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Old 05-16-2012, 07:01 AM
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Our offense doesn't function well without him. I think we shoot 48 vs 41 FG% in the regular season without him. He has a huge impact especially since our #4-#7 scoring options didn't really pan out in Miller, Battier, Chalmers, and UD (still hurt). Nobody else other than Wade and James scored more than 5 points. I think I read that no team has ever won a playoff game where the 3rd scoring option had 5. Obviously the blown free throws didn't help. Time to adjust.
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^^kinda wish Lebron had those post-up skills now.
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^^kinda wish Lebron had those post-up skills now.
According to espn, they say that his best position is the 4 spot.
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According to espn, they say that his best position is the 4 spot.
All spot, you mean. He's great everywhere.
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Is Miami in trouble??

I am definitely loving M. Miller's performance... lol. He has done shit since he came to Miami.

So, was that broken play where LeBron didn't wanted to take the shot, or was it designed for D. Wade? hmmm..
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Originally Posted by S14 n Tsx
Is Miami in trouble??

I am definitely love M. Miller's performance... lol. He has done shit since he came to Miami.

So, was that broken play where LeBron didn't wanted to take the shot, or was it designed for D. Wade? hmmm..
Snarking aside, I'm very puzzled by the LeHeat bench's ineptitude. I mean, some of these guys CAN make their points.

So, dunno what's the deal when they shot 9 for a bazillion last night. Still, the LeHeat had a chance to win. LeJames missing those free throws was killer and LeWade going 1 for 5 down the stretch was bad too.



If this continues? Well...yeah.
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Just shows how much we need Chris bosh. I think we need a bench overhaul next season. I almost would rather kept Eddie house than mike miller
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Snarking aside, I'm very puzzled by the LeHeat bench's ineptitude. I mean, some of these guys CAN make their points.

So, dunno what's the deal when they shot 9 for a bazillion last night. Still, the LeHeat had a chance to win. LeJames missing those free throws was killer and LeWade going 1 for 5 down the stretch was bad too.



If this continues? Well...yeah.
I doubt that Miami would shoot 33% for next 3 games or so... even with poor shooting & FT, they only lost by 3.


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Just shows how much we need Chris bosh. I think we need a bench overhaul next season. I almost would rather kept Eddie house than mike miller
No doubt. Eddie didn't even play and had better stats than fucking Miller.

Miller with zero point with 3 TO. Good one.
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Watching Clippers vs. Spurs game last night, Clipps has ZERO chance of winning against Spurs.
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
^^kinda wish Lebron had those post-up skills now.
He has been working on post-up.

I am thinking either dump Bosh next year for a better center, and have LeBron work on his post-up game even more.

Chris Bosh already havae no room for him to put up his own shot up other than 17 footer shot.. If LeBron takes away his post-up game, then Bosh really can't do much.

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Originally Posted by S14 n Tsx
Watching Clippers vs. Spurs game last night, Clipps has ZERO chance of winning against Spurs.
Really? Cause I thought they kept it pretty close until the 3rd quarter when the spurs went up by 15, but even then they kept coming back within 10-8 points in the 4th. CP3 going 3 for 13 on 5 turnovers didn't exactly help either.

I thought the Clips were very formiddable given that the Spurs have been resting for more than a week. To put it into perspective:

Over the past 20 years, when teams playing with six or more days off play a team with one day of rest, they are 8-0 in the postseason with an average winning margin of 21.6 points. The Spurs, coming off an eight-day layoff, also had won their previous 14 games, winning by an average margin of more than 17 points.
I think the Clips have a punchers chance of stealing a couple games. Winning the series, is still very unlikely.

I seriously hope the Lakers show up to play tonight.. if they get blown out by 30 again, I'm going to rage.
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Originally Posted by S14 n Tsx
He has been working on post-up.

I am thinking either dump Bosh next year for a better center, and have LeBron work on his post-up game even more.

Chris Bosh already havae no room for him to put up his own shot up other than 17 footer shot.. If LeBron takes away his post-up game, then Bosh really can't do much.
To be quite honest I don't think they need to break up the big 3. All we need is a center that can take up space in the paint and rebound. I like Joel Anthony but he is not the answer though. UD is too small to play center even though he does. Eddy curry was supposed to be that person but obviously he was a bust. I don't like dexter Pittman for some reason.
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Miami definitely lack on true "center"... D Haward is the answer.

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Really? Cause I thought they kept it pretty close until the 3rd quarter when the spurs went up by 15, but even then they kept coming back within 10-8 points in the 4th. CP3 going 3 for 13 on 5 turnovers didn't exactly help either.

I thought the Clips were very formiddable given that the Spurs have been resting for more than a week. To put it into perspective:



I think the Clips have a punchers chance of stealing a couple games. Winning the series, is still very unlikely.

I seriously hope the Lakers show up to play tonight.. if they get blown out by 30 again, I'm going to rage.
Nope. You think CP3 wasn't just knocking down shots last night? I am giving credit to Spurs for not allowing him to dance around.

Spurs are taking away pick-and-roll, ally-hoops, and CP3. No chance.
Name a player that can scores his own, other than CP3 & Bledsoe.

Spurs, pretty much anyone can create their own shot.

Like I said, they have ZERO chance of winning against Spurs... maybe a game or two. I highly even doubt that Clips can steal two games off Spurs.

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Originally Posted by S14 n Tsx
Is Miami in trouble??

I am definitely loving M. Miller's performance... lol. He has done shit since he came to Miami.

So, was that broken play where LeBron didn't wanted to take the shot, or was it designed for D. Wade? hmmm..
Wade blew that easy lay-up. Not LBJs fault. Chalmers is a better 3 pt shooter than LBJ also so I can't hate on that play.

Originally Posted by S14 n Tsx
Watching Clippers vs. Spurs game last night, Clipps has ZERO chance of winning against Spurs.
When the Clips closed to within 8 in the 3rd quarter I thought they had a small chance but they just went cold and Spurs took over. I see series going 5 games, I would be somewhat surprised if Clips can take 2 off Spurs.
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i give the clips a 4% chance of beating the spurs. And I'm a clips fan, haha.

Definitely some good things to take way from this game from the Clips perspective. CP had some open shots, it wasn't all great D. They did take away a lot of things he likes to do, but he still doesn't look right. A few of those shots he took go down, it's a different game though. As the series moves on, especially in the back to back in LA, you have to think it would favor younger legs, even though the Clips haven't gotten a decent rest since December. Timmy had an amazing game, I don't think you can expect to get that from him on a consistent basis. The negatives for the clips is it literally took a career night from Bled to even have this game within 8 in the 4th. He's not going to give that kind of offensive contribution every game. He does play great D against Tony, but Clips can't hold Tony to that limited production every game either. I have to say though, Clips played a pretty solid overall game by their standards (other than CP) and never really got that close, so if they're not playing some of their best ball, I could see them getting swept as well.
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Spurs make professional basketball look so fucking easy. Everything from their plays down to how they shoot is smooth, calm and calculated. Scary shit, and fun to watch too. I think their "boring" mantra should have been tossed out of the window a while ago.
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
Wade blew that easy lay-up. Not LBJs fault. Chalmers is a better 3 pt shooter than LBJ also so I can't hate on that play.
I don't blame wade,Lebron, or even chalmers there. Chalmers has been known to be clutch in given points . I do blame some coaching since I dunno what's up with not using James jones more. This is what I hate about coach spo. But the bench has to step up. It's the freakin playoffs where else go all out at. Seriously if we don't win, get rid of mike miller, eddy curry, pretty much the whole bench.
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Originally Posted by Osamu
Timmy had an amazing game, I don't think you can expect to get that from him on a consistent basis.
Timmay looked like the Duncan of the early 2000's. Guess thats what 8 days of rest will do?

Which again reaffirms my belief the Lakers (or more like everyone except Kobe) should've stopped dicking around with the Nuggets and finished it quick
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I don't blame wade,Lebron, or even chalmers there. Chalmers has been known to be clutch in given points . I do blame some coaching since I dunno what's up with not using James jones more. This is what I hate about coach spo. But the bench has to step up. It's the freakin playoffs where else go all out at. Seriously if we don't win, get rid of mike miller, eddy curry, pretty much the whole bench.
Spro and Vinny are not as competent making judicious coaching changes on the fly compared to Pops or Rivers.
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Originally Posted by mystikk
Spurs make professional basketball look so fucking easy. Everything from their plays down to how they shoot is smooth, calm and calculated. Scary shit, and fun to watch too. I think their "boring" mantra should have been tossed out of the window a while ago.


Even in the years where maybe they lacked the talent to win it all, they played very disciplined ball.

To people who really love basketball, play it, love the team aspect of it, the Spurs are hardly boring. I enjoyed this much more than the old and-1 mixtape stuff.

Of course, it also helps that they haven't changed coaches or their big 3 in ages....
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
Wade blew that easy lay-up. Not LBJs fault. Chalmers is a better 3 pt shooter than LBJ also so I can't hate on that play.



When the Clips closed to within 8 in the 3rd quarter I thought they had a small chance but they just went cold and Spurs took over. I see series going 5 games, I would be somewhat surprised if Clips can take 2 off Spurs.
That wasn't an easy lay up, to me, at least.
Maybe because we expect lot of things from Wade and LeBron, sometimes.
Hard spin move to lay up isn't easy... and if you watch the clip again, you can see that he had no body control to finish that lay up.

I don't blame the last play. I am more pissed that LeBron fucking missed two MAJOR FT. WTF!!!

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i give the clips a 4% chance of beating the spurs. And I'm a clips fan, haha.

Definitely some good things to take way from this game from the Clips perspective. CP had some open shots, it wasn't all great D. They did take away a lot of things he likes to do, but he still doesn't look right. A few of those shots he took go down, it's a different game though. As the series moves on, especially in the back to back in LA, you have to think it would favor younger legs, even though the Clips haven't gotten a decent rest since December. Timmy had an amazing game, I don't think you can expect to get that from him on a consistent basis. The negatives for the clips is it literally took a career night from Bled to even have this game within 8 in the 4th. He's not going to give that kind of offensive contribution every game. He does play great D against Tony, but Clips can't hold Tony to that limited production every game either. I have to say though, Clips played a pretty solid overall game by their standards (other than CP) and never really got that close, so if they're not playing some of their best ball, I could see them getting swept as well.
I am giving Clips 3%.... j/p.
Tim definitely did played well. Are we going to see that same performance on game 2? Probably not.
I totally agree with you on T. Park. He only scored 8(?) pt? I highly doubt that this is going to happen on game 2, 3... so on.

I am not saying that Clips played bad or anything. They played extremely well, but not enough individual/team talent to beat Spurs.


Originally Posted by BraveDemon
Timmay looked like the Duncan of the early 2000's. Guess thats what 8 days of rest will do?

Which again reaffirms my belief the Lakers (or more like everyone except Kobe) should've stopped dicking around with the Nuggets and finished it quick
When I was watching the game, my mom goes, "he's still playing?". lol.
I told her, "yes, he is still around."... She also mentioned that he must be really old.

I fucking love Tim Duncan. Best PF EVER!
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Spo, Brooks, Brown, Vinny, et al, all are going to look second rate to any team that features cores that are savvy and are salty old veteran champs.

I think George Karl did some work in that first series though....
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Originally Posted by surfer rick
Spo, Vinny or Mike Brown are not as competent making judicious coaching changes on the fly compared to Pops or Rivers.
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To me the Spurs are toying with the Clippers they looked like they could do anything they wanted at anytime and they could just blowout the Clippers at any given moment. I'll give it to the Clippers they never gave up (like the past) but you just get the feeling that no matter how close they got it really didn't matter because the Spurs knew they could just pull away again.

The Spurs are well coached, fundamental and they have infused some pretty good young players into their lineup so their not as old as years past and barring major injuries unfortunately I have to pencil them into the NBA Finals. They are the most complete team in the Playoffs right now.
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LETS GOOOOOO

I am on the edge of my damn seat right now lol
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They had that towards the end & threw it away.
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Unbelievable, freakin Lakers throw away the lead...again
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just like that... 2 minutes out, the game was theirs... they were going to steal that home court advantage
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Choke....but there's PLENTY to build off of for games 3 and 4.

But ya, that one stings a tiny bit.
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just like that... 2 minutes out, the game was theirs... they were going to steal that home court advantage
Stupid passes at the end...Kobe, Blake, and that stupid Artest pass to Blake.
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We needed that game especially since we have back to back games on friday & saturday against a younger more rested team. Brown should have called a timeout right after Kobe threw the ball away on the inbounds to calm them down and give direction on how to finish instead of letting them play especially since they playing away.
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Stupid passes at the end...Kobe, Blake, and that stupid Artest pass to Blake.
In theory Peace's pass was the right basketball play but Blake is so inconsistent and weak yeah it was stupid.
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the next okc and la games are back to back. that sucks
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
^^kinda wish Lebron had those post-up skills now.
Some interesting stats regarding his post-up skills

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/mia...riving-in-post

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To be quite honest I don't think they need to break up the big 3. All we need is a center that can take up space in the paint and rebound. I like Joel Anthony but he is not the answer though. UD is too small to play center even though he does. Eddy curry was supposed to be that person but obviously he was a bust. I don't like dexter Pittman for some reason.
I'm not ready to break up the Big 3 either. With Bosh we win that game, just like Chicago is in the 2nd round if they have Rose. I don't think they had too much faith in Eddy Curry but I do think they thought UD and Miller would be healthy and hitting more shots. I can see why they kept Miller even though he was the logical amnesty choice because he has skills but the guy's been a bust. Battier hasn't panned out as they wanted. And Chalmers is still schizophrenic and having boneheaded games even though they re-signed him. I understand Riley's moves but these guys aren't bringing to the table what we thought they'd be.
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Originally Posted by Doom878
Some interesting stats regarding his post-up skills

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/mia...riving-in-post
Good stuff but that's from February. I haven't been watching enough lately though to be honest. Has he been doing this in this and the past series?

What I hoping to get across was that I hope Lebron helps Wade balance the floor by taking his player into the post.

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So, I hear Oden is interested in signing with the LeHeat.



LePermanentIR? Sounds like a good name if he joins. I hope so.


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