what are you talking about, the 360 had no problems. ;p

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19878

 

You're right. Dunno what I meant with the shootingselvesinfoot comment. I think my main point was that its bad for a developer to "pull out" of doing an online option for a game such as this.

 

But the question is why take it out of a game that it already exists in?

Is a port to the PS3 that difficult?

Or is there an issue with the PS3 online capabilities?

 

It's not all about graphics. Processing power can affect the visual effects, how many items are displayed on a screen, and so on. So graphically they may be very close, but presentation from one to the other can vary b/c of this. But I do agree with you on the generalization... probably not a huge deal.


1080p may be worthless to most now (and I agree), however, having it to me is huge. In addition, all electronic stores are pretty much clearing out their old 720p/1080i TVs since 1080p sets are becoming the norm. So most TV sales now are 1080p which the PS3 will support. So yes, people who puchased a TV in the past and didn't get 1080p will not give a rats ass, however, anyone who buys a TV going forward will likely be getting a TV with 1080p support, and the PS3 supports it out of the box. Additionally I'll take HDMI connectivity over component connectivity anyday, 1080p or 720p. Just having it makes the system future proof which is an advantage IMO.


True on the first statement and it's not a huge deal to me, however, I am excited to have it. I'll probably end up with both, so getting the BluRay with the PS3 works out well. In the future both will be upstaged by OnDemand... I agree, but we're years away from that. Right now through cable I get hundreds of OnDemand movies... and you're lucky if 6-12 are available via the OnDemand-HD function.

Having the ability to get movies in BluRay and play them back is a nice perk to me. Now, could Sony have gone the MS route and not included the player only to have it offered later as an add-on (thus dropping the price of the system itself), sure, but they didn't, and I'll gladly take my BluRay player with my PS3.

Guess this is more of a personal preference. I personally could care less about rumbling. As long as the controller is comfortable, has good range, and works well, I'm happy.


Yes, you've been playing a few good games for the last year. So you spent between $350-$600 depending on your setup to play a couple of good games over the last year. However, 95% of the 360's lineup until recently has been shit. Read the responses in this topic, or go to other forums... many people are not happy with their 360 b/c they spent all of this money a year ago and the quality of games has been shit. Even the MS fan boys are asking why it's taken so long for the good games to come out. The answer is obvious, however, what's done is done and 360 owners should be happy the good stuff is finally coming.



Nope, doesn't seem like they're rushing it at all. Seems like they're tweaking it further to give them a larger advantage over MS when they do launch... but I don't see any signs that they're rushing it. If they released it when they originally planned to in spring 2006, it would have been a rush. All they're doing now is fine tuning little things and preparing it for launch.

As for issues, I've purchased pretty much every system except for the Gamecube and 360 dating back to the Genesis and SNES at launch, and I've never ever had a problem. In fact, I still own pretty much every system and they all still work... even over a decade later. Will there be some problems? I'm sure there will be... but I don't think it will be the fiasco MS had to deal with at launch. From my personal experiences I'm not expecting any problems... so if that bridge is deeded and you're offering it at a fair price... we may need to talk

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I'm sure there's a difference with writing it to XBOX Live and writing it to the PS3 online system. Why they took it out... who knows... and honestly, who cares? I downloaded the free demo of the game on XBOX Live and deleted it 15 minutes later.

Now, if they start announcing that EA Sports is removing all online play from the PS3, then I'd start to worry (and wouldn't' buy a PS3).

 

But that's what I don't get... you know all of the important facts:

1) Specs have been out for months
2) Main features have been out for months
3) Pricing has been out for months
4) Expected launch titles have been out for months
5) Game prices have been out for months

So the only rumors floating around are very minor things... possible price cuts is the only one I can think of at this point that is truly up in the air. My local game stores have had prices on these games for months... and they haven't changed.. so not sure what the big deal is there. The rumble feature is something new, but it's not a rumor, they decided not to do it for reasons mentioned in the article.

Until the product is released in 2 months it's technically still under development... so of course minor things may change as they tweak the system to give them whatever advantage they can. Additionally, as I said before... who's to say that these changes (such as rumble and HDMI support) haven't been planned for some time, but only now are they deciding to release the info after they did their due diligance (sp?) internally. Not sure I see the big deal.

Also, if I remember correctly the XBOX and PS2 were launched around the same time... and I'm also remembering a bunch of different price announcements WEEKS before they actually launched. So again, not sure I see the big deal about pricing rumors this far out from the launch.

 

aaaaannnnyyyyywayyyss, i call for an end to this bitter debate, at least for a bit.

Now that the less expensive PS3 will have HDMI support, what are the differences between the two different versions? What do you get for an extra $100, if that is what it ends up being? I was originally gearing for the more expensive version due to the HDMI.

I also heard that the more expensive version will have 2 HDMI ports. What will people do with two ports?

 

99% of the people will do nothing. It is for "super letterbox" display on side-by-side HDTVs.

 

Who's bitter? I'm not and judging by Silver's replies... he's not either. Just a discussion

Anyway, the biggest difference will be the hard drives. The more expensive one will have a 60gb while the lower one will have the 20gb. I was with you... gearing up for the more expensive version to get HDMI support, but now I may not have to... which is pretty sweet.

As for the two HDMI ports, I haven't seen anything about that... but yes, Silver is right, it will be useless for pretty much 99% of the people out there unless someone has a sweet dual HDTV theater setup

 

do both have wifi? or is that only in the more expensive version?

 

Not 100% sure, which is why I didn't comment. Not sure if they're going to do it like the 360 where you just add it on or not. I have the house networked, so that won't effect me... but good question.

 

^ OK, just found it...

$599 version has ethernet, wi-fi, 60gb HD, and only one HDMI port (when the system was first announced at E3 2005 it had two HDMI ports, but as of E3 2006 through current, only one)

$499 version has ethernet only, 20gb HD, and one HDMI port.

 

yeah, i don't know if that is worth the extra $100

 

^ I'll have to see how I'm feeling come launch. $100 for 40gb extra and wi-fi may be worth it... if not for the wi-fi for the extra storage space since I won't mod my system. We'll see how I feel when I'm actually at the store to buy one

 

See if you knew more details about the system and games, then you could make that decision now, as opposed to launch day.

 

nice try... but not the same thing considering I DO know everything already as far as what is included with each system... just not sure if I want to buy the more expensive system or not. Even if there are price drops there will still be two systems at two different price points, so a decision will still need to be made. Knowing me I'll end up with the more expensive system like I did with the 360.

 

OK, so I just got off the phone with EB Games regarding a preorder. The deal is I preorder a game and have the option of preordering the console when the time comes. $500 for the base, $600 for the 60 GB + HDMI.

I was not planning on doing this, but I am at college and my brother really misses me. I have some extra cash and he wants a Nintendo DS (yeah bullshit, I'll get him this thing. Besides, this thing is cool as hell and would set me up for the new Gran Turismo).

My family owns an HD capable TV (forgot the technical term for it; it's a Sony that gets HD only when an HD receiver is connected). First off, I am lower prices here, so are EBXs prices going to go down as well? Also, should I spend the $100 more for the extra memory + HDMI capability?

Can't wait to see the look on his face when he gets this. I was hoping for Christmas, but I am planning on giving him an "I.O.U." or "Redeem this for a FREE PS3!" card. I remember the pictures my parents took of me when they bought me a brand new Playstation. I was going absolutely crazy. I think it's time I return the favour

 

Totally - future thinking ftw. Remember PS has a long shelf life. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't games still being developed for PSone???

 

Thought i'd try to get cha.

I got the expensive 360 because it is honestly stupid to get the cheaper one. A wireless controller and a hard drive come out to an extra 150 bucks. So if you got the cheap one and added those two items your 50 bucks over the price of the premium system.

Assuming the "cheaper" PS3 launches at 420.00. Are the only differences gonna be the size of the hard drives? There has got to be more different to justify spending the extra money on the more expensive system. I mean, they cant just sell the 60 gig hard drive for 180 bucks, could they?

 

what do you think you'll use the storage space for?

 

Wi-Fi is not really a big deal to me. I still prefer being wired, especially playing games.

 

Have you ready any of the thread? Most of your questions have been answered. Just in case.. here goes' again..

1) Right now, no price drop in the US... so $499 and $599 is what it will be at launch as far as we know now. Price will be the same at every retail store.

2) Both versions will have HDMI, so you will not need to spend more for that. Spending the extra $100 gives you 40gb more of HD space and WiFi.

 

And MemoryStick/SD/CompactFlash compatibility.

 

LOL.. almost did

I honestly got the higher 360 b/c of two things... HDTV support out of the box and the wireless controller. That was really it. Bigger HD was a perk .

Right now looks like the PS3 prices are staying the same for the US ($499 and $599). If they do decide to drop the price, I'd expect both prices to fall. Don't want to rob Peter to pay Paul... which is pretty much what would happen if they dropped the price of one and not the other for the exact reasons you mentioned. The more expensive unit has the larger hard drive and WiFi built in. Seems like that's about it.

 

Literally just read that 1 minute ago and coming to edit my post. That was weird...

 

Depends what I end up doing with the 360. If I use the 360 as my media center, then I won't need the bigger HD on the PS3.

I also may set the 360 up in the bonus room on the 720p TV, and have the PS3 downstairs in the great room on a 1080p set... so if I do that, I may setup both as media centers which means I'd get the PS3 with the larger HD. We'll see.

 

Hopefully modding the PS3 will be something fairly easy (as to say add a Larger HD of our own)??



Oh and ill be buying the larger ps3 when it comes out. (already saved and cleared purchase with teh GF)

 

You would think the network details would have been finalized moths ago...



According to a Finnish website, the PS3 version of Virtua Tennis 3 will not feature an online mode. Apparently, Producer Mie Kumagai from Sega said that Sony has not delivered the necessary information about their online network to make coding the online mode possible. Rumor mill for now, but since this exaclty scenario happened with Tony Hawk's Project 8 as well, we believe it.

http://www.gamersreports.com/news/3970

 

that's what I'm talking about with specs. Not hardware specs, but how is their online going to work? Is it something put together by sony similar to xbox live or another free-for-all like ps2? how is the user interface going to work? How many systems are expected to fail of the launch batch?

keep in mind the online components of the Wii are also technically not completely released, but from some leaked info it appears it will be similar to xbox live.

 

ok sold! wi-fi + 40 GB + compatable with my parents' camera

 

Not sure why you guys haven't heard anything ... I've known about the network for months, as have many, many others. And unless something changes (which is possible depending on costs) it will be free to play online. Gamespot has had pretty much all of this info and more on their site since E3 2005, which is why I can't understand why so many people claim everything is secret and nothing is finalized when the info has been out for a very long time. Also not sure why the developers aren't aware of this. All of the EA Sports games planned for or around launch have online functionality and they don't have any problems. Even the GT:HD game is being designed around online play, and has screenshots of online menus... so not sure why Sega can't get their act together

From Gamespot's PS3 section (which also gets updated every time something changes, so it's always current):

The network will be similar to Microsoft's Xbox Live service and will provide community features such as personal login accounts, friends lists, avatars, matchmaking, and communication options, including instant messaging, as well as voice and video chat. The free basic service will include community features and online multiplayer gameplay. Xbox Live Silver, Microsoft's free basic service, provides community options, too, but Silver-level subscribers can only play massively multiplayer games online. Players must upgrade to a paid Xbox Live Gold service subscription to access online multiplayer gameplay for non-MMO games.

Sony's service will also offer Xbox Marketplace-like download functionality, and developers will be able to integrate shops directly into games, letting players buy items from within the game experience. Sony hasn't confirmed whether or not games will be available for download, but there won't be any hardware hurdles, as the PS3 will be able to play games directly from the system's hard-disk drive. In addition to microtransactions, Sony has suggested that the commerce service can also handle subscriptions. Sony plans to let game developers connect and run their own game servers on the network. Letting game companies charge subscription fees could help defray the cost of maintaining servers.


From what I read Sony's goal is to have one less system fail in the launch batch compared to MS... just so they can say they had a better launch


Funny how no one seems to complain about Nintendo's secrecy. Guess the MS fans aren't as threatened by the Wii as they are the PS3

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In theory Sony's network sounds good, but the problem that at least I am referring to is that the developers (not just Sega) are complaining about not having the specs so that they can make their games compatible.


Developer Neversoft has dropped online play from the PlayStation 3 version of Tony Hawk's Project 8, a key third-party launch title for Sony's next-gen console.

The developer has only recently received development kits for the PlayStation 3 and has not had time to implement online play ahead of the consoles' US and Japanese launch in November, according to an article on IGN.

"Neversoft is confident the PS3 version of the game will ship at launch in November, but it still hasn't received all of the software libraries and has no indication of how the online components will work on PS3, so it's not offering them," detailed the report.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=67694


To me that is just more evidence that Sony is rushing this and that to me raises the likelyhood of issues with the PS3 down the road, especially given Sony's recent quality issues

 

^ I hear ya... but it's just odd that those two games are the only two that are having problems with developing to the online system. Especially when some of the other ones with large launch and pre-Christmas titles like EA and Polyphony above aren't having issues. Makes you wonder if maybe Sony is playing favorites with some developers... . giving some the specs and not others?

Who knows. As long as I get my EA Sports games and GT with online play, I'm a happy guy Plus, I'm still using my launch day PS2... as are at least half a dozen of my friends... so at least thus far, I've never had a problem with Sony. Combine that with the fact that I'm not buying until spring and I'm confident I won't have any issues.

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This is another thing that scares me with the PS3. I bought a release day PS2 (waited in line for 6 hours and the whole shabang). That PS2 went out about 2 years later, which forced me to buy a new one.

I dont want to spend the 600 bucks on a PS3 and have to buy another later down the road...

 

don't buy one then

 

more evidence that ppl are really just trying to bring PS3 down. I mean honestly I think they are just making sheit up.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19982

 

Weren't the Japanese prices also going to come in lower until last week's announcement?

With Sony hemoraging money they can only make a profit with perhipials/accessories and games. I don't think it would be out of the question for Sony to raise the prices of their games here too.

 

But but but, GTHD.......

 

hahaha... seriously though I have a feeling that NONE of us will have a PS3 when it comes out... I think it will be VERY hard to get. Like crazy hard to get.

 

I wont wait in line again. Ill wait for a couple months till they work out bugs and till the initial mad release rush is over....
I refuse to wait in line, "just to be one of the first to have it"....
I bet we will be able to find JB in line!