NBA: 2010 Season News and Discussion Thread **Dallas Wins Title 4-2 (page 84)**
04-01-2011, 01:12 PM
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04-01-2011, 03:57 PM
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For the record and it has been documented many times but of course the bias national media continues to fail to mention that the players didn't even know what the celebration would be and that it was going to be that big of a deal. It's a freaking pep rally and yet we're showing up the league? 
The only one guilty is LeBron for The Decision thing which he did raise a few million bucks for kids. Sure I'm not a fan of The Decision but of course that huge reward fact is swept under the rug. As a parent, I love the fact that children can get that kind of help. No need to lump in Wade and Bosh into that mix. It's really haterade when people do that. If anything, they took LESS money to make a team. Meanwhile max players like Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire carry mediocre squads. But they're more honorable because they crippled their franchise. Ok 
And the Heat have as many championships as the Celtics in the last 25 years so I don't know where the proven quantity is. I mention the Lakers because you got guys on that team like Kobe and Ron A that have done more on and off the court to deserve criticism (rape trial accusation, brawl with fans, poor choice in comments) in their careers than our Big 3 put together. I guess winning makes people forget so no need to hate on them. Winning means everything. Besides if the Heat win multiple championships, more people will hate them and want them knocked off.
It's not about thick skin. I'd rather my team be in the mix than loved and crappy. The media attention is warranted due to the star power. The criticism though is pretty ridiculous you all have to admit.
The only one guilty is LeBron for The Decision thing which he did raise a few million bucks for kids. Sure I'm not a fan of The Decision but of course that huge reward fact is swept under the rug. As a parent, I love the fact that children can get that kind of help. No need to lump in Wade and Bosh into that mix. It's really haterade when people do that. If anything, they took LESS money to make a team. Meanwhile max players like Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire carry mediocre squads. But they're more honorable because they crippled their franchise. Ok And the Heat have as many championships as the Celtics in the last 25 years so I don't know where the proven quantity is. I mention the Lakers because you got guys on that team like Kobe and Ron A that have done more on and off the court to deserve criticism (rape trial accusation, brawl with fans, poor choice in comments) in their careers than our Big 3 put together. I guess winning makes people forget so no need to hate on them. Winning means everything.
Besides if the Heat win multiple championships, more people will hate them and want them knocked off. It's not about thick skin. I'd rather my team be in the mix than loved and crappy. The media attention is warranted due to the star power. The criticism though is pretty ridiculous you all have to admit.
I understand why you don't have thick skin because your not used to having a basketball team that is expected to have a chance to win the championship every year so the scrutiny gets to you but if they turn out to be all they say they will then you will get used to it.
04-01-2011, 05:52 PM
#2045
^^definitely think that is interesting. IMO, that seems more like a typical George Karl team than the Melo lead one. They are pretty dangerous, depending on who they play.
04-01-2011, 08:12 PM
#2047
^^ Honestly I think this years Bulls are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NBA they get "no respect" but from everything I've read that's the way they want it. They everyone to think that including there opponent so they can get more satisfaction when they beat you. I don't think they'll win the title either but I wouldn't be surprised if they win the Eastern Conference.
04-02-2011, 02:21 PM
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Spurs on a 6 game losing streak and their lead cut to 1.5 over the Lakers. Can you say collapse? I knew they would falter towards the end of the season but I had no idea that it would be this much. Their momentum is headed in the wrong direction and if they can't get it turned around in their last 6 games I wouldn't at all be surprised if they lose in the first round of the playoffs.
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04-02-2011, 03:11 PM
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Can't believe Chicago can gun for the best record... 
04-02-2011, 11:12 PM
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I wasn't talking about the rally I was referring to their initial talk of world domination and a lot of that came from D Wade. If you look at my statement I said championships with their current squad and the Heat don't fall into that conversation yet so no they are not proven. Everyone who knows basketball knows that when the Playoffs come the Lakers are ready and the Celtics are ready and these teams don't fold under adversity. This current Heat quad haven't been in that situation yet so they are unproven so we will have to see how they handle the pressure together as a team.
I understand why you don't have thick skin because your not used to having a basketball team that is expected to have a chance to win the championship every year so the scrutiny gets to you but if they turn out to be all they say they will then you will get used to it.
I understand why you don't have thick skin because your not used to having a basketball team that is expected to have a chance to win the championship every year so the scrutiny gets to you but if they turn out to be all they say they will then you will get used to it.
I don't know what your definition of thick skin is though. I joke along with Yum and the others. I chime in once in a while because of some stuff said here is either factually incorrect or just plain ridiculous. If you don't think I'm thick skinned then go back and read my posts. Chicago straight owns us and it's not like I call Yum a fag or dis Rose. Nor did I claim that the Lakers suck the biggest ass because we swept them and it makes you mad so you hate Miami more thus your BS posts.
Just kidding.FYI Celtics folded under adversity last year when they lost their 5th best player. Don't make excuses for their lack of titles as I pointed out earlier. :wink:
04-02-2011, 11:17 PM
#2051
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^^Sorry to hear that, but it kinda is about thick skin...your post proves it. The Lakers have had a much worse history than the Heat have endured in this one year. Its really fun when Celtics fans remind you that they are 9-2 (now 9-3 lol) overall in finals against them, or that all other fans say Kobe is a rapist. I'll tell you that it was not fun getting piled on during the 2008-2009 season after the game 6 131-92 pasting of the Lakers on the Celtics home court. If you count having to wait for the Celtics to finally show up for a finals rematch, that was 2 years of bullshit.
I mean, this whole big 3 not working thing, actually started in the 70s, with Elgin, West, and Chamberlin....who are all are HOF legends who really only able to get it done once. Jerry West himself had to live with an 1 championship, after getting there 8 or 9 times.
So ya, the Lakers have far greater problems in the past. But the key? Its the past. The Heat's troubles are present topic of conversation. The Heat are the team of note this year, whether you like the extra scrutiny or not. The Lakers seem to be the the team to follow every year, so this one year by the Heat, its really not that bad. I don't mean to trivialize, but its true. Its just gonna be there.
So I'm saying, ignore the hate. Its just not fun to answer every criticism, or to believe that everyone in here is about the same things (Heat hate). I know there are a lot of Laker Haters here or elsewhere, but who cares? There isn't anything you or I can do about it.
I mean, this whole big 3 not working thing, actually started in the 70s, with Elgin, West, and Chamberlin....who are all are HOF legends who really only able to get it done once. Jerry West himself had to live with an 1 championship, after getting there 8 or 9 times.
So ya, the Lakers have far greater problems in the past. But the key? Its the past. The Heat's troubles are present topic of conversation. The Heat are the team of note this year, whether you like the extra scrutiny or not. The Lakers seem to be the the team to follow every year, so this one year by the Heat, its really not that bad. I don't mean to trivialize, but its true. Its just gonna be there.
So I'm saying, ignore the hate. Its just not fun to answer every criticism, or to believe that everyone in here is about the same things (Heat hate). I know there are a lot of Laker Haters here or elsewhere, but who cares? There isn't anything you or I can do about it.
04-03-2011, 02:05 PM
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Yeah we were expected to win it with Shaq as well for 3 years, which we did once. First year lost to Detroit and 3rd year the Bulls in the 1st round as defending champions.
I don't know what your definition of thick skin is though. I joke along with Yum and the others. I chime in once in a while because of some stuff said here is either factually incorrect or just plain ridiculous. If you don't think I'm thick skinned then go back and read my posts. Chicago straight owns us and it's not like I call Yum a fag or dis Rose. Nor did I claim that the Lakers suck the biggest ass because we swept them and it makes you mad so you hate Miami more thus your BS posts. Just kidding.
FYI Celtics folded under adversity last year when they lost their 5th best player. Don't make excuses for their lack of titles as I pointed out earlier. :wink:
I don't know what your definition of thick skin is though. I joke along with Yum and the others. I chime in once in a while because of some stuff said here is either factually incorrect or just plain ridiculous. If you don't think I'm thick skinned then go back and read my posts. Chicago straight owns us and it's not like I call Yum a fag or dis Rose. Nor did I claim that the Lakers suck the biggest ass because we swept them and it makes you mad so you hate Miami more thus your BS posts.
Just kidding.FYI Celtics folded under adversity last year when they lost their 5th best player. Don't make excuses for their lack of titles as I pointed out earlier. :wink:
It's going to be interesting in the playoffs this year, I think. Chicago's regular season and Rose's development notwithstanding, it's a whole new ballgame in the post-season...I don't know how far the Bulls will go and what will happen when they go up against the other 2 elite teams in the conference (i.e. Heat and Celtics)...
04-03-2011, 06:10 PM
#2053
As I said a little earlier Don't sleep on the Nuggets, ever since their trade they are 15-4 and are a different team post Carmelo. Their probable first round opponent is the OKC Thunder and I don't think OKC will make it past Denver. I going on record right now saying OKC loses to Denver in the first round. Denver has more weapons on offense than the Thunder and are a much deeper team all around now plus they have more experience as well as a better coach.
04-03-2011, 07:20 PM
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04-03-2011, 09:53 PM
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As I said a little earlier Don't sleep on the Nuggets, ever since their trade they are 15-4 and are a different team post Carmelo. Their probable first round opponent is the OKC Thunder and I don't think OKC will make it past Denver. I going on record right now saying OKC loses to Denver in the first round. Denver has more weapons on offense than the Thunder and are a much deeper team all around now plus they have more experience as well as a better coach.
04-03-2011, 09:56 PM
#2057
As I said a little earlier Don't sleep on the Nuggets, ever since their trade they are 15-4 and are a different team post Carmelo. Their probable first round opponent is the OKC Thunder and I don't think OKC will make it past Denver. I going on record right now saying OKC loses to Denver in the first round. Denver has more weapons on offense than the Thunder and are a much deeper team all around now plus they have more experience as well as a better coach.
They have really quick guards, and mobile bigs. They ran better than I expected today, and played D better than I thought as well.
04-03-2011, 09:57 PM
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04-05-2011, 04:36 PM
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Derrick Rose’s highlight block from the Raptors game generated some interesting discussion. By The Horns reader Antz noticed that Rose has more blocked shots on the season (48) than LeBron James (46). While I was double-checking that stat, I also noted that Rose has more offensive rebounds (78) than LeBron (77).
I found these numbers kind of fascinating considering that LeBron is well-known for his chase-down blocks and overall rebounding ability. Rose obviously isn’t in position to snare as many defensive boards as LeBron, but the fact that he’s grabbed more offensive boards says something about the effort he’s been giving this season.
In fact, get this, Rose has has 30 more offensive rebounds than Dirk Nowitzki (47). Dirk’s a seven-footer, by the way. Rose also has more offensive boards than the 6′9″ Kevin Durant (54) and almost as many as the 6′11″ Kevin Garnett (80). And Rose is a better offensive rebounder than a whole bunch of small forwards.
Getting back to the blocked shot thing, Rose is the leader in blocked shots among point guards by a country mile. Shaun Livingston is in second place with 29. Rose has more blocked shots than several power forwards and centers, too.
Source: http://bullsbythehorns.com/
I found these numbers kind of fascinating considering that LeBron is well-known for his chase-down blocks and overall rebounding ability. Rose obviously isn’t in position to snare as many defensive boards as LeBron, but the fact that he’s grabbed more offensive boards says something about the effort he’s been giving this season.
In fact, get this, Rose has has 30 more offensive rebounds than Dirk Nowitzki (47). Dirk’s a seven-footer, by the way. Rose also has more offensive boards than the 6′9″ Kevin Durant (54) and almost as many as the 6′11″ Kevin Garnett (80). And Rose is a better offensive rebounder than a whole bunch of small forwards.
Getting back to the blocked shot thing, Rose is the leader in blocked shots among point guards by a country mile. Shaun Livingston is in second place with 29. Rose has more blocked shots than several power forwards and centers, too.
Source: http://bullsbythehorns.com/
04-05-2011, 10:57 PM
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04-05-2011, 10:57 PM
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A bit of a nail biter against the Suns...but, Bulls prevailed and Rose came through again. 
04-06-2011, 07:47 PM
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Great Rose article about him growing up, so many sick dunks while at Simeon. Check out the embedded vids:
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...s=iref:nbahpt1
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...s=iref:nbahpt1
04-06-2011, 09:53 PM
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Did the LeHeat just...lose...to the LOWEST scoring team in the NBA...?
The Bucks? Really? REALLY?
The Bucks? Really? REALLY?
04-07-2011, 10:18 AM
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04-07-2011, 12:06 PM
#2073
I know, it seems like I'm arguing for chicago, but in reality, this is the argument that most are making against Rose getting the MVP. If a team can be just as good without him than with him, what the point of having this player?
Not me saying that, its me regurgitating it to you guys. The talking heads that are making that argument are typically saying that LeBron or Dwight should be the MVP, because the net effect of the presence is positive, not neutral as in Rose's case.
What do I know....
04-07-2011, 03:32 PM
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You could argue Dwight the same as Rose regarding if they were to go down and all that. You could argue Lebron since he nearly swept the player of the month awards. Not to mention he had better stats than Rose in March but Rose somehow won player of the month (sure Chicago probably had a slightly better record but the stats are pretty far and it is not a team award). 28.0 to 25.6 PPG, 58% to 42% FG%, Efficiency rating 31 to 22 (1st vs 19th rankings ). I didn't throw in rebounds and assists since they're different positions.
). I didn't throw in rebounds and assists since they're different positions.
04-07-2011, 03:57 PM
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Rose somehow won the award because they felt sorry for such a sucky player. LeBron is so superior, he should know that Rose winning was really just a sorry-win. That's all. 
04-07-2011, 04:39 PM
#2076
Lebron has great stats but he is by no means the MVP because you could plug another player a little less talented than him into that spot and the Heat would be exactly were they are now. The argument that the Bulls would be in the same place without Rose on the other hand is totally suspect they would definitely not be. Hands down Rose is the MVP. Its not about just stats and its not about who's the best player in the league.
04-07-2011, 04:40 PM
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Big game tonight versus the Celtics.
Boston: Just. Bring it.
Boston: Just. Bring it.
04-07-2011, 05:40 PM
#2078
I don't know who I'd pick for MVP to be honest.
Rose can be most improved as well....might be a way out for those who can't choose.
Lebron = MVP
Rose = Most Imroved
Howard = DPOY
Griffin = ROY
Thibodeau = COY
Lamar = 6th man
and lastly...
Kobe = Finals MVP and 2 x threepeat champ
Phil = 4 x threepeat champ
Rose can be most improved as well....might be a way out for those who can't choose.
Lebron = MVP
Rose = Most Imroved
Howard = DPOY
Griffin = ROY
Thibodeau = COY
Lamar = 6th man
and lastly...
Kobe = Finals MVP and 2 x threepeat champ
Phil = 4 x threepeat champ
04-07-2011, 09:04 PM
#2079
I don't know who I'd pick for MVP to be honest.
Rose can be most improved as well....might be a way out for those who can't choose.
Lebron = MVP
Rose = Most Imroved
Howard = DPOY
Griffin = ROY
Thibodeau = COY
Lamar = 6th man
and lastly...
Kobe = Finals MVP and 2 x threepeat champ
Phil = 4 x threepeat champ
Rose can be most improved as well....might be a way out for those who can't choose.
Lebron = MVP
Rose = Most Imroved
Howard = DPOY
Griffin = ROY
Thibodeau = COY
Lamar = 6th man
and lastly...
Kobe = Finals MVP and 2 x threepeat champ
Phil = 4 x threepeat champ
Well according to what you wrote I guess Lebron is your MVP.
Heres what mine would look like
Rose MVP
Howard DPOY
K Love Most Improved
Griffin ROY
Thibodeau COY
Lamar 6th Man
I just don't see how Lebron could be MVP because D-Wade, Bosh and crew along with almost anyone else would have the same record. Lebron is the most outstanding player overall this season but he's not the best player on the best team and he's not the most indispensible player either.
As of right now Rose comes closer to 2 of those categories than Lebron and is not far off of the third so my vote goes to Rose.
04-07-2011, 11:06 PM
#2080
Well according to what you wrote I guess Lebron is your MVP.
Heres what mine would look like
Rose MVP
Howard DPOY
K Love Most Improved
Griffin ROY
Thibodeau COY
Lamar 6th Man
I just don't see how Lebron could be MVP because D-Wade, Bosh and crew along with almost anyone else would have the same record. Lebron is the most outstanding player overall this season but he's not the best player on the best team and he's not the most indispensible player either.
As of right now Rose comes closer to 2 of those categories than Lebron and is not far off of the third so my vote goes to Rose.
Heres what mine would look like
Rose MVP
Howard DPOY
K Love Most Improved
Griffin ROY
Thibodeau COY
Lamar 6th Man
I just don't see how Lebron could be MVP because D-Wade, Bosh and crew along with almost anyone else would have the same record. Lebron is the most outstanding player overall this season but he's not the best player on the best team and he's not the most indispensible player either.
As of right now Rose comes closer to 2 of those categories than Lebron and is not far off of the third so my vote goes to Rose.
Think back to when our boy Shaq lost to AI or Kobe lost to no defense playing Steve Nash, twice. The MVP vote is nothing I trust nor really truly care about, so Lebron can be MVP, Rose can be MVP, even Dwight deserves it.
You can make an argument for (or against) either of those guys.