"Daytime" "running" "Lights" Daytime running lights foo

 

For a point of reference, let's look at hp/weight ratio of the 2006 TL and the 2007 TL:

2006 TL - 3591 lbs, 258 hp = 13.91 lbs/hp
2007 TL - 3680 lbs, 286 hp = 12.87 lbs/hp (Weight est. from Autoweek website)

 

Yeah but I bet more people Lease the TL then buy it....I know more people lease the Accord rather then buy it.

 

She's gettin fat! 1-800-96Jenny is the 3591 lbs the same for 04 and 05 also I'm guessing models with nav weight more.

 

No its the 3.5L Engine thats adding that weight....cuz that is the 2007 TL Type S that is weighs that much.

 

Ummm..... I was away for four days in Chicago, and the thread went from page 60 to page 82. Please can someone tell me everything that happened in the past 22 pages? I have no time today. Thanks.

 

Yeah I know the bottom one you listed was for the Type S but all around in General I ment any model with nave is going to weigh more. models with out nav weigh less.

 

we found pics of the 07 TL and TL Type S. go Chicago!!

 

Oh I didn't know that the Navi's weigh more....learn somethin new everyday....

 

The 2006 weight that I gave was an automatic with navi. According to Edmunds, the '06 auto w/o navi weighs 3580 lbs., so it appears the navi adds a negligible amount of weight to the car.

I have no idea which '07 TL-S weighs 3680 lbs (auto vs. manual, navi vs. non-navi).

 

Yea Chicago is nice... I liked it.

1. I found the autoweek link. Any more info other than what is by the pics?
2. Type-S wheels are UGLY
3. Type-S has different tails from regular? Wierd. And still no amber turn signals?
4. No power boost for base model? This seems dissappointing.
5. Everyting seems well otherwise. I like it.

 

I wonder if many people had objections when the 2G TL-S came out in 2002 and the hp on the TL-P stayed the same...

 

Well, the tranny did go from 4-spd to 5-spd though.
Also, For many people, like me, the acceleration and better looks of the Type-S were enough to sell me over the premium.
However, the next Type-S will probably be a good amount more than the base.

 

Hey thanks for the info, but where did you get that pic? Is that what the new '07 is going to look like?

 

Honda switched to a 5-spd tranny before the TL-S came out.

The 5-spd came out in 2000; the TL-S in 2002. So there was no immediate change to the TL-P when the TL-S came out.

 

Yes its the new 07......

go here to find more pics
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...=808002&Ref=PH

 

Do you think the engine is the reason for it being 1" longer?

Hopefully this wont be a problem for the A-Spec kit.

 

It could be, but i really didnt' know that they were gonna make it longer....

 

Thats what someone pointed out in the specs a while back.

 

It was George Carlin who once said, doing a skit about sex,

"IT'S NOT HOW LONG YA MAKE IT, IT'S HOW YA MAKE IT LONG"!!!

 

The Type-S will come with paddle shift with Automatic only, no paddles with Manual.

 

May be good in Boston.... but in California we're getting the same for less. In fact I got the exact same last Saturday for 31, 300 and reports from Southern California are as low as 29,500.... question is do you want to quibble over a few hundred dollars.
D.

 

Thats right. Since paddle shifts are computer operated, how would you switch from a manual to the paddle shifts? I dont think its possible.

I do know that the paddle shifts on other cars make the car faster than manual since the computer is actually faster in making the change.. i just dont know if that is the same for the TL. Cant wait to see the 1/4 mile time specs.

 

The Paddle shifts on the TL wont be faster than the manuel because its a still an automatic with a torque converter. The Type S is basically getting a "new" auto tranny, which is just the one the RL has.

The paddle shift tranny that you are talking about that shifts just as fast or even faster than manuel are the automatic clutch tranny, like the BMW SMG

 

Looks like Manual is the way to go for a Type S then. I've been wanting to get this answered. Thanks!! Even if they have the same gear ratio's, the auto will still be slower from what you are saying.

 

Manual can have paddle shifters too, clutch "n" shift like most race cars, who don't have a manual gear stick, they're all steering mounted shifters.

Not sure I follow the logic in your statement, in both cases the computer is making the internal gear changes, however the only way I see it being "faster" with paddle shifters is that the paddle shifter is a "touch n click" gear change as opposed to the actual arm movement sliding the gear stick from gear to gear.

However "real world" operating times of either of the above techniques will be downright negligible unless the only reason you're buying your TL is to race it everyday at a local circuit that even a few tenths of a second lag will affect you in a noticeable way.

 

He doesnt mean shift faster, he meant car go faster in general. The TL paddle shift is attached to a regular auto tranny with a torque converter. Torque converters are what kills performance on cars. A manual car, ie with a clutch, bypasses the torque converter letting the car put more power to the ground. Some paddle shifters are actually attached to a new kind of tranny. These auto trannies do not have torque converters, but have a clutch. Examples are BMW's SMG tranny and Audi/VW's DSG tranny. You get the best of both worlds with these new trannies. Faster electronic gear shifts (vs manual pull of a stick) and no torque converter. Some guys just like the feel of a stick though and think of a SMG or DSG tranny as an auto. In some cases you can just put them in drive, and drive it like an auto.

 

^^ gothca

 

I wonder if they finally fixed the first to second gear change in the auto trannies. It would be nice to finally be in control of first gear in the autos without gate shifting.

 

Found this at Auto Week:
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...=808002&Ref=PH

Nice pic of the 07 TL in silver....

 

I think this thread should be retired, lol. 83 pages is gonna result in people not wanting to read some of it. Plus, there are other threads too involving the type-s pics and specs. This will eliminate repeated information and reposts.

 

Yeah, I think you are right. A new thread with the latest pics linked and the bullet list SLICK put together would definately eliminate the repeated posts of the same information or looking for the same info.

 

After seeing the photos of the Type S, I have to say the current model with the A-Spec package looks much better. The Type S looks way too busy.

 

I'm sure they will make an A-spec kit for you to put on your 07+ models. Just like they redesigned the lip kit for 02/03 TL's.

 

For those of you who have time and want to read what other car enthusiasts are saying about the new Type S:

NSX Forum:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74308

Volkswagon Forum:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=1&days=7&page=2

RX8 Forum:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=96135

G35 Forum:
http://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110844

Lexus Forum:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231404

CarSpyShots Forum:
http://carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=20574

 

one thing EVERYONE says "its a shame there is no sh-awd"

 

Speaking of SH-AWD they fixed my car after waiting 3 days "only a battery" anyway drove an RDX while they washed up my TL, not bad..weird turbo but its got balls

 

I hope they change the voice prompt for the blue tooth on the 07's I hate that B!@#%

 

According to "Chilibowl" on the G35 forum, anyone who buys the '07 TL over the '07 G35 "must be smoking some serious crack". I think they're both great choices and I'm not smoking anything. Well, actually I think the base TL is a great choice, I'm not so sure about paying $40K for a TL (maybe for the '09 TL with SH-AWD).

One more thing, does anyone know if Cool Blue Metallic will be available for the TL (or is the blue '07 TL the new blue color) ? I was just curious since the '07 Accord sedan will come in that nicer looking blue.

 

So if I buy a TL - S do I have to have those ugly wheels or can I choose something else? (at no additional cost)
And are the TL-S wheels 18's?