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Old May 16, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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I'm sure this has been discussed before, but...

I bought an 80 GB PS3 that apparently can't play PS2 games, yet it still gives me the option to save PS2 saved games on it. If I can't play PS2 games on it then why would I want to copy my save files to it? Just wondering..
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Old May 16, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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its because the OS is the same for all versions of the ps3, there are versions of the PS3 that can play PS2 games.
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Old May 17, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
its because the OS is the same for all versions of the ps3, there are versions of the PS3 that can play PS2 games.
Well wtf then, why are they trying to give me false hope?
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Old May 18, 2009 | 08:20 AM
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No hardware/software emulation installed FTL
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Old May 18, 2009 | 07:04 PM
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/s...ease-and-desi/

Slim PS3 update: mysterious Chinese firm issues a cease and desist... to Engadget

by Joshua Topolsky, posted May 18th 2009 at 3:17PM
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Gallery: Wild and slim PS3 redesign caught on camera?



Dear Sir,

We just find that the following web pages on your website contain some
confidential document and photos, which were highly possibly illegally
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We are investigating this violation and will bring all necessary legal
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 09:00 PM
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Post Motion Controller Announced...

Video here...I think it's really cool. Is it a Wii-killer? Hard to say...but, I'd buy it.

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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 07:36 AM
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The Gizmodo and Kotaku bloggers said it was more accurate than Wii Motion Plus. I'm disappointed that they didn't announce the slim PS3. And they pushed that Mod Racing game way too much. Freaking Sony is using the Wii formula with that Mario Kart wanna be and motion controls.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 01:57 PM
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Sony announces slim PS3

Goes on sale worldwide in September, with a North American price of $299.

120GB hard drive.

The news conference summary is extra-long, with the PS3 announcement towards the end.

http://gamescom.gamespot.com/story/6...escom-briefing



COLOGNE--While GamesCom won't open its doors to the public until tomorrow, today may see the biggest news to come out of the massive trade show. This evening, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has summoned reporters, analysts, and industry types to gather for its press briefing, initially believed to be three hours long.

While the briefing's runtime is now closer to just an hour, that gives Sony plenty of times to use the event to broadcast its PlayStation brand plans for the world. There's been much interest in those plans, fueled by a steady stream of rumors that the company will use GamesCom to unveil a cheaper, slimline model of the PlayStation 3. Speculation has been percolating about such a device since photos surfaced in May, and was apparently confirmed this morning by product listings on US retailers K-mart and Sears.

As for the rest of Sony's conference, reports out of the UK indicate the financially troubled electronics giant will use it to unveil its European PS3 video store. The television show and movie marketplace launched in North America last summer shortly after at Sony's 2008 Electronic Entertainment Expo presentation.

The Sony GamesCom press conference is at a club called E-work, about 10 minutes out of town.

[9:35] After a 30 minute delay, Sony has let people into the main hall. On the stage are letters that read "The game is just the start..."

A massive billboard directly outside the venue says "watch this space."

[9:35] The room appears to be a converted German dance club, complete with house music playing over the speakers. Welcome to Cologne.

[9:35] So far, the stage is completely free of people. No one is milling about doing last-minute AV fixes.

[9:37] PA Announcer: The conference will start shortly. Also giving out general housekeeping rules.

[9:38] Back to the dance music, but not the dancing

[9:38] The first two rows of the audience are reserved for Sony staff. A good mix of Japanese, European and American Sony employees.

[9:39] The stage is still very empty.

[9:41] No one seems to be handing out K-Mart flyers. Yet.

[9:41] Interesting Note: Outside the venue was a large billboard reading "Watch this space 18-08-09"

[9:41] Possible cover for a PS3 Slim billboard to be yanked down during the show?

[9:43] The wait continues. PA Announcer continues to assure everyone that the show will, in fact, begin shortly. Really. No foolin'.

[9:45] It's a good thing Sony has provided such a pleasing screensaver to run on the jumbotron during this wait. It really would make a great screensaver on the PS3.

[9:45] Security is now milling about in front of the stage. Good sign?

[9:46] The teleprompter at the rear of the room reads simply "GAMESCOM." No word yet whether opening speaker will speak or scream this first word of the show.

[9:48] Completely packed house settles as the music fades out and lights dim.

[9:49] Screen now playing opening montage: Modnation racing, God of War III, SOCOM PSP, PS Home, Ratchet and Clank, Heavy Rain flash by.

[9:49] SingStar store shown now.

[9:49] Showing clip of VidZone, music-video channel currently available on European PS3s.

[9:50] Video continues to show first-party Sony games with little in the way of new games or new footage.

[9:51] President and CEO of SCEE Andrew House in the, er, house. On the stage, to be more exact.

[9:51] He says the PlayStation brand prides itself on always changing and innovating.

[9:52] The original PlayStation revolutionized CD format in games, then the DVD format with the PS2. The Platform has recently done the same for social games with Buzz, SingStar, and EyeToy.

[9:53] House continues to stress importance of creativity in PlayStation games as part of its overall business strategy.

[9:53] Now, what everyone wants to hear--numbers!

[9:53] The PS2 has sold 51.8 million in Europe and 138.8 million globally.

[9:54] PSP sales continue to grow at healthy rate. 52.9 million globally, 17 million in Europe.

[9:56] The PS3 has a 10 million-unit install base in Europe, 23.7 million globally.

[9:56] The PlayStation Network has 27 million registrants worldwide, 11 million in Europe.

[9:57] The PlayStation Network has a 60 percent connection rate on the PS3, with 560 million content downloads to date globally.

11m SCEE customers have registered to PlayStation Network, 27m globally.

[9:58] House now talking about Home. Apparently the technically still-in-beta service has been greatly enhanced since its initial launch last year.

[9:58] 3.3 million people use Home in Europe.

[9:59] House says Sony continues to add new content to Home. On average, people spend an hour with it at a time.

[9:59] House announcing new Singstar gamespace for Home.

[10:00] Cue Singstar gamespace video. The virtual joint features a jukebox and (natch) a dancefloor.

[10:00] House also announces Audi-branded space in Home, for all the Top Gear-types out there.

[10:00] Audi screenshot appears to be futuristic city, no further details given.

[10:01] Home players can now carry cameras, shrink themselves, and...roll dice? Are there virtual alleyways to get a game of bones on?

[10:01] PlayStation Network to roll out new features with new navigation and aesthetics.

[10:02] There will be new themes, a new area called What's New, and quick links from the XrossMediaBar.

[10:03] House announcing new video features for the PlayStation 3: BBC iPlayer in the UK, Spain rtve, ABC in Australia.

[10:03] PSN users can next month use PSN voucher cards: 20 euro and 50 euro denominations offered initially.

[10:03] They will be available in all major retailers starting in September.

[10:04] House announcing VidZone coming to all Scandinavian countries.

[10:05] Now playing video for PSN video delivery service, which is new to Europe after being live in North America for over a year.

[10:06] Videos available to rent or purchase in HD or SD, just like in the US. Will launch in UK, Germany, France, and Spain in November. More launch dates for other countries to be announced later.

[10:06] Will support the PS3 AND the PSP.

[10:07] Viewers can use the same wallet system as the standard PSN.

[10:08] Digital Reader for the PSP to be released in December. Will start with a service called Digital Comics releasing new comics every month.

[10:08] Spider Man, X-Men, and Fantastic Four comics to be included in first round, with smaller publishers to be supported as well.

[10:09] Ira Rubenstein from Marvel Entertainment now taking the stage--rocking a leather Wolverine jacket.

[10:11] Rubenstein happy to be part of this agreement between Marvel and Sony, says Wolverine, Captain America, Iron Man, and the Hulk will be available.

[10:11] Rubenstein doesn't forget to plug Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2--due out in September y'all!

[10:12] Digital Comics video now being shown. Large roster of Marvel characters being shown, Civil War storyline pictured on PSP mockup.

[10:12] Sony will announce more Digital Comics publishers soon.

[10:12] House now talking about big new PSP games.

[10:13] LocoRoco Midnight Carnival (aka LocoRoco 2) and The Eye of Judgment PSP to be playable on the show floor.

[10:14] House talking about smaller "snackable" PSP games. Oh boy, digital Lunchables.

[10:14] The solution: "PSP Minis."

[10:14] PSP Minis will be new area on PSN store offering smaller, cheaper games with 100MB size limit. Yes, the rumors were true.

[10:14] Aqua Panic Oasis is the game shown on the mockup. Description shows "Lorem Ipsum" text used in design mockups.

[10:15] EA to release Sudoku and Tetris at launch, as they did on iTunes some time ago.

[10:15] PSP Minis service goes live October 1, and will have 15 games at launch, 50 by the end of year.

[10:17] House announcing new PSP-3000 colors for Europe: Turquoise green, violet, and pink.

[10:19] The green PSP will be bundled with LittleBigPlanet PSP, Violet with the Hannah Montana game (as was in the US last months), the pink with an unspecified game.

[10:19] People who preorder Gran Turismo 5 on PS3 between October 1-10 will receive a free download of Gran Turismo PSP.

[10:20] EyePet will retail at €49.99 ($70.60), including the PlayStation Eye camera and game.

[10:20] Cue a new trailer for Uncharted 2: Among Thieves. It's very slow-motion and dramatic set to orchestral music. Wonder what wisecrack Nathan Drake would offer in this situation...

[10:23] French-born Heavy Rain director and writer David Cage now taking the stage to discuss...Heavy Rain: The Origami Killer. Quelle surprise.

[10:25] He announces a new character Ethan Moore. Cage says the inspiration character comes from losing his own son at a store. But while Cage's son was found, Moore's son wasn't so lucky--his child was hit by a car and died.

[10:25] Moore is thus a distant and depressed character in the Heavy Rain story. Can you blame him?

[10:27] Felling tremendous guilt and remorse, Moore decides to go after Origami Killer after reading about his murders in the newspaper.

[10:28] Cage touting that all the footage he is showing is in-game, leaves stage to applause.

[10:29] House greets the crown once more.

[10:29] Newsflash: New PS3 motion-sensing controller details will be announced at the Tokyo Game Show next month.

[10:30] Cue motion controller tech demo footage of archery game, painting game, pinata-smashing simulator.

[10:33] Motion sensing controller will work with PS Eye camera. Haircut simulation shown as the fruit of this union.

[10:33] One last guest to take the stage.

[10:33] It's Kaz Hirai, President of Sony Computer Entertainment.

[10:33] Kaz talking about success of this year's E3, plugs Tokyo Game Show.

[10:34] Kaz saying GamesCom shows how the European market has grown so much.

[10:34] Kaz doesn't want to beat around the bush...

[10:34] Kaz announces new "shape and form" of PlayStation....

[10:34] Kaz reveals new PS3 Slim--surprise?

[10:34] PS3 slim available first week of September worldwide.

[10:34] Noticeably thinner, appears just as tall.

[10:35] Top has a matte finish--as shown in the leaked photos in May--sides are glossy.

[10:35] Will be 120GB, will retail for $299 in North America, €299 in the EU, and ¥29,980 in Japan.

[10:36] That price will also apply to ALL current 80GB PS3s starting tomorrow.

[10:36] The PS3 Slim is 32 percent smaller, 36 percent lighter, and has 34 percent less power consumption than the current model. It will have all the same features and functionality as the current PS3.

[10:36] Kaz exits to roaring applause.

[10:36] House returns to stage, says new price and model will continue to drive momentum to new levels.

[10:36] Release date will vary by country, but will be first week of September internationally.

[10:37] House now summarizing press conference.

[10:37] House thanks the visitors for attending.

[10:37] Conference has concluded--that's all folks!
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 02:08 PM
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Are there pics in the link? Blocked at work.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 02:12 PM
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These are only pics related to the PS3 from the press conference.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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I've been dragging my feet on getting a PS3 and my procrastination has paid off.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 03:38 PM
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I've been dragging my feet on getting a PS3 and my procrastination has paid off.
+1 Me too. Been waiting for the slim for a while now. It's coming out a lot earlier than I thought too which is great. I can go return the blu ray player I bought 3 weeks ago and wait for this to come out in a couple weeks.
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 03:56 PM
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bastards. now my ps3 seems "old"
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 03:57 PM
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hmmm interesting a friend just said something about this too
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wackjum
i've been dragging my feet on getting a ps3 and my procrastination has paid off.
this!
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 06:52 PM
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time for me to sell my 80gb PS3 to someone who is oblivious to this transformation!

BTW, why the HELL can't this thing have Netflix streaming!?!
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 10:41 PM
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pictures galore at engadget

http://www.engadget.com/photos/plays...-and-hands-on/
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Old Aug 18, 2009 | 11:29 PM
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meh still love my 60GB
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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 12:39 AM
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sweet now PS3's can overheat like 360's I'll take a slim in a fat box. I mean why is a tiny console important?

When we've obviously all seen what happens when you put lots of power in a tight poorly ventilated box. That's the reason my 360 looks like it has a supercharged 454 with cowl induction and I stick to big giant towers for PC's. btw all my 360's fish died in the move so sad. they loved life and gaming. now 50% of you are really confused
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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 12:44 AM
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i remember seeing that picture.

any new pics?
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certified fresh pics! I haven't been able to invest in prettying it up more since I have to watch this little guy now. I'm lucky I get the night shift, lots of video games, posting and diapers. The 360 has been completely maintenance free, except for adding water once every two weeks.



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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 02:30 AM
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I wish they would just work on some good games
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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 03:58 AM
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Woah, nice mod to the 360.
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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 07:18 AM
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What do the 360 and baby have in common? You have to feed them both water. That's wack but necessary.

Procrastinators: You could've gotten a PS3 for $300 last year when Wal Mart gave away the $100 gift cards with a purchase of one. Yeah technically you still spend $400 but I got $100 worth of free groceries. You always gotta eat.

And not to hate on the new one, but I like the glossy look of my PS3. The top part of the slim looks like cheap plastic. My PS3 is practically on the ground in my home theater setup so you see the top mostly.
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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 08:34 AM
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And not to hate on the new one, but I like the glossy look of my PS3.
Plus, it matches my TV and (eventually) my speakers, which is (will be) piano black.
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nice.

still playing with the 40gb.
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can they please just release a vaio that plays ps3 games...hdmi out and bluetooth controllers of course
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Can someone please get on Polyphony's case to release Gran Turismo already?
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Originally Posted by Dem1K
time for me to sell my 80gb PS3 to someone who is oblivious to this transformation!

BTW, why the HELL can't this thing have Netflix streaming!?!
Originally Posted by Myxomatosis
sweet now PS3's can overheat like 360's I'll take a slim in a fat box. I mean why is a tiny console important?

When we've obviously all seen what happens when you put lots of power in a tight poorly ventilated box. That's the reason my 360 looks like it has a supercharged 454 with cowl induction and I stick to big giant towers for PC's. btw all my 360's fish died in the move so sad. they loved life and gaming. now 50% of you are really confused
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I wish they would just work on some good games
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can they please just release a vaio that plays ps3 games...hdmi out and bluetooth controllers of course
Originally Posted by uzzmaan
Can someone please get on Polyphony's case to release Gran Turismo already?
at this thread becoming sony/ps3 ranting.
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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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Fix the PSN!!!! /addtorants
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Sold my 40g PS3 a few months ago, because of finacial reasons. Now I'm working agian, and this couldn't have came at a better time!

Still contemplating if I should get it(the Slim, of course!), or wait until when God of War 3 comes out.

I got me a modded 360, so the PS3 would be for PS exclusive games only.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 07:06 AM
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^Then wait unless you're hard up to see blu rays. However, around Xmas time, some stores will put up specials where you get a PS3 and get _______ free.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 01:08 PM
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 04:46 PM
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The 360 has been completely maintenance free, except for adding water once every two weeks.
Damn, I've had the 360 since summer of 2006 and have not had a single issue with it. Then again it's usually not on long enough to overheat. It's on longer when I watch movies then when I play games...
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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sick, i wonder how the heating issues will be. Hopefully not too bad, my xbox hasn't ever over heated on me.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 06:40 PM
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doesn't it basically depend on usage?
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 06:57 PM
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My PS3 has never overheated, I assume the new Slim has better electronics that result in less heat being put out to begin with.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 07:00 PM
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10312144-1.html

Sony says that to achieve the new form factor, the internal design architecture of the new PS3 system has been completely redesigned--"from the main semiconductors and power supply unit to the cooling mechanism."

The PS3 Slim is powered by a new 45nm version of the Cell processor, which runs at the same speed as the 60nm processor in the "old" PS3 but is smaller and more energy efficient. According to company reps, power consumption for the Slim has also been cut to two-thirds, "helping to reduce fan noise," which is important.
Like the 80GB and 160GB models, the 120GB PS3 Slim has built-in Wi-Fi and two USB ports (sorry, Sony didn't add IR or backwards compatibility for PS2 games). You can also upgrade/replace the hard drive without voiding the warranty, though Sony has moved the hard drive from the side of the unit to the front for "easier access." (To remove the hard drive, you simply unscrew two screws). The one feature missing from the Slim is the ability to install another operating system (i.e., Linux)--Sony is doing away with that feature.
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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 12:52 AM
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Damn, I've had the 360 since summer of 2006 and have not had a single issue with it. Then again it's usually not on long enough to overheat. It's on longer when I watch movies then when I play games...
what can I say, I treated mine well, did everything correctly and it broke and than the replacement broke. The thing is if you never had problems and you play it a lot and have had it a long time, you're probably fine, however so many were messed up and more often than not they just fixed somebody elses 360 and sent you that. So guess what, it'll break since it already did once. Not to mention microsoft wasn't fixing them properly.
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I mention the heat issues one because of the problems the 360's have(it was heat related) and the problems laptops have with over heating. There's a very good chance the slim ps3 will be fine, but like I said why not just put the new components in the same box.

Because people want to have the more advanced system, even if advanced means slightly smaller. The new components might be able to just handle the heat within much tighter tolerances than if they put the better chip sets in the same old package, but they'd never sell......To some extent I see it as a fashion statement and much like the cellphone market, it's neat but not needed. A ps4 would be a different story
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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 01:02 AM
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Damn, I've had the 360 since summer of 2006 and have not had a single issue with it. Then again it's usually not on long enough to overheat. It's on longer when I watch movies then when I play games...

I forgot to address one of your comments. When trying to make a bullet proof 360 I did a lot of experiments with temperature of the chips, heatsinks and exhaust. It turned out within 15min. of being on the 360 gets to it's maximum temperature. The only time it could cool down was if you went to the dashboard, otherwise it didn't matter. In fact after my second broke, I actually had to keep it on all the time or the board would cool and break the solder joints, so I'd leave it on 24/7, it worked for about 2 months and than I went psycho with the cooling mods. The main problem was inferior thermal paste and bad heat sink clamps. The paste would melt at too low a temperature and allow the chips to heat up beyond spec once this happened the chip clamps would cause the board to warp and lose solder connections. This is why the replacements 360's usually went bad too since the board was already warped once and they kept using the same damn clamps.

I dont have much money and knew microsoft would just piss me off more so I fixed and properly and than overdid my cooling to make sure I'd never fry the board. There more than you'd ever want to know about the red ring of death.

For any perspective buyers the new chip set supposedly is much much better than the falcon chip set that mine has, but the red ring has occured in all 3 or 4(?) generations of chip sets.

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