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That's what was explained to me in school. I'll see what I can find.
EDIT: The idea is called planned obsolescence. Here's a quick article on it:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...460210#slide-1
EDIT: The idea is called planned obsolescence. Here's a quick article on it:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...460210#slide-1
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That's what was explained to me in school. I'll see what I can find.
EDIT: The idea is called planned obsolescence. Here's a quick article on it:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...460210#slide-1
EDIT: The idea is called planned obsolescence. Here's a quick article on it:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...460210#slide-1
B6 Audis have a propensity for eating control arms. Some engines have to have timing belt/water pump changes at 60K miles.
Do they do this because it's too expensive to engineer the part to last 100K? If they know the average ownership of their cars is 4 years or 60K then do they build cars to be good during that period and then basically need a complete overhaul soon after that?
This is absolutely a thing. The question is in car engineering and manufacturing, how much of it is done?
B6 Audis have a propensity for eating control arms. Some engines have to have timing belt/water pump changes at 60K miles.
Do they do this because it's too expensive to engineer the part to last 100K? If they know the average ownership of their cars is 4 years or 60K then do they build cars to be good during that period and then basically need a complete overhaul soon after that?
B6 Audis have a propensity for eating control arms. Some engines have to have timing belt/water pump changes at 60K miles.
Do they do this because it's too expensive to engineer the part to last 100K? If they know the average ownership of their cars is 4 years or 60K then do they build cars to be good during that period and then basically need a complete overhaul soon after that?
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There's a bit of a scale in performance vs. durability. No real point in making a part last 250k+ if the car likely won't be used that long and you can make it perform better/cheaper and last 150k.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say VAG expected those control arms to last a little longer than 60K.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say VAG expected those control arms to last a little longer than 60K.
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re: planned obsolescence... that is definitely the case with mobile devices, and likely so with cars as well. I've always felt that way about certain car manufacturers.
In the case of mobile devices, if you have an older one sometimes it's not necessary to update to the latest version. If you do update, the newer version is more taxing on the old hardware, whereas the more powerful new models can keep up just fine. Some people don't realize this, and find that their device is a piece of iShit, and promptly buy the new model 2 years later, like clockwork.
In the case of mobile devices, if you have an older one sometimes it's not necessary to update to the latest version. If you do update, the newer version is more taxing on the old hardware, whereas the more powerful new models can keep up just fine. Some people don't realize this, and find that their device is a piece of iShit, and promptly buy the new model 2 years later, like clockwork.
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re: planned obsolescence... that is definitely the case with mobile devices, and likely so with cars as well. I've always felt that way about certain car manufacturers.
In the case of mobile devices, if you have an older one sometimes it's not necessary to update to the latest version. If you do update, the newer version is more taxing on the old hardware, whereas the more powerful new models can keep up just fine. Some people don't realize this, and find that their device is a piece of iShit, and promptly buy the new model 2 years later, like clockwork.
In the case of mobile devices, if you have an older one sometimes it's not necessary to update to the latest version. If you do update, the newer version is more taxing on the old hardware, whereas the more powerful new models can keep up just fine. Some people don't realize this, and find that their device is a piece of iShit, and promptly buy the new model 2 years later, like clockwork.
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Interesting how the AWD, computer-controlled launch keeps it even, then the power/weight ratio gives the Atom good breathing room, then aerodynamics takes over and the Panamera starts eating up that distance.
I still think the rear on the Panamera is terrible. It's got inverse-GT-Ritis. I only like the GT-R from the back, meanwhile everything else looks gross. On the Panamera, I like every other angle.
I still think the rear on the Panamera is terrible. It's got inverse-GT-Ritis. I only like the GT-R from the back, meanwhile everything else looks gross. On the Panamera, I like every other angle.
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Interesting how the AWD, computer-controlled launch keeps it even, then the power/weight ratio gives the Atom good breathing room, then aerodynamics takes over and the Panamera starts eating up that distance.
I still think the rear on the Panamera is terrible. It's got inverse-GT-Ritis. I only like the GT-R from the back, meanwhile everything else looks gross. On the Panamera, I like every other angle.
I still think the rear on the Panamera is terrible. It's got inverse-GT-Ritis. I only like the GT-R from the back, meanwhile everything else looks gross. On the Panamera, I like every other angle.
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This is the core of my belief in that having loyalty to a brand is foolish. Sure, if you know exactly what you're getting through due diligence, then it's fine if you gravitate towards the same type of product over and over. But if you put blinders on and ignore the competition, I do not feel sorry for you when buyers remorse kicks in.
Despite having worked for Toyota and knowing the history of their products, I was very hesitant to get an 86. I registered to ft86club in August 2012, but I didn't get my car until a month ago.
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This much is true. Again, I like everything but the rear. But I have seen some nice Turbo variants lowered with wheels to fill out the fenderwells. Black works great on it.
That said, I need to counteract all the GT-R vitriol I've spewed throughout the years. I actually thought this looked really good
That said, I need to counteract all the GT-R vitriol I've spewed throughout the years. I actually thought this looked really good
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So, now that Ferrari's lifted the blackout on the press for the Poopdick McFartington, how does it fare against the Porsche 918 and McLaren P1...?
Here's Autocar's take (comes with videos of the recently reviewed Poopdick) of the 3 cars: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...che-918-spyder
Here's Autocar's take (comes with videos of the recently reviewed Poopdick) of the 3 cars: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...che-918-spyder
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^^^^^^^^^^^
To everyone saying that truck has serious mods, no, it doesn't. The only mod it has is exhaust, and probably a programmer. Diesel engines are like rotaries, in that the more air and fuel you put in, the more power the engine makes. So, buy a programmer, upload the new engine mapping onto the ECU, and bam. Your 340hp, 850lb-ft-tq cummins just became a 700hp, 1600lb-ft-tq cummins, for about $1000.