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Old 10-27-2011, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
This.

Nor did going through three iPhone 3Gs due to mystical water damage, even though they were never near water. And having to pay to replace the phone each time. Fun stuff. But its Apple. All hail Apple, for they can do no wrong.
Would you define that as "sh*tty" user experience...?









Just asking.
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Would you define that as "sh*tty" user experience...?









Just asking.
Absolutely not. I stood on line overnight for all subsequent iPhone launches because Apple said the new one is better then the last.

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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Absolutely not. I stood on line overnight for all subsequent iPhone launches because Apple said the new one is better then the last.

That snarkiness is usually coming from me.



I just want to point out that I have not taken any shots at Apple for the last few days!

civicdrivr, you're on your own on this...!
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Damn it. Dont leave me out here on my own!
Sorry, dude. You can do it though. Be strong! And when things start to get bleak, close your eyes, and go to a happy place...where Android/Apple can coexist.....

...where Steve was not really a deadbeat father, stole ideas, took credit for things he didn't do, and parked in handicapped stalls...
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Originally Posted by Yumcha



I just want to point out that I have not taken any shots at Apple for the last few days!
I'm surprised you haven't either! Don't tell me you're leaning towards getting that iphone 4S, are you?
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By the way, I currently have an iPhone 4 but is leaning towards a Galaxy S2. I despised Apple for not upgrading its screen size to something bigger!
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Originally Posted by silver3.5
I'm surprised you haven't either! Don't tell me you're leaning towards getting that iphone 4S, are you?
Well, members have asked me to behave myself. So, I'll respect that request...
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Just because devices don't receive latest Android versions doesn't mean they don't get updates. Updates are issued pretty frequently to individual devices, plugging security holes and fixing bugs. Just because they are not getting 4.0 doesn't mean they are being completely ignored.

I don't know what this shitty user experience you're taking about is. I did have an iPhone though and grids of apps didn't really do much for me.
^This.

Truth of the matter is, XDA and people in forums like these are the minority. If you talk to a random person on the street with an Android, iPhone or Windows Phone and were to ask them what version their phone was running they wouldn't be able to tell you. Heck they wouldn't even know Sense, Blur, TouchWiz and Vanilla Android are one in the same. Although iOS updates their phones via iTunes (and now OTA), not everyone likes to go through the hassle of updating their phones. Most don't even know an update exists. My parents, and girlfriend are examples of this and I'm sure there's plenty more. iOS 5 has been released but they refuse to update their phone to iOS 5. Why is that? Simply cause the phone works and they're unaware an update even exists and works on their phones.


The people that do care about the new full Android OS updates actually do something about it. They root and get the updates done themselves even before the carriers/manufacturers get them out. People can bitch and moan all they want at the carriers but if you really wanted to, create the update yourself from AOSP. Its open source for a reason. No one's going to stop you from using your phone even after the carriers/manufacturers stop updating it. Is it ideal? Depends on who you ask.


Also, no one is forcing you to purchase one phone which is the beauty of Android. If you don't like Sense, Blur, TouchWiz, or Vanilla Android, want a keyboard or small screen, you can almost be certain there's a device for you. Try doing that on another platform. Not everyone is similar which is what boggles my mind every time everyone says that one device is for every one. I certainly don't prescribe to that notion and encourage others to decide on their own. Also, carriers still push security updates to the phones even if they won't update them to the latest Android OS with small patches every now and then OTA.

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That was beautiful, CGFebTSX04...
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To be beautiful, i need to see something....i'm bad at visualizing or imagining....LOL!
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
That was beautiful, CGFebTSX04...
Lol. Thanks.

Everyone who follows tech knows that there are periods of growth spurts that eventually slow down. We've seen it with the MHz war between Intel and AMD and the same thing with the GPU war between Nvidia and ATI/AMD. We are going through the same thing with Android at the moment (fortunately, or unfortunately for some people ).

It will stabilize and I think we will begin to see it with ICS. They've unified the tablet and the phone and have everything established now. From here on, future updates will most likely be code optimizations and fewer extreme updates that we have been seeing. Gingerbread really laid out the foundation and I think ICS will carry it out further. We'll probably see less skinning from the OEMs as ICS can stand on its own in much the same way things happened with Honeycomb. Android has hit a point where 1 GHz and 512 MB of RAM seems to be enough to have a smooth experience. Anything else is just icing. This picture illustrates beautifully what is happening with Android:


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^^ Now that's beautiful!
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For the people interested in the Galaxy Note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW2Vl4CVRd4

Samsung is supposed to open source the pen kit as well since ICS supports styluses which can be seen in action here:

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The Galaxy Note is a phone? I'm all for a bigger screen since I spend a lot of time on my phone reading, whether it be various pieces on reddit, AZ, or anything else with texts/photos but I don't have any pants with pockets that big. Can't wear cargo shorts everywhere either.

The lines between a tablet and a smartphone are becoming less and less defined. I wonder if eventually they're come up with new jargon to describe new devices. Eventually the main differences will only be screen size and other features, since can't any device with a microphone and speakers/headphone jack and access to the internet make calls (Skype)?

Does Android on tablets differ much from Android on smartphones? Using an iPhone and iPad side-by-side, I couldn't tell much difference other than speed and screen size (iPhone 3GS/4 vs iPad 2)
Old 10-27-2011, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Costco
Does Android on tablets differ much from Android on smartphones? Using an iPhone and iPad side-by-side, I couldn't tell much difference other than speed and screen size (iPhone 3GS/4 vs iPad 2)
Honeycomb is quite a bit different then Gingerbread/Froyo/Eclair, same basic ideas but different layout. ICS is going to bridge the gap though, it'll be nice to see all the great things from Honeycomb on a phone OS.
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Originally Posted by Costco
The Galaxy Note is a phone? I'm all for a bigger screen since I spend a lot of time on my phone reading, whether it be various pieces on reddit, AZ, or anything else with texts/photos but I don't have any pants with pockets that big. Can't wear cargo shorts everywhere either.

The lines between a tablet and a smartphone are becoming less and less defined. I wonder if eventually they're come up with new jargon to describe new devices. Eventually the main differences will only be screen size and other features, since can't any device with a microphone and speakers/headphone jack and access to the internet make calls (Skype)?

Does Android on tablets differ much from Android on smartphones? Using an iPhone and iPad side-by-side, I couldn't tell much difference other than speed and screen size (iPhone 3GS/4 vs iPad 2)
In my opinion, yes. Although the apps you download can be the same, the widgets and interface on an Android tablet is quite different than what is on a smartphone.

Mind you, my sample includes the Sony, Acer, and Asus tablets...
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Originally Posted by zguy95135
Honeycomb is quite a bit different then Gingerbread/Froyo/Eclair, same basic ideas but different layout. ICS is going to bridge the gap though, it'll be nice to see all the great things from Honeycomb on a phone OS.
True, especially once the Tablets get updated to ICS.
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EVO getting new design...

Sprint just announced the new HTC EVO Desing 4G. This a new model after the original HTC EVO 4G. The new Design will feature WiMax 4G speeds, a 4″ qHD device with Android 2.3, HTC Sense, a 1.2GHz processor, a 5 megapixel camera, HD video, a front-facing camera. The box includes a 8GB microSD card.

The new HTC EVO Design 4G will come this October 23rd for $100.00



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Samsung to use big.LITTLE with the Exynos processor in 2012?

Curious about which processor will be used in the Samsung Galaxy S III? Rumors have suggested that Samsung was working on a quad-core 2.0 GHz processor. That sounds crazy, but there is a small chance it might actually come true.

Samsung already announced their upcoming dual-core 1.5 GHz Exynos 4212. This system-on-a-chip appears to be similar in design to the 1.2 GHz Exynos 4210 found in several Galaxy S II phones. But it is now built with Samsung’s advanced 32nm High-K Metal Gate (HKMG) low-power process, which promises “30 percent lower power-level over the previous process generation.” It looks like the smaller process technology allowed Samsung to crank up the speed of the GPU too, because they are promising “50 percent higher 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung.”

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At this week’s ARM TechCon 2001 John Kalkman, VP LSI, Samsung Electronics said, “I’m extremely excited to announce that Samsung will deliver a new Exynos processor in 2012 that leverages both the Cortex-A7 and big.Little technology to meet the crucial demands of always-on and always-connected computing.”

I don’t want to dive into all the technical details of big.Little processing again, but the basic concept is that you combine high performance cores along side low-power cores in order to achieve the best possible combination of performance and battery life.
http://androidandme.com/2011/10/news...e-by-up-to-70/

Could be a good year for smart phones and the consumer.
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Also, did anyone see that Verizon dropped the "Verizon exclusive" tag from the Nexus Prime ads?
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damn i missed a lot today...

Here's a SGII commercial, doesnt really show anything for the phone, but this guy went to my high school. Didnt really know him, just knew of him through common friends.
Its pretty cool though
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Also, did anyone see that Verizon dropped the "Verizon exclusive" tag from the Nexus Prime ads?
Yeah technically its not an exclusive because the rest of the world will be getting it. But in the US, it'll most likely be a Verizon exclusive. Will probably have to get the GSM version online or through Best Buy later on. Torn between the Galaxy Nexus and the S II at the moment. Both have their pros and cons. The Galaxy Nexus is already being sold online (GSM and Verizon) but its pretty expensive. Hopefully, when it hits retail stores, prices will drop just a little more.
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http://androidandme.com/2011/10/news...-galaxy-nexus/
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Yeah it'll be using a fortified glass of some sort. I'm not too concerned about that since I can easily put a screen protector on it if it needs it. Also, Samsung is a display company at heart so I trust them on that. We'll see when the reviews come in.
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Yeah it'll be using a fortified glass of some sort. I'm not too concerned about that since I can easily put a screen protector on it if it needs it. Also, Samsung is a display company at heart so I trust them on that. We'll see when the reviews come in.
The thing I hate most about my NS screen is the fingerprints. Its a magnet for them!!

And I dont like screen protectors, just doesn't feel the same.

And I just saw that I have a small scratch...
its fine though, its hard to tell its there
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Galaxy Note review:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/s...y-note-review/

5.3" SuperAMOLED HD
1280 x 800 resolution
Stylus included which has 126 different points of pressure


Doesn't look bad at all. If they made it a 4.3" I think I would be very interested in this device. Samsung's already promised ICS for both the Note and the S II by the way which makes sense since they did have access to ICS first. I guess this is for people who don't really use their phone to talk. You can attach a bluetooth or a headset onto it so you don't have to place it right next to your ear.
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^This.

Truth of the matter is, XDA and people in forums like these are the minority. If you talk to a random person on the street with an Android, iPhone or Windows Phone and were to ask them what version their phone was running they wouldn't be able to tell you. Heck they wouldn't even know Sense, Blur, TouchWiz and Vanilla Android are one in the same. Although iOS updates their phones via iTunes (and now OTA), not everyone likes to go through the hassle of updating their phones. Most don't even know an update exists. My parents, and girlfriend are examples of this and I'm sure there's plenty more. iOS 5 has been released but they refuse to update their phone to iOS 5. Why is that? Simply cause the phone works and they're unaware an update even exists and works on their phones.


The people that do care about the new full Android OS updates actually do something about it. They root and get the updates done themselves even before the carriers/manufacturers get them out. People can bitch and moan all they want at the carriers but if you really wanted to, create the update yourself from AOSP. Its open source for a reason. No one's going to stop you from using your phone even after the carriers/manufacturers stop updating it. Is it ideal? Depends on who you ask.


Also, no one is forcing you to purchase one phone which is the beauty of Android. If you don't like Sense, Blur, TouchWiz, or Vanilla Android, want a keyboard or small screen, you can almost be certain there's a device for you. Try doing that on another platform. Not everyone is similar which is what boggles my mind every time everyone says that one device is for every one. I certainly don't prescribe to that notion and encourage others to decide on their own. Also, carriers still push security updates to the phones even if they won't update them to the latest Android OS with small patches every now and then OTA.
You can make claims that these phones get updates but the facts state otherwise.

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Compared to iOS Android updates are a joke. And if CyanogenMod can get updates on these phone than OEMs should in most cases be able to also but they don't because they don't care about supporting their customers.

Consumers Get Screwed
Ever since the iPhone turned every smartphone into a blank slate, the value of a phone is largely derived from the software it can run and how well the phone can run it. When you’re making a 2 year commitment to a device, it’d be nice to have some way to tell if the software was going to be remotely current in a year or, heck, even a month. Turns out that’s nearly impossible - here are two examples:

The Samsung Behold II on T-Mobile was the most expensive Android phone ever and Samsung promoted that it would get a major update to Eclair at least. But at launch the phone was already two major versions behind — and then Samsung decided not to do the update after all, and it fell three major OS versions behind. Every one ever sold is still under contract today.

The Motorola Devour on Verizon launched with a Megan Fox Super Bowl ad, while reviews said it was “built to last and it delivers on features.” As it turned out, the Devour shipped with an OS that was already outdated. Before the next Super Bowl came around, it was three major versions behind. Every one ever sold is still under contract until sometime next year.
Compare that to every iPhone or Windows Phone sold in the past two years is capable of running the latest OS. Everyone else is doing it so Google has no excuse for not making it's OEMs (many are the same OEMs that have no issues releasing updates for WP) follow suit. Doesn't Google make OEMs meet certain requirements before giving them access to the Google apps? Why can't they make them promise to provide 3 years of updates to match iOS in order to get the Google apps? Problem Solved.

Why Don’t Android Phones Get Updated?
That’s a very good question. Obviously a big part of the problem is that Android has to go from Google to the phone manufacturers to the carriers to the devices, whereas iOS just goes from Apple directly to devices. The hacker community (e.g. CyanogenMod, et cetera) has frequently managed to get these phones to run the newer operating systems, so it isn’t a hardware issue.

It appears to be a widely held viewpoint3 that there’s no incentive for smartphone manufacturers to update the OS: because manufacturers don’t make any money after the hardware sale, they want you to buy another phone as soon as possible. If that’s really the case, the phone manufacturers are spectacularly dumb: ignoring the 2 year contract cycle & abandoning your users isn’t going to engender much loyalty when they do buy a new phone. Further, it’s been fairly well established that Apple also really only makes money from hardware sales, and yet their long term update support is excellent (see chart).

In other words, Apple’s way of getting you to buy a new phone is to make you really happy with your current one, whereas apparently Android phone makers think they can get you to buy a new phone by making you really unhappy with your current one. Then again, all of this may be ascribing motives and intent where none exist - it’s entirely possible that the root cause of the problem is just flat-out bad management (and/or the aforementioned spectacular dumbness).
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11...ory-of-support

Apple supports their customers with updates through the life of the contract and then some, Google and everyone else should do the same. No excuses, end of story. Take care of your customers.

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Didn't we discuss this already. Nobody claims that all the Android phones get the latest software, it's not gonna happen when all of the carriers and hardware makers wanted to put their own touches on the OS so that they get recognition. Why would Motorola put vanilla Android on a phone when they could put Motorola's Motoblur. It's the nature of the beast.

That said, from what I've heard, the Nexus One isn't being skipped because of bad customer service or because it can't handle the OS on a processor level. It's not getting it because there are issues with the screen that won't let ICS run very well due to how gesture based the OS is.
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I knew you were going to use that graph. Only that graph pretty much graphs all the lower tier phones. Where's the Galaxy S line? How about the Droid X2 line? Where are the top selling phones on that graph? Also I never said the other phones don't get updated. I said no one cares outside of a minor group. There's a big difference in that statement.

No one really cares about the "fragmentation" except a few minority. If it really did affect users then why is Android gaining so much market share. Most people care about a phone that works. Get over it. Read this article from Android Central to better understand this so called "fragmentation":

http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-m...-fragmentation

There are three kinds of smartphone owners in this world: nerds, would-be nerds, and what I lovingly call "civilians."

Let's start with the first group: The nerds (and that's probably a good 40 percent of the people who read this site, at least) want to hack their phones. They need to hack their phones. Can't help it, even. That's awesome. We love that. (Especially in the forums.) But there's also a certain amount of responsibility that comes along with hacking your phone so that you can have the latest and greatest ROM, whether it's the pinnacle of the Android Open Source Project -- CyanogenMod -- or a derivative, or something else altogether. If you're not willing to accept that responsibility, move on.

The second group -- would-be nerds -- like to tinker a little. Maybe root their phones to use certain apps, but not apply custom ROMs. That's a slippery slope. And you know what? Not everybody should root their phone. Again. Don't want to step up? No worries. Next paragraph.

And the last group. "Civilians." That's most everybody out there, who just want to rock Android because it's the hot OS and has a crapload of apps. And they're right for doing so. Android has a crapload of apps, and freedom that the iPhone doesn't. Now that the iPhone's on three of the four major U.S. carriers, it's certainly a more attractive offer, no doubt. I've chatted in airports with Sprint loyalists who refused to switch carriers. Sprint's likely just saved itself some serious churn for Q4.

There's actually a fourth group here. And it doesn't apply to many people. There are those of us who have to straddle these lines. Journalists. Techies, if you will. Maybe we want to use Android because it's the hot OS. Or maybe because we love the openy ecosystem. Or maybe we have to try different operating systems so we can speak intelligently about them. We need to know about rooting and ROMs, but we need to keep up with official updates, too. It's a real pain, unless you own two of everything.

But here's something that's no great secret -- even yours truly doesn't need root access in his personal life. I'm more in the "civilian" group in actual use than not. One reason is because most of our readers just want to make the most of their phones without the hassle. Rooting is awesome. Custom ROMs are awesome. But if you don't have the time to keep up with it all for the sake of being on the bleeding edge, we'd suggest sticking to the latter group. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Now that we've go that established ...

Funny thing is, you don't hear the devs crying about it and they should be the most vocal. Instead, you have the media who know jack squat about how Android works. Most of the updates that get released are few API updates. Most of the stuff already works up to Froyo. If you're on Froyo right now, you can do 90% of the stuff in Gingerbread.

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Of course I was going to use that graph, why wouldn't I use facts to back up my claims? And I knew you were going to say that...

Why stop at June 2010?
I’m not going to. I do think that having 15 months or so of history gives a good perspective on how a phone has been treated, but it’s also just a labor issue - it takes a while to dredge through the various sites to determine the history of each device. I plan to continue on and might also try to publish the underlying table with references. I also acknowledge that it’s possible I’ve missed something along the way.
Judging by these OEMs treatment of their past device what makes you think they'll do anything different for the current gen devices?

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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
and I knew you were going to say that...



Judging by these OEMs treatment of their past device what makes you think they'll do anything different for the current gen devices?
And I don't expect them to which is why I avoid them. Talk with your money. No one is forcing you to keep supporting those OEMs. They'll figure it out like Sony Ericsson did. Whenever I pick a phone I do keep in mind which ones support their phones best.
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Agreed. IF I got an android it'd be one with vanilla android on it, I'm a stock guy and don't like having an non stock UI on my devices and if I can't remove it without rooting than I wouldn't get it. That's why I talked my brother into getting an N1, no need to worry about long delays between updates caused by unnecessary UI addons and I thought at the time that updates would be provided just as long as an iPhone but I guess not. Granted the N1 fared much better than the rest of the android devices but not good enough IMO.
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Agreed. IF I got an android it'd be one with vanilla android on it, I'm a stock guy and don't like having an non stock UI on my devices and if I can't remove it without rooting than I wouldn't get it. That's why I talked my brother into getting an N1, no need to worry about long delays between updates caused by unnecessary UI addons and I thought at the time would be that updates would be provided just as long as an iPhone but I guess not. Granted the N1 fared much better than the rest of the android devices but not good enough IMO.
And I agree with this. Google should've looked ahead when they first built the phone with HTC. But I guess they didn't imagine how much of a leap they were going to make between Eclair and Ice Cream Sandwich. If you look at the two they're two totally different beasts. I do think they have compensated for that mistake with the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus though so those should be supported even longer than the N1.


I think the real problem is that the journalists and the media are blaming Google for the update mess when in fact Google has been doing its part to prevent all of this. They've been keeping AOSP up to date and updating their Nexus phones on a timely basis. The media needs to point its fingers at the manufacturers. Blame them for making all these low tier phones that they know they're not going to support. For pushing out the skins that they think "enhance" Android and then have a hard time keeping up to date. If they'd actually listen to their customers, in much the same way HTC, Samsung and Sony Ericsson has, they'll reap the benefits.


This is what the ultimate goal of Android is, I believe. Hopefully, the other manufacturers get it. Have a phone created by the community in much the same way the Nexus came about. Cyanogenmod team constantly pushes updates to AOSP which you see in future releases all the time which I think is great. You'll see companies that don't listen to their consumers and just keep pushing out phones fail in this market and start blaming Android (*cough* Dell). They think they can just ride the wave (like they did in Window Mobile 6) when its a two way commitment for Android.
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Android question....

I am a default user, non-rooted and have the gmail app on the phone (DroidX) and love it.

What if I had a second gmail account I wanted the phone or app to check?

Could I do it without having to log out of one and into the other?

Can you have the phone or gmail app check more than one gmail account?

Will they both appear in the same interface and I can pick or will they require me to open different interfaces (apps?) to see each one?

Finally, if you know, if I get a Google email where I pay to have a domain and have google host my mail at that domain (this is a business service to avoid needing Outlook/Hosted-Exchange), will the above answers still be relevant/correct?
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
Android question....

I am a default user, non-rooted and have the gmail app on the phone (DroidX) and love it.

What if I had a second gmail account I wanted the phone or app to check?

Could I do it without having to log out of one and into the other?

Can you have the phone or gmail app check more than one gmail account?

Will they both appear in the same interface and I can pick or will they require me to open different interfaces (apps?) to see each one?

Finally, if you know, if I get a Google email where I pay to have a domain and have google host my mail at that domain (this is a business service to avoid needing Outlook/Hosted-Exchange), will the above answers still be relevant/correct?
Yes you can sync more than one account. I believe it happened with Froyo but I know for sure with Gingerbread's GMail you can switch accounts on the fly by clicking on your email address on the top right inside the GMail app. You can even label and color code your accounts I think.
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So I bought a 93 Civic the other day. Its a good car, but its got this old D16 single cam in it. I see the new Si has the 2.4l engine in it. Why won't Honda give that to me for free? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The hardware cant support it. Move on. The phone is 2 years old. Get a new one. Phones these days are disposable devices. Buy one, use it for 2 years, repeat.

Or in Apples case - buy one, release an updated phone with 2 extra features and call it an industry first a year later, repeat every year as long as the sheep line up for it.
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
Android question....

I am a default user, non-rooted and have the gmail app on the phone (DroidX) and love it.

What if I had a second gmail account I wanted the phone or app to check?

Could I do it without having to log out of one and into the other?

Can you have the phone or gmail app check more than one gmail account?

Will they both appear in the same interface and I can pick or will they require me to open different interfaces (apps?) to see each one?

Finally, if you know, if I get a Google email where I pay to have a domain and have google host my mail at that domain (this is a business service to avoid needing Outlook/Hosted-Exchange), will the above answers still be relevant/correct?
Settings -> Accounts and Sync -> Add account

Once the account is added, you can click it and select what you want it to sync. The rest CG covered.
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
Android question....

I am a default user, non-rooted and have the gmail app on the phone (DroidX) and love it.

What if I had a second gmail account I wanted the phone or app to check?

Could I do it without having to log out of one and into the other?

Can you have the phone or gmail app check more than one gmail account?

Will they both appear in the same interface and I can pick or will they require me to open different interfaces (apps?) to see each one?

Finally, if you know, if I get a Google email where I pay to have a domain and have google host my mail at that domain (this is a business service to avoid needing Outlook/Hosted-Exchange), will the above answers still be relevant/correct?
what civicdrvr said, and I'll add that when in the gmail app to switch between accounts you click on the email address on the top right of the screen and all your gmail accounts will be present (for those you have synced with the phone by going into account settings)

If google is hosting your mail for your business it should still work.

For me I have a UCR email address which is hosted by google called rmail. My address is xxxx@ucr.edu, but I'm still able to create a google password and it allows me to sync with my phone under my gmail.


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