General Car Talk Discussion Thread
08-15-2014, 10:51 AM
#9801
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
08-15-2014, 11:27 AM
#9802
Suzuka Master
I'll see what I end up doing, not making any moves yet.
Anyway..
Morgan Stanley is expecting the Model X to outperform the Model S in terms of sales. Thats a pretty big statement. I'm curious how this will do against other high end SUVs. Normally I'd think, if you want an SUV, you can take it for road trips and such. Go camping, etc. But if you have a model X you would need to think twice. Now I dunno if this is how the high end SUV market people think. If they do then the Model X may not do so well, but if they dont and they mainly want a car with a lot of room with luxury, the model X will probably be the best selling high end SUV.
My uncle who has the Model S has a deposit on the Model X to replace his Sienna. He only has the Sienna for when his family is in town, since they have grand kids now, they needed a bigger car. So the Model X will do him good.
Anyway..
Morgan Stanley is expecting the Model X to outperform the Model S in terms of sales. Thats a pretty big statement. I'm curious how this will do against other high end SUVs. Normally I'd think, if you want an SUV, you can take it for road trips and such. Go camping, etc. But if you have a model X you would need to think twice. Now I dunno if this is how the high end SUV market people think. If they do then the Model X may not do so well, but if they dont and they mainly want a car with a lot of room with luxury, the model X will probably be the best selling high end SUV.
My uncle who has the Model S has a deposit on the Model X to replace his Sienna. He only has the Sienna for when his family is in town, since they have grand kids now, they needed a bigger car. So the Model X will do him good.
08-15-2014, 11:57 AM
#9803
Fahrvergnügen'd
08-15-2014, 12:02 PM
#9804
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
also I think with higher-end SUV's costing so much already, it's not as tough a sell
08-15-2014, 12:15 PM
#9805
2024 Honda Civic Type R
I think it definitely helped.
08-15-2014, 12:29 PM
#9807
2024 Honda Civic Type R
Keep Alive Memory.
http://www.accessecu.com/support/doc...UserManual.pdf
http://www.focusst.org/forum/cobb-tu...reset-kam.html
Originally Posted by Accessport User Manual
Reset KAM
Reset keep alive memory (KAM). More specifically this resets LTFT (Long Term Fuel Trim) and ETC (Electronic Throttle Control) learning. This feature is handy as it allows you to reset adaptive learning when making certain hardware changes, repairs, or fuel changes.
Reset keep alive memory (KAM). More specifically this resets LTFT (Long Term Fuel Trim) and ETC (Electronic Throttle Control) learning. This feature is handy as it allows you to reset adaptive learning when making certain hardware changes, repairs, or fuel changes.
http://www.focusst.org/forum/cobb-tu...reset-kam.html
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08-15-2014, 01:23 PM
#9810
Ex-OEM King
I'll see what I end up doing, not making any moves yet.
Anyway..
Morgan Stanley is expecting the Model X to outperform the Model S in terms of sales. Thats a pretty big statement. I'm curious how this will do against other high end SUVs. Normally I'd think, if you want an SUV, you can take it for road trips and such. Go camping, etc. But if you have a model X you would need to think twice. Now I dunno if this is how the high end SUV market people think. If they do then the Model X may not do so well, but if they dont and they mainly want a car with a lot of room with luxury, the model X will probably be the best selling high end SUV.
My uncle who has the Model S has a deposit on the Model X to replace his Sienna. He only has the Sienna for when his family is in town, since they have grand kids now, they needed a bigger car. So the Model X will do him good.
Anyway..
Morgan Stanley is expecting the Model X to outperform the Model S in terms of sales. Thats a pretty big statement. I'm curious how this will do against other high end SUVs. Normally I'd think, if you want an SUV, you can take it for road trips and such. Go camping, etc. But if you have a model X you would need to think twice. Now I dunno if this is how the high end SUV market people think. If they do then the Model X may not do so well, but if they dont and they mainly want a car with a lot of room with luxury, the model X will probably be the best selling high end SUV.
My uncle who has the Model S has a deposit on the Model X to replace his Sienna. He only has the Sienna for when his family is in town, since they have grand kids now, they needed a bigger car. So the Model X will do him good.
I'm guessing it'll outsell the Model S easily simply because it does so much better for economy vs any other mid size SUV and doesn't cost a whole lot more than most upmarket mid size SUVs. With the model S, you can get other cars that offer high fuel economy and a premium interior for a lot less (example BMW 328d, Audi TDI, etc), they just don't come with the performance.
08-15-2014, 01:40 PM
#9811
Race Director
iTrader: (7)
She feels like she needs to get rid of it before something goes wrong and while it's worth something. I told her nothing will go wrong as long as we keep maintaining it the way we do.
08-15-2014, 01:50 PM
#9812
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
Actually, it's interesting. Back in the middle of June I started see a string of lower MPG tanks. 26.0, 26.1, 24.5, 28.7 (better), 23.8 (I think my all-time worst), and 25.1. After that last one, I did some reading and decided to reset my KAM with the AccessPORT. After I did that, my MPG went to 27.9, 29.6, 26.8, and now 29.4.
I think it definitely helped.
I think it definitely helped.
And it DID increase my MPG on MS3 by a lot, like A LOT.
It was her grandmother's car. She wants something "younger." But the Avalon has been perfect. It's had zero issues. All it needs is brakes as the pedal is feeling a little soft.
She feels like she needs to get rid of it before something goes wrong and while it's worth something. I told her nothing will go wrong as long as we keep maintaining it the way we do.
She feels like she needs to get rid of it before something goes wrong and while it's worth something. I told her nothing will go wrong as long as we keep maintaining it the way we do.
08-15-2014, 02:02 PM
#9813
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
lol @ thinking the Avalon is going to crap out. Tell her to drive it for the rest of her life, save ~$400/mo that she would have put into a new/er car + insurance.
08-15-2014, 02:33 PM
#9815
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To be fair, the Optima is sort of a boat to drive as well. Even as far as family sedans are concerned.
08-15-2014, 02:39 PM
#9817
Team Owner
Trust me ( i had an Avalon as my first hand down car)
nothing is as bad as driving an Avalon (maybe town car)
soft brake + soft suspension = scary when you brake
soft suspension + turning + bench seat = you can't even call that bodyroll anymore. It is more like a Car-roll
soft suspension + uneven pavement on the FWY at 80mph = you will get motion sickness similar to when you are on a small fishing boat
did i mention the braking was scary?
nothing is as bad as driving an Avalon (maybe town car)
soft brake + soft suspension = scary when you brake
soft suspension + turning + bench seat = you can't even call that bodyroll anymore. It is more like a Car-roll
soft suspension + uneven pavement on the FWY at 80mph = you will get motion sickness similar to when you are on a small fishing boat
did i mention the braking was scary?
08-15-2014, 02:39 PM
#9818
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
08-15-2014, 02:40 PM
#9819
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Trust me ( i had an Avalon as my first hand down car)
nothing is as bad as driving an Avalon (maybe town car)
soft brake + soft suspension = scary when you brake
soft suspension + turning + bench seat = you can't even call that bodyroll anymore. It is more like a Car-roll
soft suspension + uneven pavement on the FWY at 80mph = feels like flying
did i mention the braking was scary?
nothing is as bad as driving an Avalon (maybe town car)
soft brake + soft suspension = scary when you brake
soft suspension + turning + bench seat = you can't even call that bodyroll anymore. It is more like a Car-roll
soft suspension + uneven pavement on the FWY at 80mph = feels like flying
did i mention the braking was scary?
I hit a dip in the road in an Avalon.. almost lost my shit.
08-15-2014, 02:42 PM
#9820
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
As long as you don't crash it.. it'll run forever.
Ensure the brake fluid is changed regularly and get the master cyl and brake booster checked periodically..
Ensure the brake fluid is changed regularly and get the master cyl and brake booster checked periodically..
Last edited by Majofo; 08-15-2014 at 02:51 PM.
08-15-2014, 02:51 PM
#9821
Team Owner
That is one of the few cars that i wished it would break faster so i could get a different car.
it was so bad that i had not considered ANY Toyota cars since 1998.
Normally i slow down at the railroad track because either my car is too low or the dip is too deep. However, in Avalon it was because the car will feel like it is launching into the space.
it was so bad that i had not considered ANY Toyota cars since 1998.
Normally i slow down at the railroad track because either my car is too low or the dip is too deep. However, in Avalon it was because the car will feel like it is launching into the space.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 08-15-2014 at 02:56 PM.
08-15-2014, 02:58 PM
#9822
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
I had a 94 Camry that was super fucking fun.. especially when it decided brakes were appropriate or nah.
Like.. hey Camry.. the lights red, now would be a good time to stop.. pumps the fuck out of the brake.. soft to the floor.. last second whiplash, tire and pad smoke billowing in a cloud 30 feet in front of me.. stopped right at the line. fantastic.
The family Avalon didn't have brakes that bad, but spongy doesn't even describe the pedal nor soft desrcibe the suspension.
I could sit on the front end and it would dip.. no not fat ass.
Like.. hey Camry.. the lights red, now would be a good time to stop.. pumps the fuck out of the brake.. soft to the floor.. last second whiplash, tire and pad smoke billowing in a cloud 30 feet in front of me.. stopped right at the line. fantastic.
The family Avalon didn't have brakes that bad, but spongy doesn't even describe the pedal nor soft desrcibe the suspension.
I could sit on the front end and it would dip.. no not fat ass.
08-15-2014, 03:00 PM
#9823
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Both cars still in the family.. running well. Drove the Camry a couple years back. I had to change the radiator and flushed the transmission but it still ran smooth. I tap the brake once in a while out of paranoia.
08-15-2014, 03:04 PM
#9824
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
we had a 94 Camry too. it had a really nice stereo, for stock.
got a ticket in it once.
something stupid like a 54 in a 45.
other than that it was pretty boring.
got a ticket in it once.
something stupid like a 54 in a 45.
other than that it was pretty boring.
08-15-2014, 03:16 PM
#9825
Team Owner
i had the 97 Avalon XLS... it was pretty expensive at the time $30k in 1997
Other than being reliable, everything that i can recall about that car were all negatives.
Other than being reliable, everything that i can recall about that car were all negatives.
08-15-2014, 03:18 PM
#9826
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
You'll die before it dies.
:carrie:
08-15-2014, 03:23 PM
#9827
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Avalon's were super expensive. You could buy an ES300 or SC300 for near the same money. 
08-15-2014, 03:24 PM
#9828
Team Owner
Probably i think there was a common problem for all Toyota's V6 at that time.
There will be a shit load of blue smokes coming out of the exhaust when you start the engine and you can turn on the engine but the moment you let go the key, it will die.
I had those in my Avalon but did not bother to fix it...magically it healed itself after a few months.
There will be a shit load of blue smokes coming out of the exhaust when you start the engine and you can turn on the engine but the moment you let go the key, it will die.
I had those in my Avalon but did not bother to fix it...magically it healed itself after a few months.
08-15-2014, 03:36 PM
#9829
Ex-OEM King
They are designed to be comfortable and boring but run forever. They do all those things quite well. I didn't think the Avalon suspension was that bad but could be bad springs/shocks/both that are causing the crappy ride. In any case, keeping the grandma car and saving the cash for something better than an Optima in the future would be what I'd do. An 07 Avalon with 70k miles is probably worth right around ~$10k. Is that really worth it to you to pay $30k to save $3-4k in resale value in the next 5 years?
If you want halfway engaging and run forever, buy an Accord.
If you want halfway engaging and run forever, buy an Accord.
08-15-2014, 04:49 PM
#9830
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
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08-15-2014, 05:15 PM
#9831
Suzuka Master
There is one feature on the current avalon that needs to move throughout the rest of the industry. Wireless charger mat for phones in one of the compartments.
08-15-2014, 05:31 PM
#9832
Moderator
iTrader: (3)
The Lexus NX will have a wireless charger in the center console.
08-15-2014, 05:37 PM
#9833
Suzuka Master
ohh nice!
But I think this placement is better because you have access to your phone without opening it up. I guess it doesnt look as luxurious though. I also like how they use an iPhone that doesnt have a wireless charging case on it even..
But I think this placement is better because you have access to your phone without opening it up. I guess it doesnt look as luxurious though. I also like how they use an iPhone that doesnt have a wireless charging case on it even..
08-15-2014, 05:40 PM
#9834
Team Owner
now you have your own dual stacked screens.
08-15-2014, 06:00 PM
#9835
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
damn, hot model. (not official, this was done by an independent Italian designer)
http://hiconsumption.com/2014/08/fer...ercar-concept/
http://hiconsumption.com/2014/08/fer...ercar-concept/
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Ferrari F80 Supercar Concept
Most automotive enthusiasts are always looking for the next big thing, and Italian designer Adriano Raeli is no exception. Although Ferrari debuted their LaFerrari not too long ago, Raeli thought it was due time to pull the curtain back on his Ferrari F80 Supercar.
Sure it’s nothing more than a concept, but the idea is certainly one worth taking a look at. The vehicle will be powered by a hybrid drivetrain that pairs a KERS system with a combustion engine to produce 1,200 horsepower. While this sounds pretty awesome, the manner in which it’s handled might ruffle more than a few feathers. The Art Center College of Design graduate has ditched the iconic V12 in favor of a 900 horsepower twin-turbo V8 setup (paired with the 300 horsepower KERS system). The vehicle’s proposed weight of 1,763 pounds means the 2-seater would sprint to 62 mph in just 2.2 seconds with a top speed of 310 miles per hour. While many of us would have liked to see this thing powered by a naturally aspirated V12 engine, it’s worth noting that the legendary Ferrari F40 was also powered by the same twin-turbocharged V8 power plant. Not to mention this thing is drop dead gorgeous.
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Ferrari F80 Supercar Concept
Most automotive enthusiasts are always looking for the next big thing, and Italian designer Adriano Raeli is no exception. Although Ferrari debuted their LaFerrari not too long ago, Raeli thought it was due time to pull the curtain back on his Ferrari F80 Supercar.
Sure it’s nothing more than a concept, but the idea is certainly one worth taking a look at. The vehicle will be powered by a hybrid drivetrain that pairs a KERS system with a combustion engine to produce 1,200 horsepower. While this sounds pretty awesome, the manner in which it’s handled might ruffle more than a few feathers. The Art Center College of Design graduate has ditched the iconic V12 in favor of a 900 horsepower twin-turbo V8 setup (paired with the 300 horsepower KERS system). The vehicle’s proposed weight of 1,763 pounds means the 2-seater would sprint to 62 mph in just 2.2 seconds with a top speed of 310 miles per hour. While many of us would have liked to see this thing powered by a naturally aspirated V12 engine, it’s worth noting that the legendary Ferrari F40 was also powered by the same twin-turbocharged V8 power plant. Not to mention this thing is drop dead gorgeous.
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08-15-2014, 06:55 PM
#9836
Team Owner
i can see that side skirt being replacing on a weekly basis.
08-15-2014, 08:32 PM
#9837
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Looks like an F1 car is hiding underneath. I like it a lot.
08-15-2014, 09:05 PM
#9838
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
yeah, that's a striking feature -
08-15-2014, 09:17 PM
#9839
08-16-2014, 12:06 PM
#9840
What are your guys thoughts on a '15 Optima?
My fiancée wants one as her next car to replace her boat 06 Avalon with only 70k. She doesn't want the turbo or a higher optioned SX, she said she would be perfectly happy with a 2.4 (non turbo) EX (mid level)model.
I sat in one yesterday, dealer didn't offer a test drive, and it was nicer than what pictures suggest. The pano roof was nice.
Anyone know of someone with higher mileage on these cars and how it's holding up?
My buddy has an '11 Sonata that he drives the shit out of, and it's had zero issues, so I figured the Kia would hold up the same.
She initially wanted a Fusion SE, but I almost talked the Accord EX-L on her
My fiancée wants one as her next car to replace her boat 06 Avalon with only 70k. She doesn't want the turbo or a higher optioned SX, she said she would be perfectly happy with a 2.4 (non turbo) EX (mid level)model.
I sat in one yesterday, dealer didn't offer a test drive, and it was nicer than what pictures suggest. The pano roof was nice.
Anyone know of someone with higher mileage on these cars and how it's holding up?
My buddy has an '11 Sonata that he drives the shit out of, and it's had zero issues, so I figured the Kia would hold up the same.
She initially wanted a Fusion SE, but I almost talked the Accord EX-L on her