guys how to send the payment in....
Also 3 more ECU's went out....so that leaves only 4 people on the list
I had Rodney give me some prices for you guys....all prices including shipping:
AEM AFR: 195
Knock Units: 110
EGR Delete: 20
Injectors: 265
Pigtails: 125
Aeromotive Fuel Pump ONLY $168
Aeromotive Fuel Pump Assembly: $280 (recommended by Rodney)
so far we have:
Aaron: Knock Monitor: $110
Justin: AFR + Knock Monitor: $305
Feji: AFR + Injectors + Pigtails: $585 + Fuel pump ?
Will PM you guys how to send the payment in....
Also 3 more ECU's went out....so that leaves only 4 people on the list
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03-31-2012, 06:18 PM
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Update on my MS3 ECU:
I have engine code show up I keep resetting they are P0720,P0138 and P0158. I have start up issues not to happy about but here it is. For my car not to show code P0720 I have to turn ignition 3 times and start and a little gas my RPM shoots to 1800 if I just turn it to start with gas it shoots to 2000 and code comes on right away, idling is all over the place jumping from 1200,1000,700. when I have that code on P0720 I have a hard time putting into 5th gear sometime it wont go in.
I also notice when driving and I let off the gas it seems the rpm don't drop but stays there for awhile before dropping and very slowly, it seem like i still have my foot on the gas but i don't. i also notice when driving at a certain speed then i punch it the car bogs and jerks.
Also my stock gauges aren't working properly, temp gauge and my Liter to empty numbers don't match my gas gauge. my car has a strong smell of carbon or gas,if i pull a gear a lots off the gas man it sounds like a machine gun going off (all the back fire). I lost about 150-200 km in fuel mileage but my L/100 reads 7 doesn't add up. and I have knock when driving hard light goes on at high rpm.
If I take it to a professional tuner can they fix these problems? Performance wise my car is an animal it is fuc@in crazy I cant believe the gains I got with this MS3 ECU the car is ridiculously fast and it pull hard really hard, it is worth the money and it is a plug n play but really its not.
I have engine code show up I keep resetting they are P0720,P0138 and P0158. I have start up issues not to happy about but here it is. For my car not to show code P0720 I have to turn ignition 3 times and start and a little gas my RPM shoots to 1800 if I just turn it to start with gas it shoots to 2000 and code comes on right away, idling is all over the place jumping from 1200,1000,700. when I have that code on P0720 I have a hard time putting into 5th gear sometime it wont go in.
I also notice when driving and I let off the gas it seems the rpm don't drop but stays there for awhile before dropping and very slowly, it seem like i still have my foot on the gas but i don't. i also notice when driving at a certain speed then i punch it the car bogs and jerks.
Also my stock gauges aren't working properly, temp gauge and my Liter to empty numbers don't match my gas gauge. my car has a strong smell of carbon or gas,if i pull a gear a lots off the gas man it sounds like a machine gun going off (all the back fire). I lost about 150-200 km in fuel mileage but my L/100 reads 7 doesn't add up. and I have knock when driving hard light goes on at high rpm.
If I take it to a professional tuner can they fix these problems? Performance wise my car is an animal it is fuc@in crazy I cant believe the gains I got with this MS3 ECU the car is ridiculously fast and it pull hard really hard, it is worth the money and it is a plug n play but really its not.
03-31-2012, 07:23 PM
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^okay quick reply to some of your answers.....
those first two codes are you running rich codes (which is normal and there is no fix as of yet that I know of...just delete them or leave it....
the other one since P0158 I think is your VTEC being bumped up which Rodney had talked about which will set off a CEL.....
the machine guns (back fire is normal as more fuel is being fed into the cylinder and the excess when you let off pedal is burned off thru exhaust and which in turn causes the BOOM BOOM for the back!!)
your other starting issues can be fixed as I used to have that...either Talking to Rodney and you hooking up with a laptop with tunerstudios or have someone with knowledge of MS3 around you tune it for you!!!......
oh also the Accelerator feeling like the car is not slowing down has something to do with the driveby wire and MS3, forget what Rodney told me but it is normal and you get used to it!!
those first two codes are you running rich codes (which is normal and there is no fix as of yet that I know of...just delete them or leave it....
the other one since P0158 I think is your VTEC being bumped up which Rodney had talked about which will set off a CEL.....
the machine guns (back fire is normal as more fuel is being fed into the cylinder and the excess when you let off pedal is burned off thru exhaust and which in turn causes the BOOM BOOM for the back!!)
your other starting issues can be fixed as I used to have that...either Talking to Rodney and you hooking up with a laptop with tunerstudios or have someone with knowledge of MS3 around you tune it for you!!!......
oh also the Accelerator feeling like the car is not slowing down has something to do with the driveby wire and MS3, forget what Rodney told me but it is normal and you get used to it!!
03-31-2012, 08:21 PM
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Joey am gonna call Rodney later today and will talk to him about your situation and will have Rodney post on here....
03-31-2012, 09:07 PM
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03-31-2012, 09:37 PM
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04' tl 6 spd
P0158-02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2)
P0138-O2 Oxygen Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank1, Sensor2)
P0720-Output Speed Sensor Circuit
The speed sensor detects the revolution of the idler gear parking pawl lock gear and emits a pulse signal. The pulse signal is sent to the Transmission Control Module (TCM) which converts it into vehicle speed.
P0138-O2 Oxygen Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank1, Sensor2)
P0720-Output Speed Sensor Circuit
The speed sensor detects the revolution of the idler gear parking pawl lock gear and emits a pulse signal. The pulse signal is sent to the Transmission Control Module (TCM) which converts it into vehicle speed.
03-31-2012, 11:13 PM
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alright fellas....i spoke with Rodney and he will get on here tomorrow or on Monday.....he is working on couple other ECU's and cars.....
Joey, send him an email with all the problems....he hasnt gotten an email from you.....
Joey, send him an email with all the problems....he hasnt gotten an email from you.....
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04-01-2012, 01:30 PM
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P0158-02 Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2)
P0138-O2 Oxygen Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank1, Sensor2)
P0720-Output Speed Sensor Circuit
The speed sensor detects the revolution of the idler gear parking pawl lock gear and emits a pulse signal. The pulse signal is sent to the Transmission Control Module (TCM) which converts it into vehicle speed.
P0138-O2 Oxygen Sensor Circuit High Voltage (Bank1, Sensor2)
P0720-Output Speed Sensor Circuit
The speed sensor detects the revolution of the idler gear parking pawl lock gear and emits a pulse signal. The pulse signal is sent to the Transmission Control Module (TCM) which converts it into vehicle speed.
........so much for assuming it was the usual 3 codes..lol but yeah Rodney will take care of you don't worry!!!.....usually it always ends up being something minor and fixable!!