flint

iTrader: (2)

You know how some of us (me) have the reprogrammed PCM with a new tranny? I wonder if this will effect the unichip's operation or maps in anyway since the new PCM retads timing during shifts. All I need is for the Unichip to alter signals enough that I start getting check engine lights all the time. On the price $650 is not much different than $700 when your spending that much. I do however agree with Darrin and Ant that they shoud be more flexible with price if we get this many people to buy the product.

darrinb

guys we have to negotiate the price its way to high, just stick to my plan and i guarantee u they will lower the price

he lowers the price, makes money, we buy more and its a win win

he keeps it high at we just say fuck it, we wont buy it

100% he will come back to us with a cheaper price

c mon guys

stand up

Ant7701

I'll take a stand..but I just don't wanna lose this product all together.

As for the pulley...wont make a difference w/ or w/o. And the newer ecus won't make a difference either. Acura didn't change anything except for the fact in 1st and 2nd gear at higher rpms...they slightly retarded the timing to ensure a smoother shift. there won't be any problems that the uni-chip won't fix...

darrinb

i dunno how much r&d work they put into this but the chip dont cost em no more than 100 for sure

Ant7701

naw less than a 100 for sure...plastic or metal case, wires, connectors, solder, circuit board...maybe like $50

darrinb

well u gotta think, the r&d work, time he put in etc etc, pay is rent on his building, te thing is prolly like 75-80 dollars after he covers his overhead, so heys gonna be making over 600 per unit if he sells them to us at this price

600x30 chips=18 grand in his pocket


he has room to work with the price

scalbert

You guys obviously have zero clue about product development, manufacturing, distribution and support.

Trying to guess at the price of manufacturing is absurd and you are way off. It is not about just wires, solder, etc. There are processors and other board level components. There is also machine time for the most likely surface mount board which they probably outsource. The case also has to be machined, etc. There is also Q&A involved and packaging. They are also manufacturing in small lots which drives up their costs.

Remember, this is made overseas so is liable for import taxes and shipping charges.

R&D is two fold in this case. They first had to develop the main product going through countless versions and testing. They also had to work on our cars giving up a unit in the process which is figured into the price.

Lastly, they have to support the product. There will be questions, warranty returns, etc. which need to be guessed at and figured into the price.

It amazes me in GBs where people try to get the last nickel down. When in reality, at least in the professional world, you want your suppliers to make a decent profit. That way they are assured to be around for longer, are able to support the sale and will invest in future development. Discounting to the point of minimal profit trivializes the product or service which is a big negative in the long run.

One more thing, it is not like this is a competitive market and there are alternatives or comparative items. This is not a Mustang where there is one hundred times the potential market where the overhead cost can be spread and larger lots created. To me, this is a reasonable price for this extremely limited and fickle market.

Look at the price of the unit by its self compared to what is being offered as a PnP system. I know what the costs are for a PnP harness and they exceed $100 in this quantity. Now figure that it is pre-programmed and the actual unit is well below the single unit price.

Jonesi

Very very well stated Scalbert.. I think he may be able to shave off the $15.50 and come to $700 even for 20 people.. That's probably his room for negotiating..

Ant7701

I'm down for anything...But like eveyone else in the world i wanna save as much money as possible. I'm not saying for him to ship them out for pennies...just see if he can do a little better on the price because ALOT of members here are if'y about the price and would most likely change their minds and buy one if it was $50 cheaper. Like i said it doesn't bother me much...but the more we buy the better off we all are and the lower the price initially would mean the more be buy.

And scalbert...I never realized how much goes into development of a product. I was just stating that after they are in production...the price it costs to make one will severely drop. And if they mass produce the cases allready for other applications then they are ahead of the game. No harm meant

JaDia4

Its surprising that after well over 5000 reads" on this topic there are barely more than 20 "sure" customers for this chip.

ChinozTL

Yeah I too fell that there should be some more room for negotiating. We are tlakin 20+ units and as nashua was saying as a lump sum they are making alot so we should give them a price and try the all or nothing approach, worst case they say no and we settle for $715.

darrinb

any new news on the pnp

cdrink80

ok so im real lazy to go back and look at the gai9ns witht he UNI, any help what are the gains???

Jonesi

Look at the First page, there's a dyno and the gains and other pertinent info.. But basically it's 15-20 throughout the whole band.

Nitin

iTrader: (1)

So what's going on with the groupbuy right now? Are we just waiting until the PnP is ready to be tested out and then put into production? I really hope we don't blow this deal.

Chaptorial

Damn i didn't know it was that much.

This is with Headers and Intake though, right?

Jonesi

Sorry guys I've been overwhelmed at work..! But here's the updated list.. I think we should give some people some time to decide what they want to do.. We should set the date for March 21st..

IN
1. Jonesi
2. Typer
3. Nitin
4. power3dfx
5. mattg
6. Ant7701
7. Chaptorial
8. Mr. Hyde
9. Seattle CL-S
10. kHmER Co
11. Phipark
12. 3.2 Type-S 03
13. withoutcomp1
14. mc222
15. blader
16. ChinozTL
17. AzzKiker23
18. Flint
19. MrSteve
20. MRIGuru
21. dj5
22. Sonor Kid
23. jet-tek
24. jcheung7

MAYBE
1. Juice (Strong Maybe)
2. mykenmcnasty
3. Chopper
4. R10Apple (Strong Maybe)
5. pmptx (Strong Maybe)
6. vandy786 (Strong Maybe)
7. SatinSilverTypS (Strong Maybe)
8. Nashua_Night_Hawk
9. Ferizzo
10. EvilStorm
11. NJTypeS
12. 360

6-Speed
1. JaDia (Once 6spd version is ready)
2. Chad T (Once 6spd version is ready)
3. DHRJDMBA (Once 6spd version is ready)
4. J.T.’s 3.2TL (Once 6spd version is ready)
5. CC Type S (Once 6spd version is ready)
6. NiteQwill (Once 6spd version is ready)
7. Musclehead (Once 6spd version is ready)
8. Jimmbbo (Once 6spd version is ready)

TL-P
1. Patrick (Once TLP version is ready)
2. El pana/TL32 (Once TLP version ready)
3. ChucksTL (Once TLP version ready)
4. BlackShadow (Once TLP version ready)
5. CBS (Once TLP version ready)
6. FixedTL (Once TLP version ready)
7. NightHawkBlack (Once TLP version ready)

Jonesi

If we convert half of the maybe's we'll be at our goal...

Jonesi

Yes it is.. You will see strong gains without the headers..

Nitin

iTrader: (1)

What's it going to take to get 6 of you maybe's to convert?? Just do it!

MAYBE
1. Juice (Strong Maybe)
2. mykenmcnasty
3. Chopper
4. R10Apple (Strong Maybe)
5. pmptx (Strong Maybe)
6. vandy786 (Strong Maybe)
7. SatinSilverTypS (Strong Maybe)
8. Nashua_Night_Hawk
9. Ferizzo
10. EvilStorm
11. NJTypeS
12. 360

Chaptorial

Not me. I have headers.

power3dfx

so with 30 people we move forward? i and many others here would probably NOT want to wait another month (till march 21), but if we get 30 lets close the deal and get this going.
the earlier we get it, the longer we can enjoy it=more monies worth!

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Not to throw a wrench in the mix, who ever has the unichip should install it on another car and do before and after dyno.

It is 30 units order!

Nashua.

mattg

i think you would be more helpful by just staying out of this thread. we already have a dyno, thanks.

Ant7701

yeah man...we need more buyers...Ga2000...u were just complaining on how ur getting used to ur car and need more hp...get in here man!!!

darrinb

i'll let u guys know on wens!!

sonor kid

I'm surprised with some of you guys on the fence but I also understand where the skepitics are coming from.
I look at it this way, I don't see the S/C in my immediate future and there isn't much left for me to mod on my CL from a performance standpoint.
The original dyno showed at least a 15hp gain throughout much of the band on the test car, which is as good a gain as any mod made available for our cars to this point. It will be plug and play and something we can put in. They are giving us a guarantee with all of this as well, which they will definitely stand behind.
Even for $700.00, it is well worth it and I agree with Scalbert's comments 100% in this regard.
I think we should all be lining up for this thing, tell me I'm wrong, I don't know.
This mod will help my S/C dreams subside for a little bit at least and it's a hell of alot cheaper.

Nashua_Night_Hawk

I know the Unichip was available for years. However, there was never an appliation for the J32 Engine as the Acura ECU will counter correct the Unichip "moves" in real time.

What has changed now? is it a new chip? does really fool the ECU input (sensors) as well as the output to timming and fuel?

scalbert

That is stretching it a bit:

Unichip Dyno

I see about 8 - 12 lb/ft throughout with nothing greater than about 12 lb/ft at 5200 RPM. The maximum HP gain was about 14 HP up top.

It is better not to talk about HP gains throughout the band as they are minimized at the lower revs. A 12 lb/ft gain at 2626 RPM is only a 6 HP gain.

scalbert

No, the reason it wasn't available before was that no one even tried it or brought it to Unichip's attention. The ECU will not counter anything as signal alterations occur only during high load situations when the ECU is ignoring the O2 sensors.

It is only altering the MAP and crank position sensor signals which are inputs to the ECU. This, in turn, causes the ECU to provided more or less (Less in this case) fuel and add/subtract the base timing (adds timing int his case).

Jonesi

Jonesi

I say we setup the PO Box and whoever is in then send in the deposit.. We will set a date and anyone that doesn't have the money in by the date isn't it. I'm ready to send in my deposit.

CLS2001_97124

Wow. So much has happened over the weekend. Sorry I was not able to keep up on this thread, because I ended up having to leave town for some family thing.

Few things.

1. Thank you scalbert for your continue support on explaining the technical aspect to this produnt, including the steps in might take to produce something like this.

As I stated before, I'm not technical enough to go and BS the price with them. It's not like buying a car, where I can just read up some info on the car, and be able to out talk the sales guy down. This is a little bit tougher. When you are face to face with both their sales person and their engineer (jack and tony), they can throw so many different "technical terms" at me that I wouldn't know what to do with. So like I said in my previous thread, if someone "feels" that they are knowledge enough to be able to talk them down on price, please do so. But I guess from all the post I've read, it's all a bunch of people asking, and no one doing. (Sorry if I sound upset, I'm just trying to do my best to help this board, but I'm not going to risk blowing this deal with them, just because I don't know what I'm talking about)

Again, thank you Steve for your very well put explaination.

2. I will setup the PO box today, since I didn't get a chance to this weekend. When we have 20 deposits, I will personally deliver it to Jack, and he can then begin pre-production.

I hope I didn't come off as not trying to help out with the price of this GB. But just telling me to tell them to drop the price, that won't work. I already tried. But instead if you have any good facts or data I can use to talk to Jack with, I will be more than happy to give it another shot.

Thanks!

Jonesi

What should we set the date at? I think it should be March 21st which will give some people time to make a decision.. That way it's timely enough that we may hit 30 people. But at the same time if we send in deposits now hopefully you can give UniChip the deposits early and have them start production while some decide what they are going to do..

CLS2001_97124

I believe Jack as for March 12th to be cut off date, if we want to get this thing going as fast as possible.

Jonesi

Works for me...

Ant7701

so where do we send da money

jgscott

Sorry about this but what is the last price ? I'm with darrinb about this Price thing it would not hurt to bluff. ( TL Web not understanding yet.)
Also I think that the P&P harness is costing about $ 75-100 more. If I understood correctly its only 6 wires on the ECU to splice into. That's not that hard to do. Please don't come back with negitive comments.
Lets at least try on the price reduction, if we try is he going to not produce ?

Count me IN on the buy.

Ant7701

So now were at 25 In...sweet!!!

darrinb

according to the dyno that cl-s only put down 210ish

should a auto with i/h/p and the chip be well into the 240's at the min.