Tech14 Complete Audio Installation
08-17-2008, 09:35 PM
#41
2008 NBP TL
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Originally Posted by DeltaCTU24
You mean i'm going to keep the stock headunit and run the speaker wires to the line out converters, then to the amps. Ok I get it now by splicing the wires so one wire goes into the stock amp and one going to the aftermarket amp. Correct? Sorry for the questions, but the bluetooth is one of my favorite features of the car and something that i do not want to lose. Also, there aren't any dash kits for this car if I decide to go with a head unit like the DNX 8120?
HU------->Stock Amp------TAP------->LOC-------------->Aftermarket Amp------->Speakers
08-18-2008, 05:40 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by DeltaCTU24
You mean i'm going to keep the stock headunit and run the speaker wires to the line out converters, then to the amps. Ok I get it now by splicing the wires so one wire goes into the stock amp and one going to the aftermarket amp. Correct? Sorry for the questions, but the bluetooth is one of my favorite features of the car and something that i do not want to lose. Also, there aren't any dash kits for this car if I decide to go with a head unit like the DNX 8120?
The 8120 comes with bluetooth built in and a mic. It does a great job of reading my contact list as well. I miss the voice from the HFL a little but the features and sound quality of the 8120 are much better. I also like having full control of my iPod with the 8120.
08-20-2008, 04:19 PM
#43
2008 NBP TL
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I have recently purchased an Alpine MRP-M500 Monoblock amp. It can run 500 watts at 2 ohms. Do you guys have any recommendations for a slightly affordable 12" 2 ohm subwoofer which is rated at 500 watts RMS?
Besides the Alpine Type R's?
Besides the Alpine Type R's?
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08-20-2008, 04:58 PM
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Image Dynamics IDQ 12 V3 comes to mind. To me, they will blow the Type R away. Outstanding SQ subs and the new V3 is suppose to have more output than the V2 subs.
08-23-2008, 11:33 PM
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I have the DNX8120 in my TL. There are no dash kits for the 04+ TL. I looked and looked but there is none. If you look around this section of the furum, you'll see KIngofPain's and my double din install. The aftermarket head unit fits in there nicely but you'll have those factory radio knob cutouts to deal with.
The 8120 comes with bluetooth built in and a mic. It does a great job of reading my contact list as well. I miss the voice from the HFL a little but the features and sound quality of the 8120 are much better. I also like having full control of my iPod with the 8120.
The 8120 comes with bluetooth built in and a mic. It does a great job of reading my contact list as well. I miss the voice from the HFL a little but the features and sound quality of the 8120 are much better. I also like having full control of my iPod with the 8120.
08-23-2008, 11:34 PM
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I meant to say stock head unit sorry. The stock stereo system has an amp that powers the speakers. It is also is used for the HFL. You have to keep the stock amp in order to retain your HFL functionality. The signal from the stock head unit is taken in, amplified, then sent out. You want to tap into those outgoing wires. Instead of routing them to the speakers, send them to LOC's, which converts them to rca inputs for your aftermarket amps. Then you can run speaker wire from your aftermarket amps to your speakers. I have made a cheesy wiring diagram below to try and illustrate.
HU------->Stock Amp------TAP------->LOC-------------->Aftermarket Amp------->Speakers
HU------->Stock Amp------TAP------->LOC-------------->Aftermarket Amp------->Speakers
Does the car has a LOC or do I have to purchase one?
08-24-2008, 08:20 PM
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Under-rated.
If you buy it make sure to get in on the forum pricing....
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_...roducts_id=353
08-29-2008, 04:32 AM
#50
2008 NBP TL
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From what others have told me on this forum, I hear David Navone LOC's are decent. Mr. Navone is also helpful regarding questions you may have.
http://www.davidnavone.com/cart.asp?24&cat=7
http://www.davidnavone.com/cart.asp?24&cat=7
08-29-2008, 05:29 AM
#51
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Ive heard nothing but good things about Navone loc's.nice install!
the only thing I might recomend is dynamating the entire front door, Sealing it off. it should improove your sound quality from your mids...same idea as why you wouldnt want to run a woofer free air
08-31-2008, 11:13 PM
#53
2008 NBP TL
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I believe that you would have to get a Navone 4-channel LOC for the front and rear speakers, then get a Navone two-channel LOC for the center and subwoofer channel.
10-21-2008, 02:16 AM
#56
2008 NBP TL
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I have switched things up a bit since my first installation. I decided to add an Alpine mono subwoofer amplifier. It currently is putting out 300 watts at 4 ohms to my old subwoofer. I am going to get a 500 watt 12" 2 ohm subwoofer next in order to take advantage of its peak power rating of 500 watts. I have the 4 channel Alpine running my four cabin speakers, and the Pioneer amp running my center speaker and an additional 6x9 in the trunk. I still need to find an affordable 12" 500 watt 2 ohm subwoofer...
10-21-2008, 02:17 AM
#57
2008 NBP TL
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Audio System Addition
I have switched things up a bit since my first installation. I decided to add an Alpine mono subwoofer amplifier. It currently is putting out 300 watts at 4 ohms to my old subwoofer. I am going to get a 500 watt 12" 2 ohm subwoofer next in order to take advantage of its peak power rating of 500 watts. I have the 4 channel Alpine running my four cabin speakers, and the Pioneer amp running my center speaker and an additional 6x9 in the trunk. I still need to find an affordable 12" 500 watt 2 ohm subwoofer...
11-01-2008, 11:30 PM
#58
2008 NBP TL
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Originally Posted by kris10950
hey, how did you hook up a turn on wires for your three amp. and is it only on if the radio is turn on, or when the key is in position2. thanks
Picture of Fusebox
ATM Add a Fuse Wiretap
http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/miatmfua.html
11-03-2008, 10:51 PM
#61
2008 NBP TL
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Cars have lots of sheet metal that vibrates when a speaker operates. this creates excess noise and distortion. When Dynamat or other sound deadeners are applied, it makes the surface of the sheet metal less prone to vibration and noise. It basically helps you to hear more music, and less vibration and rattling of the sheet metal.
Some people choose to cover their entire door panels, trunk, floors, and roof. When the sound deadening is applied this way, it can reduce a lot of your road noise when you drive, and make the car quieter.
I am on a budget, so I applied sound deadening only to the areas that are the most prone to rattling. This consists of the mounting locations for all 5 speakers, rear deck, and trunk lid. I also added products called Dynaxorb and Ensolite to help break up the backwave distortion that can reduce sound quality. It is placed behind the speaker.
This guy did a lot of research on different types of sound deadeners:
http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
Some people choose to cover their entire door panels, trunk, floors, and roof. When the sound deadening is applied this way, it can reduce a lot of your road noise when you drive, and make the car quieter.
I am on a budget, so I applied sound deadening only to the areas that are the most prone to rattling. This consists of the mounting locations for all 5 speakers, rear deck, and trunk lid. I also added products called Dynaxorb and Ensolite to help break up the backwave distortion that can reduce sound quality. It is placed behind the speaker.
This guy did a lot of research on different types of sound deadeners:
http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
11-04-2008, 01:40 PM
#63
2008 NBP TL
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The best I have found was a box made by Audio Enhancers which is designed for the Alpine Type R sub at a local shop. It is $125. However, I was curious if there are any other brands out there that offer high quality construction and sound. I want a ported box. Besides cubic feet recommendations within the box, I am not sure what to look for.
11-04-2008, 01:52 PM
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The important things are cubic feet for the type of box you want (yes, they are different). If you're going ported, make sure the port diameter is around 3" wide and extends about 9" into the box.
If you're only doing one sub maybe the port can be put on top and pointed at the empty hole where your stock sub used to be. That would be wicked!
Also, did you ever cut out the carpet material from the underside of the deck in the trunk to allow free air to travel into the cabin? How did that turn out?
If you're only doing one sub maybe the port can be put on top and pointed at the empty hole where your stock sub used to be. That would be wicked!
Also, did you ever cut out the carpet material from the underside of the deck in the trunk to allow free air to travel into the cabin? How did that turn out?
11-04-2008, 03:56 PM
#65
2008 NBP TL
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The important things are cubic feet for the type of box you want (yes, they are different). If you're going ported, make sure the port diameter is around 3" wide and extends about 9" into the box.
If you're only doing one sub maybe the port can be put on top and pointed at the empty hole where your stock sub used to be. That would be wicked!
Also, did you ever cut out the carpet material from the underside of the deck in the trunk to allow free air to travel into the cabin? How did that turn out?
If you're only doing one sub maybe the port can be put on top and pointed at the empty hole where your stock sub used to be. That would be wicked!
Also, did you ever cut out the carpet material from the underside of the deck in the trunk to allow free air to travel into the cabin? How did that turn out?
11-07-2008, 09:18 PM
#66
2008 NBP TL
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Oh yes...it is finally mine.
I picked up this little guy the other day...
Alpine 12" SWR-1222D 500 watts RMS dual 2 ohm voice coils:
I am still waiting for my speaker box to arrive that I ordered. I was wondering what you guys think about having the outside of the box sprayed with that truck bed liner material. They said it helps seal the box, and deaden sound. Do you guys agree? Or should I go with the traditional carpet covering?
Alpine 12" SWR-1222D 500 watts RMS dual 2 ohm voice coils:
I am still waiting for my speaker box to arrive that I ordered. I was wondering what you guys think about having the outside of the box sprayed with that truck bed liner material. They said it helps seal the box, and deaden sound. Do you guys agree? Or should I go with the traditional carpet covering?
11-28-2008, 10:36 PM
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well the hiss is supposed to be there its called noise. once frequency is applied the noise disappears. its the state of silence the amp stays in until u turn the volume up (its normal) any system someone builds is going to have noise.....its a good thing....the one thing u should be afraid of having is the alternator whine....thats where probs occur.
...when my system is on and the volume is completely turned down, absolutely no sound, hiss, whine, nothing...completely quite. Anything except music would be completely unacceptable...
11-28-2008, 10:43 PM
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I meant to say stock head unit sorry. The stock stereo system has an amp that powers the speakers. It is also is used for the HFL. You have to keep the stock amp in order to retain your HFL functionality. The signal from the stock head unit is taken in, amplified, then sent out. You want to tap into those outgoing wires. Instead of routing them to the speakers, send them to LOC's, which converts them to rca inputs for your aftermarket amps. Then you can run speaker wire from your aftermarket amps to your speakers. I have made a cheesy wiring diagram below to try and illustrate.
HU------->Stock Amp------TAP------->LOC-------------->Aftermarket Amp------->Speakers
HU------->Stock Amp------TAP------->LOC-------------->Aftermarket Amp------->Speakers
My config Stock HU --->Balanced Line Transmitter ----> Aftermarket Amps w/ built in processing ----->Speakers
11-28-2008, 11:56 PM
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2008 NBP TL
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1. What is a balanced line transmitter? What is the brand name? What does it do?
2. I am assuming the built in processing for your amps refers to the speaker level inputs?
3. Is getting rid of your amp, and using the line transmitter what got rid of the hiss? Does it give you a better signal?
Please specify details of the exact devices you used to fix the hissing signal problem. Did you use LOC's?
11-29-2008, 10:17 AM
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Okay... you have my attention.
1. What is a balanced line transmitter? What is the brand name? What does it do?
2. I am assuming the built in processing for your amps refers to the speaker level inputs?
3. Is getting rid of your amp, and using the line transmitter what got rid of the hiss? Does it give you a better signal?
Please specify details of the exact devices you used to fix the hissing signal problem. Did you use LOC's?
1. What is a balanced line transmitter? What is the brand name? What does it do?
2. I am assuming the built in processing for your amps refers to the speaker level inputs?
3. Is getting rid of your amp, and using the line transmitter what got rid of the hiss? Does it give you a better signal?
Please specify details of the exact devices you used to fix the hissing signal problem. Did you use LOC's?
The balanced line transmitter flattens the signal coming from the HU going to the amps.
The Zapco Amps have built in digital processing that you can tune through a laptop application. EQ, Time Alignment, Balance Controls, etc... you can use the rockford 360.2 to accomplish similar functions
I am running an "active" system, meaning amps straight to speakers, no LOC's.
I would contact the Zapco guys to see if the BLT would work in your set-up, the are a lot cheaper then going the 360.2 route, however you don't have the tuning capabilities.
I wanted to streamline the system as much as possible. I started with replacing all speakers, keeping the stock amp and running it to the Zapco amps, etc...there were too many places where problems could pop up. I now run a three way front stage (tweet, 4'' mid, and 6.5'' mid) no rear fill, and two 10'' subs.
Bottom line, you need to find something to flatten the signal from your HU. Those that change out the HU are making a mistake, imho, there are those competing that use the stock TL HU and have won tons of 1st place trophy's.
Anyway, hope that helps...
11-29-2008, 05:07 PM
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It doesn't show up on their web-site. Just give them a call, Jason or one of the other guys can help you. Tell them exactly what you are doing and they will make the recommendation. Kirk Profit, MECA World Champ, has a 2005 TL and uses Zapco stuff w/ stock hu. Hopefully their BTL is compatible with your application.
12-07-2008, 02:09 AM
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2008 NBP TL
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The Complete Installers Resource Post 04-08
When I first bought my 08 TL I didn't have a clue about how the thing was put together. I was planning on performing a complete stereo upgrade, and I was quite intimidated. However, after searching extensively through this forum, I was able to find the resources I needed to successfully complete my installation. I wanted to list the threads that I found the most helpful to me for the people who are contemplating performing their own stereo upgrade.
GREAT INSTALLATION THREADS WITH PICTURES
Death to Toasters Install Part 1
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/diy-aftermarket-amp-install-speaker-install-audiocontrol-matrix-install-w-pics-580314/
Death to Toasters Install Part 2
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/part-3-amp-install-audio-control-matrix-speaker-replacement-581820/
King of Pain Install 1
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/finished-my-audio-upgrade-finally-593417/
King of Pain Install 2
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/my-third-audio-install-my-last-634383/
King of Pain Install 3
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634383
CS-SuperchargedTL Install
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/update-major-installation-setup-lots-pics-641740/
RJAnaconda Install
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/my-component-upgrade-638551/
Stew4HD Install 1
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/help-requested-audio-upgrade-642625/
Stew4HD Install 2
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/another-double-din-install-lots-pix-643521/
ChicoOG Install
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/full-system-install-simplicity-630201/
Tech14 Install
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=643839
Pictures of Trunk Systems
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/post-pics-your-trunks-systems-643925/
TL INTERIOR TAKEDOWN, SPECIFICATIONS, AND OTHER RESOURCES
Door Panel Removal Thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/how-remove-door-panels-3g-garage-f-016-a-559144/
Rear Seat Removal Thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/how-remove-back-seats-put-suspension-3g-garage-f-070-a-567460/
B Pillar Removal
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/b-pillar-removal-pillar-added-want-better-place-put-577773/
Glove Box Removal
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=14
Head Unit Removal 1
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/those-who-have-service-manual-i-need-help-3g-garage-f-052-a-557238/
Head Unit Removal 2
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/help-needed-removing-head-unit-618989/
Tapping into the Fusebox for Remote Turn On
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=643839&page=2
Stock Speaker Sizes
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/question-speakers-602658/
Tweeter Mounting
https://acurazine.com/forums/8392596-post/
Wiring Diagram for Stock Amplifier
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/details-stock-tl-amp-558485/
Tapping Into the Stock Amplifier
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=31
Noise Cancellation Subwoofer Issue
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/big-problems-need-help-sub-noise-cancellation-609759/
Good Sound Deadening Research Site
http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
Ipod Integration
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/i-058-playa4reals-peripheral-pxamg-install-3g-type-s-698771/
TL Audio Garage
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/3g-tl-audio-electronics-faq-605299/
GREAT INSTALLATION THREADS WITH PICTURES
Death to Toasters Install Part 1
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/diy-aftermarket-amp-install-speaker-install-audiocontrol-matrix-install-w-pics-580314/
Death to Toasters Install Part 2
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/part-3-amp-install-audio-control-matrix-speaker-replacement-581820/
King of Pain Install 1
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/finished-my-audio-upgrade-finally-593417/
King of Pain Install 2
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/my-third-audio-install-my-last-634383/
King of Pain Install 3
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=634383
CS-SuperchargedTL Install
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/update-major-installation-setup-lots-pics-641740/
RJAnaconda Install
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/my-component-upgrade-638551/
Stew4HD Install 1
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/help-requested-audio-upgrade-642625/
Stew4HD Install 2
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/another-double-din-install-lots-pix-643521/
ChicoOG Install
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/full-system-install-simplicity-630201/
Tech14 Install
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=643839
Pictures of Trunk Systems
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/post-pics-your-trunks-systems-643925/
TL INTERIOR TAKEDOWN, SPECIFICATIONS, AND OTHER RESOURCES
Door Panel Removal Thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/how-remove-door-panels-3g-garage-f-016-a-559144/
Rear Seat Removal Thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/how-remove-back-seats-put-suspension-3g-garage-f-070-a-567460/
B Pillar Removal
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/b-pillar-removal-pillar-added-want-better-place-put-577773/
Glove Box Removal
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=14
Head Unit Removal 1
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/those-who-have-service-manual-i-need-help-3g-garage-f-052-a-557238/
Head Unit Removal 2
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/help-needed-removing-head-unit-618989/
Tapping into the Fusebox for Remote Turn On
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=643839&page=2
Stock Speaker Sizes
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/question-speakers-602658/
Tweeter Mounting
https://acurazine.com/forums/8392596-post/
Wiring Diagram for Stock Amplifier
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/details-stock-tl-amp-558485/
Tapping Into the Stock Amplifier
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=31
Noise Cancellation Subwoofer Issue
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/big-problems-need-help-sub-noise-cancellation-609759/
Good Sound Deadening Research Site
http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
Ipod Integration
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/i-058-playa4reals-peripheral-pxamg-install-3g-type-s-698771/
TL Audio Garage
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/3g-tl-audio-electronics-faq-605299/
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12-25-2008, 04:13 AM
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Equipment Summary Update
Speakers
Alpine SPR-17S 6.5” component speakers 110 Watts RMS
Kicker KS65.2 6.5” component speakers 75 Watts RMS
Polk Audio DB351 3.5” Coaxial 35 Watts RMS
Alpine Type R 1242D 12" Subwoofer 500 Watts RMS at 2 ohms in a ported box
Pioneer TS-A6969 6x9" Coaxial speaker sealed in a box 60 Watts RMS
Amps
Alpine MRP-F600 4 channel amp 100 watts x 4 (Alpine front and Kicker Components rear)
Alpine MRP-M500 mono amp powering the subwoofer at 500 Watts RMS at 2 ohms
Pioneer GM-X334 4 channel amp bridged to 70 Watts x 1 RMS for a 6x9 in the trunk and the second channel supplies 35 Watts RMS to the center Polk coaxial speaker
Speakers
Alpine SPR-17S 6.5” component speakers 110 Watts RMS
Kicker KS65.2 6.5” component speakers 75 Watts RMS
Polk Audio DB351 3.5” Coaxial 35 Watts RMS
Alpine Type R 1242D 12" Subwoofer 500 Watts RMS at 2 ohms in a ported box
Pioneer TS-A6969 6x9" Coaxial speaker sealed in a box 60 Watts RMS
Amps
Alpine MRP-F600 4 channel amp 100 watts x 4 (Alpine front and Kicker Components rear)
Alpine MRP-M500 mono amp powering the subwoofer at 500 Watts RMS at 2 ohms
Pioneer GM-X334 4 channel amp bridged to 70 Watts x 1 RMS for a 6x9 in the trunk and the second channel supplies 35 Watts RMS to the center Polk coaxial speaker
