Aman

That's what was explained to me in school. I'll see what I can find.


EDIT: The idea is called planned obsolescence. Here's a quick article on it:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...460210#slide-1

charliemike

This is absolutely a thing. The question is in car engineering and manufacturing, how much of it is done?

B6 Audis have a propensity for eating control arms. Some engines have to have timing belt/water pump changes at 60K miles.

Do they do this because it's too expensive to engineer the part to last 100K? If they know the average ownership of their cars is 4 years or 60K then do they build cars to be good during that period and then basically need a complete overhaul soon after that?

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Yep!

charliemike

I was trying to avoid being a cynical person but it's very hard not to believe that. Especially after the whole "Mercedes realized they were over-engineering their cars (aka building them to be good for too long)" thing.

Aman

There's a bit of a scale in performance vs. durability. No real point in making a part last 250k+ if the car likely won't be used that long and you can make it perform better/cheaper and last 150k.

I'm gonna go on a limb and say VAG expected those control arms to last a little longer than 60K.

JS + XES

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This applies to a lot of other consumer goods.

Cellphones always don't work well when the contract period ends. LOL

srika

whoa whoa whoa whoa............. 3.6 sec to 60 for the Panamera S! i didn't know it was that fast. fking speedboat!

Costco

re: planned obsolescence... that is definitely the case with mobile devices, and likely so with cars as well. I've always felt that way about certain car manufacturers.

In the case of mobile devices, if you have an older one sometimes it's not necessary to update to the latest version. If you do update, the newer version is more taxing on the old hardware, whereas the more powerful new models can keep up just fine. Some people don't realize this, and find that their device is a piece of iShit, and promptly buy the new model 2 years later, like clockwork.

charliemike

Hey Srika, the Turbo S. The Panamera S is just the 6-cylinder.

srika

oh yea. that

srika

the mobile companies are in it to make billions, not millions. do you think it would be far-fetched to think they have all these update and device schedules planned out well into the future?

Costco

Interesting how the AWD, computer-controlled launch keeps it even, then the power/weight ratio gives the Atom good breathing room, then aerodynamics takes over and the Panamera starts eating up that distance.

I still think the rear on the Panamera is terrible. It's got inverse-GT-Ritis. I only like the GT-R from the back, meanwhile everything else looks gross. On the Panamera, I like every other angle.

srika

insane how it stays relatively close to the Atom. I though tit would get destroyed.

charliemike

Dark colors and big wheels help the proportions.

Costco

Not in the least. It always struck me as tinfoil hat-ty, and I've never been behind closed doors with higher-ups like that... but I would not be surprised in the least. These people aren't in it for charity and out of the goodness of their hearts.

This is the core of my belief in that having loyalty to a brand is foolish. Sure, if you know exactly what you're getting through due diligence, then it's fine if you gravitate towards the same type of product over and over. But if you put blinders on and ignore the competition, I do not feel sorry for you when buyers remorse kicks in.

Despite having worked for Toyota and knowing the history of their products, I was very hesitant to get an 86. I registered to ft86club in August 2012, but I didn't get my car until a month ago.

srika

yeah, I'll say it.


That's racist.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

It has bazillion power under the hood!

Costco

This much is true. Again, I like everything but the rear. But I have seen some nice Turbo variants lowered with wheels to fill out the fenderwells. Black works great on it.

That said, I need to counteract all the GT-R vitriol I've spewed throughout the years. I actually thought this looked really good

Costco

You know what they say about fat chicks who wear black though

Aman

The light doesn't catch their fat rolls as much?

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

This is bad.

Thought 86 had taken over AZine.

S2Ks are pouring in all of a sudden.

Hurry. Someone go buy FRS/BRZ.

charliemike

I want a Porsche! I don't know why

Costco

Audizine
Bimmerzine
Infinitizine
Subaruzine
Mazdazine
Moparzine
Mustangzine
Porschezine
Toyobaruzine
?zine

Yumcha

PoopdickZine.

Yumcha

And DerpZine.

Yumcha

Followed by the biggest ZINE OF THEM ALL: IS350Zine.

Yumcha

And UpgradedtiresZine.

Yumcha

BTW, Costco...I'll allow it just once since I've banned you from that thread...but, you have some Poopdick videos to go fap over. Just sayin'.

Costco

kay

Yumcha

So, now that Ferrari's lifted the blackout on the press for the Poopdick McFartington, how does it fare against the Porsche 918 and McLaren P1...?

Here's Autocar's take (comes with videos of the recently reviewed Poopdick) of the 3 cars: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...che-918-spyder

charliemike

There are two Focus STs (for now) ...

ttribe

Tommy likes.

Costco

I know, I just mentioned the "zines" that I've actually seen mentioned.

There were two CTS-Vs too. I almost excluded Mustangzine too, but there are like four guys with them here.

Yumcha

Mustangzine is really Accordzine.

cjTL

iTrader: (2)

EcoboostZine. Three strong.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

SeaCreatureZine.

Yummy likes.

srika

hey what's wrong with S2k's????

S2k's = AZ familia.

Majofo

IS350zine indeed

srika

srika

^^^^^^^^^^^