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Hockey: News and Discussion Thread
03-07-2010, 03:23 PM
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Huet looked sharp today. 
03-07-2010, 03:58 PM
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^ Bad game by Huet...but, Chicago had a terrible 2nd period defensively overall.
03-07-2010, 03:58 PM
I feel the need...
03-07-2010, 04:14 PM
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03-07-2010, 04:20 PM
I feel the need...
I actually have a real life and don't wade through hotel trash bins to covet some of Ovy's used socks to sell on Ebay.
03-07-2010, 04:34 PM
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Anyhoo...I'll give credit where credit's due. Your team took advantage of some defensive miscues (i.e. breakaway, alone in the slot, etc.) from the Hawks in the 2nd. Add that to Huet not making a big stop when needed...Voila 5-2 lead going into the 3rd.
But, don't tell me you weren't sharting your pants when Chicago turned it up a notch in the 3rd.
I hope our teams meet in the opening round.
03-08-2010, 05:37 AM
I feel the need...
Yummy FYI, here in Hockeytown, Oct thru Feb constitutes the pre-season, March is the regular season, and April - June is the only season that matters.
Given your goaltending situation, last years Sharks flameout, finally a healthy team and the afterglow on Babcock's face -- I with ya! 
I hope our teams meet in the opening round.
03-08-2010, 09:35 AM
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03-08-2010, 01:52 PM
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Speaking of which, am I the only one who thinks Cooke belongs on the Flyers for his cheap antics...? 
I only say this because from the times I've seen him in action, he always seems to play in that very "grey" area...I consider him a very dirty player. As bad as Pronger.
I only say this because from the times I've seen him in action, he always seems to play in that very "grey" area...I consider him a very dirty player. As bad as Pronger.
03-08-2010, 01:54 PM
2008 Acura TL
He's more along the lines of a more skilled Jarkko Ruutu. Starts shit and doesn't back it up. Like Avery, as well.
03-08-2010, 01:57 PM
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I dunno...one of these days, I think he'll cost your team one of your star players.
03-08-2010, 02:01 PM
2008 Acura TL
I dunno about the costing a star player, haven't seen anyone try and run crosby or malkin lately... and it was definitely a hit to the head. He should be suspended due to principle. 3-5 games, to send a message that those hits won't be tolerated.
Was it intentional? Didn't really look like it, savard isn't that tall so his head may be where cooke's shoulder was... it didn't seem that he intentionally aimed for his head or tried to leave his feet to check him in the head, it was just a check that hit on that part of savard. Like look at Chara, if he checks guys with an elbow, it's right by the guys head because he's a good half foot taller than everyone else.
Was it intentional? Didn't really look like it, savard isn't that tall so his head may be where cooke's shoulder was... it didn't seem that he intentionally aimed for his head or tried to leave his feet to check him in the head, it was just a check that hit on that part of savard. Like look at Chara, if he checks guys with an elbow, it's right by the guys head because he's a good half foot taller than everyone else.
03-08-2010, 02:05 PM
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I dunno about the costing a star player, haven't seen anyone try and run crosby or malkin lately... and it was definitely a hit to the head. He should be suspended due to principle. 3-5 games, to send a message that those hits won't be tolerated.
Was it intentional? Didn't really look like it, savard isn't that tall so his head may be where cooke's shoulder was... it didn't seem that he intentionally aimed for his head or tried to leave his feet to check him in the head, it was just a check that hit on that part of savard. Like look at Chara, if he checks guys with an elbow, it's right by the guys head because he's a good half foot taller than everyone else.
Was it intentional? Didn't really look like it, savard isn't that tall so his head may be where cooke's shoulder was... it didn't seem that he intentionally aimed for his head or tried to leave his feet to check him in the head, it was just a check that hit on that part of savard. Like look at Chara, if he checks guys with an elbow, it's right by the guys head because he's a good half foot taller than everyone else.
03-08-2010, 02:14 PM
2008 Acura TL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_F7LEZ78_o
Wasn't late. Savard just passed the puck. Cooke kept his arms down and just checked him, but it was to his side, not directly behind. Like a glancing blow.
Same as the Richards/Booth hit.
Wasn't late. Savard just passed the puck. Cooke kept his arms down and just checked him, but it was to his side, not directly behind. Like a glancing blow.
Same as the Richards/Booth hit.
03-08-2010, 02:20 PM
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^ Ah...okay. I guess different replay angle.
Anyhow...hope Savard is okay.
Anyhow...hope Savard is okay.
03-08-2010, 04:33 PM
Three Wheelin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_F7LEZ78_o
Wasn't late. Savard just passed the puck. Cooke kept his arms down and just checked him, but it was to his side, not directly behind. Like a glancing blow.
Same as the Richards/Booth hit.
Wasn't late. Savard just passed the puck. Cooke kept his arms down and just checked him, but it was to his side, not directly behind. Like a glancing blow.
Same as the Richards/Booth hit.
Richards hit not comparable to Pens' Cooke
There’s plenty of talk around the league today about Pittsburgh Penguins forward Matt Cooke’s hit on Boston’s Marc Savard, resulting in a concussion for Savard yesterday. There have also been some comparisons made between that hit and the one that Mike Richards laid on Florida’s David Booth in October.
Although they look somewhat similar at first glance, there are some major differences; the biggest of which is that Richards keeps his elbow tucked to his body and makes contact with his shoulder, while Cooke appeared to hit Savard with an extended forearm.
Richards was not suspended for the hit, while Cooke is likely to sit for a while.
03-08-2010, 05:00 PM
Well he should sit for awhile, this on top of already being a repeat offender before his hit last Nov.
03-08-2010, 06:18 PM
Caps vs Dallas on Versus, can't see it tonight, Thank You DTV.
03-08-2010, 06:19 PM
I feel the need...
03-08-2010, 06:40 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
03-08-2010, 08:03 PM
chips and smokes, lets go
I hate to see a player stretchered off of the ice.
This hit is almost identical to the Richards hit on Booth. If Richards was not suspended then Cooke should not be suspended either. Cooke's history should not factor into whether or not this type of hit is suspendable. The league unfortunately already made their decision about this type of play on the Richards hit. I'm curious to see how this turns out.
This hit is almost identical to the Richards hit on Booth. If Richards was not suspended then Cooke should not be suspended either. Cooke's history should not factor into whether or not this type of hit is suspendable. The league unfortunately already made their decision about this type of play on the Richards hit. I'm curious to see how this turns out.
03-09-2010, 12:15 AM
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03-09-2010, 09:02 AM
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The Cooke hit happened right in front of me sitting at center ice and I didn't see him throw his arm out, and I couldn't really see him throw his arm out or move his arm in the replays above. He certainly led with his shoulder that much is clear. I definitely think he should sit just for the fact that he is a repeat offender and that it's pretty much the standard now, however I think the league really needs to make a clean cut rule on this. It was a clean hit and he was not penalized, from all angles I've seen including sitting right there. He looked to be going shoulder to shoulder, therefore the suspension gets a little more questionable, but there is precedent since he has been suspended before, but regardless it is pretty identical to the Richards hit in every way, shoulder to head when the person getting hit moves their head as they're playing the puck.
03-09-2010, 05:32 PM
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Speaking of sparkplugs...Adam Burish is finally back against the Kings! 
03-10-2010, 01:06 PM
chips and smokes, lets go
GM's recommend that head shots be penalized.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=313303
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=313303
"A lateral, back pressure or blindside hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and or the principal point of contact is not permitted.
03-10-2010, 02:52 PM
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Not sure what to say about the NHL's lack of teeth anymore. 
03-10-2010, 06:18 PM
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Idiotic precedent. NHL buries its head like usual. We'll see what this new rule does if anything but I doubt things will change.
Its not about a particular type of hit IMO. Its about respect or lack thereof. These guys just aren't thinking anymore. Its the hit whatever moves attitude that has to be changed.
I heard hitting is up something like 20-30% after the lockout?
Its not about a particular type of hit IMO. Its about respect or lack thereof. These guys just aren't thinking anymore. Its the hit whatever moves attitude that has to be changed.
I heard hitting is up something like 20-30% after the lockout?
03-10-2010, 06:24 PM
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While many NHL players did not want to specifically criticize Penguins' forward Matt Cooke on record for his hit to the head of Bruins' playmaker Marc Savard; two of the league's biggest stars had no trouble taking the Pens' pest to task for his actions.
"He's got no respect for the players," said Tampa Bay Lightning captain Vincent Lecavalier. "Matt Cooke, he's been doing that for a long time."
Like much of the league, Lecavalier wants to see a change in the way that headshots are penalized, but he realizes that the majority of the onus remains on the players themselves to do the right thing. Something Lecavalier believes that Cooke ignored.
"He knew exactly what he was doing when he came with his shoulder," Lecavalier stated. "He knew exactly that he was going to hit his head and that's how guys get hurt."
Lecavalier was not alone in his criticism, Lightning teammate Martin St. Louis was also vocal about his displeasure at the lack of suspension for a repeat offender like Cooke.
"There are certain players in this league, that you tend to see on the highlights with hits like that," said St. Louis. "I don't think it's a coincidence that it was given by Matt Cooke. He's a hard working player, I don't want to take anything away from the way he plays the game but I think that there are times when guys are vulnerable and he still follows through. If that hit is not a suspension, I don't know what is."
Much like Lecavalier, St. Louis was quick to place the responsibility solely on the players.
"Off the ice, there are not many bad guys in this league. But you get on the ice and it's like no regard for the other guy's well-being."
While Lecavalier believes that it is a positive that the league's general managers proposed a change to the headshot rule to go into effect next season, he does not believe that it goes far enough to protect the victims of the soon-to-be illegal hits.
"Look at Marc Savard, he's out for the season. They are protecting the wrong guy, that's for sure."
"He's got no respect for the players," said Tampa Bay Lightning captain Vincent Lecavalier. "Matt Cooke, he's been doing that for a long time."
Like much of the league, Lecavalier wants to see a change in the way that headshots are penalized, but he realizes that the majority of the onus remains on the players themselves to do the right thing. Something Lecavalier believes that Cooke ignored.
"He knew exactly what he was doing when he came with his shoulder," Lecavalier stated. "He knew exactly that he was going to hit his head and that's how guys get hurt."
Lecavalier was not alone in his criticism, Lightning teammate Martin St. Louis was also vocal about his displeasure at the lack of suspension for a repeat offender like Cooke.
"There are certain players in this league, that you tend to see on the highlights with hits like that," said St. Louis. "I don't think it's a coincidence that it was given by Matt Cooke. He's a hard working player, I don't want to take anything away from the way he plays the game but I think that there are times when guys are vulnerable and he still follows through. If that hit is not a suspension, I don't know what is."
Much like Lecavalier, St. Louis was quick to place the responsibility solely on the players.
"Off the ice, there are not many bad guys in this league. But you get on the ice and it's like no regard for the other guy's well-being."
While Lecavalier believes that it is a positive that the league's general managers proposed a change to the headshot rule to go into effect next season, he does not believe that it goes far enough to protect the victims of the soon-to-be illegal hits.
"Look at Marc Savard, he's out for the season. They are protecting the wrong guy, that's for sure."
03-10-2010, 06:47 PM
Savard could be out for the rest of his career. Head injuries aren't just oh you should be better in four months.
03-10-2010, 07:41 PM
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I'd be livid if I was a Bruins fan.
03-10-2010, 07:46 PM
chips and smokes, lets go
Idiotic precedent. NHL buries its head like usual. We'll see what this new rule does if anything but I doubt things will change.
Its not about a particular type of hit IMO. Its about respect or lack thereof. These guys just aren't thinking anymore. Its the hit whatever moves attitude that has to be changed.
I heard hitting is up something like 20-30% after the lockout?
Its not about a particular type of hit IMO. Its about respect or lack thereof. These guys just aren't thinking anymore. Its the hit whatever moves attitude that has to be changed.
I heard hitting is up something like 20-30% after the lockout?
Secondly, the players who are making these hits are not being held accountable. I'm not talking about by the NHL, but by their piers. In another era if players were running around like this they would be dealt with quickly. As a player you knew that if you did something that was out of line that you would pay. It's not like that anymore.
The game has changed so much over the past 10-20 years. Not only are the players bigger, stronger and faster, we are living in an age of youtube and multiple instant replay. Any incident that occurs is discussed not stop for the next 24 hours on all the talk/radio shows. Not to take anything away from these incidents but the media blows them all out of proportion. Let's not forget about medical advancements. What was once a player "getting his bell rung" is now a "grade 2 concussion" that is possibly career ending.
It's not just the respect, or lack there of. The game has evolved and the rules need to as well. I don't have the right answer for this but there needs to be change.
03-10-2010, 07:50 PM
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There are many issues here. First of all I agree that there is a lack of respect among some of the players. It takes a certain type of character to hit someone like Richards or Cooke did. I think a lot of players would not make that hit because even though they know it is within the rules, it is a dirty play. Sure the best hits are when the player is not expecting it or vulnerable, but there has to be some honor amongst the players. Targeting the head, and just the head is a problem.
Secondly, the players who are making these hits are not being held accountable. I'm not talking about by the NHL, but by their piers. In another era if players were running around like this they would be dealt with quickly. As a player you knew that if you did something that was out of line that you would pay. It's not like that anymore.
The game has changed so much over the past 10-20 years. Not only are the players bigger, stronger and faster, we are living in an age of youtube and multiple instant replay. Any incident that occurs is discussed not stop for the next 24 hours on all the talk/radio shows. Not to take anything away from these incidents but the media blows them all out of proportion. Let's not forget about medical advancements. What was once a player "getting his bell rung" is now a "grade 2 concussion" that is possibly career ending.
It's not just the respect, or lack there of. The game has evolved and the rules need to as well. I don't have the right answer for this but there needs to be change.
Secondly, the players who are making these hits are not being held accountable. I'm not talking about by the NHL, but by their piers. In another era if players were running around like this they would be dealt with quickly. As a player you knew that if you did something that was out of line that you would pay. It's not like that anymore.
The game has changed so much over the past 10-20 years. Not only are the players bigger, stronger and faster, we are living in an age of youtube and multiple instant replay. Any incident that occurs is discussed not stop for the next 24 hours on all the talk/radio shows. Not to take anything away from these incidents but the media blows them all out of proportion. Let's not forget about medical advancements. What was once a player "getting his bell rung" is now a "grade 2 concussion" that is possibly career ending.
It's not just the respect, or lack there of. The game has evolved and the rules need to as well. I don't have the right answer for this but there needs to be change.
The NFL makes rule changes constantly and the league hasn't suffered one bit. Sitting on your hands won't get you anywhere.
03-10-2010, 10:00 PM
This new rules still doesn't come out and say head shots and what game penalties should be and the after game suspensions should be.
Should be like 5 minute major and game misconduct and three game suspension to start, doubled for each offense afterwords.
Should be like 5 minute major and game misconduct and three game suspension to start, doubled for each offense afterwords.
03-10-2010, 10:16 PM
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Thank-you, Patrick Sharp!
03-11-2010, 10:54 AM
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Interesting weekend coming up: Flyers followed right after with the Caps.