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Hockey: News and Discussion Thread
03-15-2010, 07:12 PM
03-15-2010, 07:15 PM
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03-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Downie almost removed Cindy leg, too bad it didn't work. :wink:
Surprised the twins haven't posted this yet
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Surprised the twins haven't posted this yet
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03-15-2010, 07:32 PM
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I'm agreeing with you knucklehead.
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Fawkin
Cherry FTMFW.
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Fawkin
Cherry FTMFW.
03-15-2010, 07:35 PM
Senior Moderator
Was Downie penalized on the play? Downie's another peice of trash. He should get 15 games for that.
03-15-2010, 08:05 PM
two minutes
03-15-2010, 08:05 PM
chips and smokes, lets go
The Ovie hit was from behind. Worthy of a suspension.
I don't know wtf Downie was trying. Crosby was lucky to not blow out his knee.
It seems as if all hell has broken lose after the Olympic break. Players are running around like dummies. Something needs to be done.
I don't know wtf Downie was trying. Crosby was lucky to not blow out his knee.
It seems as if all hell has broken lose after the Olympic break. Players are running around like dummies. Something needs to be done.
03-15-2010, 08:18 PM
03-16-2010, 08:47 AM
So we have players in the NHL hitting beyond what some people like...
Fan grabs goaltender's stick and hits him over head
MOSCOW - Russian ice hockey team Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg were fined $34,000 Monday after one of their fans leapt on to the rink and whacked a visiting player over the head with his own stick.
Toward the end of the first period in Sunday's Continental Hockey League (KHL) playoff game against Salavat Yulayev Ufa, a home fan jumped over protective glass boards, grabbed the stick from reserve Ufa goaltender Vitaly Kolesnik and attacked him.
"I guess I was lucky," Kolesnik, who suffered a deep cut but escaped a serious injury, told reporters.
"Doctors who treated me said if the hit was just a centimeter or two to the side, I could have been dead or left paralyzed," added the 30-year-old Kazakh, who played for the Colorado Avalanche in the NHL in 2005-06.
The KHL fined the club from the Urals 1 million roubles ($34,000) Monday for "failing to provide adequate security."
Ufa coach Igor Zakharkin said: "It looked like that mad guy kept hitting our player with a baseball bat. The blood was all over the place. We're still in shock.
"Most of our players didn't feel like playing after what had happened and our foreign players were literally scared but we were told the game must go on. The game didn't seem important anymore. No wonder we lost (4-3)."
Yekaterinburg police said they would press criminal charges against the fan.
The teams were back on the ice 24 hours later, with several hundred police and security personnel inside the arena protecting the players.
Monday's game went without incident, Ufa crushing the home team 8-1 to clinch the series 3-1 and advance to the conference semi-finals.
(Reporting by Gennady Fyodorov; Editing by Sonia Oxley)
MOSCOW - Russian ice hockey team Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg were fined $34,000 Monday after one of their fans leapt on to the rink and whacked a visiting player over the head with his own stick.
Toward the end of the first period in Sunday's Continental Hockey League (KHL) playoff game against Salavat Yulayev Ufa, a home fan jumped over protective glass boards, grabbed the stick from reserve Ufa goaltender Vitaly Kolesnik and attacked him.
"I guess I was lucky," Kolesnik, who suffered a deep cut but escaped a serious injury, told reporters.
"Doctors who treated me said if the hit was just a centimeter or two to the side, I could have been dead or left paralyzed," added the 30-year-old Kazakh, who played for the Colorado Avalanche in the NHL in 2005-06.
The KHL fined the club from the Urals 1 million roubles ($34,000) Monday for "failing to provide adequate security."
Ufa coach Igor Zakharkin said: "It looked like that mad guy kept hitting our player with a baseball bat. The blood was all over the place. We're still in shock.
"Most of our players didn't feel like playing after what had happened and our foreign players were literally scared but we were told the game must go on. The game didn't seem important anymore. No wonder we lost (4-3)."
Yekaterinburg police said they would press criminal charges against the fan.
The teams were back on the ice 24 hours later, with several hundred police and security personnel inside the arena protecting the players.
Monday's game went without incident, Ufa crushing the home team 8-1 to clinch the series 3-1 and advance to the conference semi-finals.
(Reporting by Gennady Fyodorov; Editing by Sonia Oxley)
03-16-2010, 09:18 AM
Interesting. Interesting.
Good commentary by Burnside on the NHL whole disciplinary mess.
Originally Posted by Scott Burnside, ESPN
Ever see the movie "Memento"?
Its star, Guy Pearce, plays a man who has short-term memory loss, and as he hunts for his wife's killer, he must constantly remind himself what he's after and what he has done by writing himself notes or tattooing messages to himself on his body. He wakes up every day as if it's his first day on the case. He has no idea what he has done or what he's about to do, except for the notes he has scribbled to himself.
We imagine NHL head disciplinarian Colin Campbell in the same way, waking up every day and looking down at the information in front of him as though it's the first day he has encountered any of it, trying to make sense of it all.
[+] EnlargeAlex Ovechkin
AP Photo/Nam Y. HuhAlex Ovechkin was suspended Monday for his boarding hit on Hawks defenseman Brian Campbell. It was the Capitals captain's second suspension of the season.
"Suspend Alex Ovechkin, but not for too long," Monday's note must have said.
"Look for way to suspend Matt Cooke," another message might have read, although that one apparently blew out the door when Campbell picked up his morning paper.
"Ignore Steve Downie," another might read, given that that's what Campbell did in failing to suspend Downie after the Tampa Bay Lightning forward looked to deliberately bring down Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby from behind Sunday with a potentially devastating knee twist.
We laugh until we cry.
That's what the NHL has become when it comes to discipline.
The world of what is right and wrong in the NHL as it relates to on-ice behavior is in such a ragged state of affairs that whatever emerges is what we expected to emerge because there is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Not anymore.
Each new suspension -- or nonsuspension, as was the case with Cooke's hit on Marc Savard -- is like the first. Each incident is its own delicate snowflake unlike any of the other snowflakes in the blizzard of chaos that envelops the NHL. Precedent comes into it when it's convenient and is ignored when it's not. And there's always some mumbo jumbo about following the rulebook in rationalizing a suspension or a decision not to suspend, depending on the time of day.
Which is why we were not surprised when Campbell and the NHL handed Ovechkin a two-game suspension Monday for the Washington Capitals star's hit on Chicago Blackhawks defenseman Brian Campbell.
If Ovechkin had been given 10 games, we would have been neither surprised nor shocked. If Colin Campbell had given Ovechkin a stern talking-to and a fine, we would have been equally surprised, or not surprised, as the case may be.
Look at the Downie check on Crosby and the Ovechkin push on Brian Campbell that gave the Caps star his second two-game suspension of the season, then tell us which was the more dangerous play.
Crosby was essentially wiped out from behind by Downie well away from the puck, and Campbell, who seems to stumble just as Ovechkin launches him into the end boards, is hit sort of from the side, sort of from behind. We're not excusing the Ovechkin hit, nor do we take umbrage with the call on the ice, which was a major for boarding and a game misconduct. We're just trying to figure out how we got from A to B.
For instance, is Ovechkin suspended and Downie not because it turns out Brian Campbell might be gone for the season and Crosby miraculously is not? If that's the case, the league should acknowledge that it is going to suspend players based on the severity of the injury incurred as a result of an incident.
We don't mind that, really. Of course, that's not the league's policy, though, is it?
If the league connected injury to discipline, it would hardly have allowed Mike Richards to skate after ruining David Booth's season with a blindside hit, would it? Richards was ejected from that game against the Florida Panthers in October, and the league could have hammered the Philadelphia Flyers forward, which is what it should have done. But it didn't. Then, the NHL couldn't very well suspend Cooke for ending Savard's season because that blindside hit didn't even draw a penalty. (At least that was the fine print on the league's decision to ignore the Cooke hit.)
The fact there was no penalty called on the play didn't stop Campbell from suspending Maxim Lapierre of the Montreal Canadiens for four games after he cross checked Scott Nichol of the San Jose Sharks into the boards a couple of weeks ago. Just in case you were trying to draw a line from A to B to C.
So, now you have Cooke not suspended for a hit 10 times more dangerous than Ovechkin's hit on Campbell and Ovechkin gone for two. Well, that pretty much makes everything OK.
"Look at us, we're suspending a star player. Look, we're not really paralyzed." All the Ovechkin suspension has done is reinforce the widely held perception -- within the league and beyond -- that the NHL has no idea what it's doing when it comes to handing out supplemental discipline.
Because here's the thing. If Colin Campbell really believed Ovechkin's hit was reckless, he should have thrown the book at him. Ovechkin is a repeat offender -- that was noted in the NHL's news release that accompanied the suspension Monday afternoon -- so why not 10 games? If it's about creating a deterrent to dangerous play, make it a deterrent.
The thing is, the earlier suspension seemed to do exactly what it was designed to do: modify Ovechkin's behavior. In the 23 games before Sunday's contest, Ovechkin had three minors for six minutes, none of which was for a hitting violation. In the 39 games since his suspension, Ovechkin had 11 minors, three of them coming in an altercation with Downie (hey, where did we hear his name?). One of the minors was for diving.
But this isn't about making a statement or taking a stand, it's about optics and public pressure and trying to do damage control in the wake of the Richards and Cooke fiascoes.
Too late. That ship has sailed friends.
At this stage, the NHL has zero credibility when it comes to handing out discipline. Which is why the Ovechkin suspension means nothing on almost every level except the $232,645.40 the suspension will mean to the players' emergency fund, which is the recipient of the lost pay that comes with these suspensions.
This will be so until the NHL has the gumption to make meaningful change to the way it does business, until it tears down the Star Chamber and replaces Colin Campbell with a more effective, more transparent form of justice, one the players and coaches and fans can understand and accept.
Start with standard levels of suspensions for certain acts. A boarding major such as the one Ovechkin was assessed Sunday would carry a sliding scale starting with five games and moving to 10 games for a second offense, and so on. Assess standard suspensions for repeat offenders. Let's start at 10 games for a second suspension and go from there.
Have a panel made up of GMs, players and league officials come up with the scale and stick to it. No hearings, no fine print. "If you do this, this is what will happen to you."
Want to know what will happen? Players will stop doing those things.
They don't stop now because they have no idea what will happen to them. No one does. Not even Colin Campbell.
Its star, Guy Pearce, plays a man who has short-term memory loss, and as he hunts for his wife's killer, he must constantly remind himself what he's after and what he has done by writing himself notes or tattooing messages to himself on his body. He wakes up every day as if it's his first day on the case. He has no idea what he has done or what he's about to do, except for the notes he has scribbled to himself.
We imagine NHL head disciplinarian Colin Campbell in the same way, waking up every day and looking down at the information in front of him as though it's the first day he has encountered any of it, trying to make sense of it all.
[+] EnlargeAlex Ovechkin
AP Photo/Nam Y. HuhAlex Ovechkin was suspended Monday for his boarding hit on Hawks defenseman Brian Campbell. It was the Capitals captain's second suspension of the season.
"Suspend Alex Ovechkin, but not for too long," Monday's note must have said.
"Look for way to suspend Matt Cooke," another message might have read, although that one apparently blew out the door when Campbell picked up his morning paper.
"Ignore Steve Downie," another might read, given that that's what Campbell did in failing to suspend Downie after the Tampa Bay Lightning forward looked to deliberately bring down Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby from behind Sunday with a potentially devastating knee twist.
We laugh until we cry.
That's what the NHL has become when it comes to discipline.
The world of what is right and wrong in the NHL as it relates to on-ice behavior is in such a ragged state of affairs that whatever emerges is what we expected to emerge because there is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Not anymore.
Each new suspension -- or nonsuspension, as was the case with Cooke's hit on Marc Savard -- is like the first. Each incident is its own delicate snowflake unlike any of the other snowflakes in the blizzard of chaos that envelops the NHL. Precedent comes into it when it's convenient and is ignored when it's not. And there's always some mumbo jumbo about following the rulebook in rationalizing a suspension or a decision not to suspend, depending on the time of day.
Which is why we were not surprised when Campbell and the NHL handed Ovechkin a two-game suspension Monday for the Washington Capitals star's hit on Chicago Blackhawks defenseman Brian Campbell.
If Ovechkin had been given 10 games, we would have been neither surprised nor shocked. If Colin Campbell had given Ovechkin a stern talking-to and a fine, we would have been equally surprised, or not surprised, as the case may be.
Look at the Downie check on Crosby and the Ovechkin push on Brian Campbell that gave the Caps star his second two-game suspension of the season, then tell us which was the more dangerous play.
Crosby was essentially wiped out from behind by Downie well away from the puck, and Campbell, who seems to stumble just as Ovechkin launches him into the end boards, is hit sort of from the side, sort of from behind. We're not excusing the Ovechkin hit, nor do we take umbrage with the call on the ice, which was a major for boarding and a game misconduct. We're just trying to figure out how we got from A to B.
For instance, is Ovechkin suspended and Downie not because it turns out Brian Campbell might be gone for the season and Crosby miraculously is not? If that's the case, the league should acknowledge that it is going to suspend players based on the severity of the injury incurred as a result of an incident.
We don't mind that, really. Of course, that's not the league's policy, though, is it?
If the league connected injury to discipline, it would hardly have allowed Mike Richards to skate after ruining David Booth's season with a blindside hit, would it? Richards was ejected from that game against the Florida Panthers in October, and the league could have hammered the Philadelphia Flyers forward, which is what it should have done. But it didn't. Then, the NHL couldn't very well suspend Cooke for ending Savard's season because that blindside hit didn't even draw a penalty. (At least that was the fine print on the league's decision to ignore the Cooke hit.)
The fact there was no penalty called on the play didn't stop Campbell from suspending Maxim Lapierre of the Montreal Canadiens for four games after he cross checked Scott Nichol of the San Jose Sharks into the boards a couple of weeks ago. Just in case you were trying to draw a line from A to B to C.
So, now you have Cooke not suspended for a hit 10 times more dangerous than Ovechkin's hit on Campbell and Ovechkin gone for two. Well, that pretty much makes everything OK.
"Look at us, we're suspending a star player. Look, we're not really paralyzed." All the Ovechkin suspension has done is reinforce the widely held perception -- within the league and beyond -- that the NHL has no idea what it's doing when it comes to handing out supplemental discipline.
Because here's the thing. If Colin Campbell really believed Ovechkin's hit was reckless, he should have thrown the book at him. Ovechkin is a repeat offender -- that was noted in the NHL's news release that accompanied the suspension Monday afternoon -- so why not 10 games? If it's about creating a deterrent to dangerous play, make it a deterrent.
The thing is, the earlier suspension seemed to do exactly what it was designed to do: modify Ovechkin's behavior. In the 23 games before Sunday's contest, Ovechkin had three minors for six minutes, none of which was for a hitting violation. In the 39 games since his suspension, Ovechkin had 11 minors, three of them coming in an altercation with Downie (hey, where did we hear his name?). One of the minors was for diving.
But this isn't about making a statement or taking a stand, it's about optics and public pressure and trying to do damage control in the wake of the Richards and Cooke fiascoes.
Too late. That ship has sailed friends.
At this stage, the NHL has zero credibility when it comes to handing out discipline. Which is why the Ovechkin suspension means nothing on almost every level except the $232,645.40 the suspension will mean to the players' emergency fund, which is the recipient of the lost pay that comes with these suspensions.
This will be so until the NHL has the gumption to make meaningful change to the way it does business, until it tears down the Star Chamber and replaces Colin Campbell with a more effective, more transparent form of justice, one the players and coaches and fans can understand and accept.
Start with standard levels of suspensions for certain acts. A boarding major such as the one Ovechkin was assessed Sunday would carry a sliding scale starting with five games and moving to 10 games for a second offense, and so on. Assess standard suspensions for repeat offenders. Let's start at 10 games for a second suspension and go from there.
Have a panel made up of GMs, players and league officials come up with the scale and stick to it. No hearings, no fine print. "If you do this, this is what will happen to you."
Want to know what will happen? Players will stop doing those things.
They don't stop now because they have no idea what will happen to them. No one does. Not even Colin Campbell.
03-16-2010, 09:24 AM
Senior Moderator
Good read.
I can't believe Downie won't be suspended.
I can't believe Downie won't be suspended.
03-16-2010, 09:34 AM
Yes good read and very clear punishments are what is needed.
The talk about "modify Ovechkin's behavior", Melrose said on ESPN that instead of trying to get him to play down, maybe the other players should start to play up.
I can't find the quote online, he did his report via telephone, that's ESPN great hockey coverage.
The talk about "modify Ovechkin's behavior", Melrose said on ESPN that instead of trying to get him to play down, maybe the other players should start to play up.
I can't find the quote online, he did his report via telephone, that's ESPN great hockey coverage.
03-16-2010, 09:42 AM
Senior Moderator
Lapierre got what for doing the same thing to someone...? 4 games...?
Ovie who is a repeat offender got 2. Horseshit. Whatever...Like I said, he may have felt bad or he didn't mean it. But, the lack of consistency by the League, it's ridiculous. It's no wonder it is behind every major sport in the US. Crap like this and having Twiddle-dums running it.
Ovie who is a repeat offender got 2. Horseshit. Whatever...Like I said, he may have felt bad or he didn't mean it. But, the lack of consistency by the League, it's ridiculous. It's no wonder it is behind every major sport in the US. Crap like this and having Twiddle-dums running it.
03-16-2010, 09:50 AM
Lapierre hits was very intentional, Ovie's was not.
03-16-2010, 09:54 AM
Senior Moderator
^ Speculative. 
Ovie's a repeat offender...and the funny thing is, it's never his fault. At least from what he claims.
Whatever, he did your team a favor. He knocked out one of Chicago's top D-men and strengthens the Caps' chance to win the Cup when the Hawks meet up with them in the Finals.
We'll give this one to ya.
Ovie's a repeat offender...and the funny thing is, it's never his fault. At least from what he claims.
Whatever, he did your team a favor. He knocked out one of Chicago's top D-men and strengthens the Caps' chance to win the Cup when the Hawks meet up with them in the Finals.
We'll give this one to ya.
03-16-2010, 10:00 AM
Trying to come up with reasons the cawks won't win the cup?????
If he was that good he wouldn't have let Ovie push him around like a rag doll.
If he was that good he wouldn't have let Ovie push him around like a rag doll.
03-16-2010, 10:35 AM
Senior Moderator
Dude...you serious...? I'm sorry that Campbell does not have eyes behind his head so that he could see the guy incoming.
Ovechkin has a duty to STOP and not plow into a player who's back is turned and a foot away from the boards. How the eff does that have anything to do with a d-man's skills/talent...???
So, I guess using your logic, Crosby sucks because he should've avoided Downie. And Savard sucks too because well, he should've avoided Cooke.
03-16-2010, 10:47 AM
That was a snide remark to what I was reading (I think on nhl.com) about Ovie being two inches taller and 40 pounds heavier, also from NHL of the Fly saying he's a linebacker on skates, that he needs to be careful because he is much bigger.
03-16-2010, 10:49 AM
Senior Moderator
Well, I think...what I can take away from all of this is...if Chicago does not win the Cup...I can now use Campbell's injury as the reason. And I won't have to go at it with dom because of goalies. 
03-16-2010, 01:55 PM
Check out Kiprusoff's reaction to the goal. Was a pretty good goal by Datsyuk
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03-16-2010, 03:32 PM
Senior Moderator
You could argue Robbie Schremp of the Isles has the ability to stickhandle through a phonebooth.
03-16-2010, 03:57 PM
03-16-2010, 03:59 PM
Senior Moderator
^ That'll teach him to knee a star player. 
03-16-2010, 06:02 PM
Trolling Canuckistan
Dude...you serious...? I'm sorry that Campbell does not have eyes behind his head so that he could see the guy incoming.
Ovechkin has a duty to STOP and not plow into a player who's back is turned and a foot away from the boards. How the eff does that have anything to do with a d-man's skills/talent...???
So, I guess using your logic, Crosby sucks because he should've avoided Downie. And Savard sucks too because well, he should've avoided Cooke.
You may want to check the replay again. He hit him at the goal line which is a little further than a foot from the boards. I don't think the Ovechkin play was as bad is it's being made out to be, Campbell fell awkwardly which caused the injury. I'm pretty surprised they even called it boarding since the contact occurred about 11 feet from the boards, I always thought boarding was in the 3-6 foot range.
03-16-2010, 06:12 PM
Senior Moderator
Goal line is 11 feet from the boards. It was a hit FROM BEHIND which is against the rules. End of story.
03-17-2010, 07:48 AM
Senior Moderator
I actually have some positives feelings about the Leafs these days. They now have some good, decent young players who are showing promise. This is the first time I've been able to say that in about 20 years.
A bunch of under 24 year old players...Kessel, Bozak, Kulemin, Caputi (a steal IMO), Stalberg and Hanson on offense with Kadri on his way. Even the defense has some promise. Scheen, Phaneuf, Gunnarson are all young and can grow together. Gustafsson has potential.
Still a couple of stiffs who have to shipped out of town, namely Grabovski, Finger, Exelby and I think we need a new coach but otherwise things are looking up.
There's still that damn 1st rounder hanging over our heads but this should be a playoff team in the 11/12 season.
A bunch of under 24 year old players...Kessel, Bozak, Kulemin, Caputi (a steal IMO), Stalberg and Hanson on offense with Kadri on his way. Even the defense has some promise. Scheen, Phaneuf, Gunnarson are all young and can grow together. Gustafsson has potential.
Still a couple of stiffs who have to shipped out of town, namely Grabovski, Finger, Exelby and I think we need a new coach but otherwise things are looking up.
There's still that damn 1st rounder hanging over our heads but this should be a playoff team in the 11/12 season.
Last edited by dom; 03-17-2010 at 07:51 AM.
03-17-2010, 09:33 AM
Senior Moderator
^ Nothing like slapping the Sens around to brighten your mood, hey?
03-17-2010, 11:04 AM
Senior Moderator
While that was fun this is the first time is a long time that the Leafs are going with youth. Its nice to see.
03-17-2010, 11:22 AM
I am #76,361,211,935
night was horrible - 2 shitty teams playing really shitty hockey - and the
Sens were the shittier by far.
03-17-2010, 11:23 AM
Senior Moderator
Yup, I don't think I've ever seen so many turnovers. And some really bad ones too.
03-17-2010, 11:56 AM
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03-17-2010, 12:34 PM
chips and smokes, lets go
I actually have some positives feelings about the Leafs these days. They now have some good, decent young players who are showing promise. This is the first time I've been able to say that in about 20 years.
A bunch of under 24 year old players...Kessel, Bozak, Kulemin, Caputi (a steal IMO), Stalberg and Hanson on offense with Kadri on his way. Even the defense has some promise. Scheen, Phaneuf, Gunnarson are all young and can grow together. Gustafsson has potential.
Still a couple of stiffs who have to shipped out of town, namely Grabovski, Finger, Exelby and I think we need a new coach but otherwise things are looking up.
There's still that damn 1st rounder hanging over our heads but this should be a playoff team in the 11/12 season.
A bunch of under 24 year old players...Kessel, Bozak, Kulemin, Caputi (a steal IMO), Stalberg and Hanson on offense with Kadri on his way. Even the defense has some promise. Scheen, Phaneuf, Gunnarson are all young and can grow together. Gustafsson has potential.
Still a couple of stiffs who have to shipped out of town, namely Grabovski, Finger, Exelby and I think we need a new coach but otherwise things are looking up.
There's still that damn 1st rounder hanging over our heads but this should be a playoff team in the 11/12 season.
03-17-2010, 02:11 PM
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Still not worth 2 1st's and a 2nd
03-17-2010, 07:35 PM
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Do people in Toronto like Luca so far? Is he playing well?
It's a good thing they traded away Rask. You never want too much of a good thing. I mean Raycroft was totally worth it.
What's the infatuation with making the Bruins better? It's going to suck being a Leafs fan and watching them in 3-4 years...... 
03-17-2010, 07:53 PM
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Like what I see so far. But we'll see what happens next year. Either way, I think he'll have more impact than Ponsky. Who can dissapear at times.
I'm looking forward. The dark days are behind us (not very far mind you). The mistakes of John 'The Franchise killer' Ferguson and Burkes gifts to the Bruins are a thing of the past. The Cup is coming home.
It's a good thing they traded away Rask. You never want too much of a good thing. I mean Raycroft was totally worth it. What's the infatuation with making the Bruins better? It's going to suck being a Leafs fan and watching them in 3-4 years......
What's the infatuation with making the Bruins better? It's going to suck being a Leafs fan and watching them in 3-4 years......