General Car Talk Discussion Thread
07-01-2013, 10:24 AM
#3961
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I never get tired of hearing firsthand input about things in here. 
07-02-2013, 05:15 PM
#3962
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Thunderbirds-themed Ford Mustang - http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/...ntcmp=features
Very cool.
The automaker today unveiled a custom Mustang GT to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds precision flying team.
The coupe carries VIN 0001 as the first 2014 Mustang off the line, and features a glass roof and red, white and blue paint scheme festooned with insignia inspired from the Thunderbird’s F-16 Falcon fighter jets.
A unique wide body kit with appropriately large wing by TS Designs, enormous 22-inch Forgiato wheels and puddle lamps that project a beam in the shape of an airplane round out the exterior modifications.
Recaro seats and a Ford Racing package including a supercharger for the 5.0-liter V8, suspension and Brembo brakes bring the performance of the two-seat ‘Stang closer to Air Force spec.
The coupe carries VIN 0001 as the first 2014 Mustang off the line, and features a glass roof and red, white and blue paint scheme festooned with insignia inspired from the Thunderbird’s F-16 Falcon fighter jets.
A unique wide body kit with appropriately large wing by TS Designs, enormous 22-inch Forgiato wheels and puddle lamps that project a beam in the shape of an airplane round out the exterior modifications.
Recaro seats and a Ford Racing package including a supercharger for the 5.0-liter V8, suspension and Brembo brakes bring the performance of the two-seat ‘Stang closer to Air Force spec.
Very cool.
07-02-2013, 06:18 PM
#3963
As an owner of one, I'm advising against it. Not just because of maintenance that is required. The car itself, the way it was made, and the longevity of the parts they used do not meet the expectations of the car. It does not age well. The materials quality inside and out are not made to last in a reasonable condition beyond five or so years. My 1998 is showing its age in a way that is far more disappointing than I think a lot of people realize. The car isn't on its way to becoming a classic but rather is just getting old.
If I compared my 1998 E36 that was pretty well looked after with my dad's 1987 911, the Porsche fared much better.
I have bitched about the E36 here so many times that I'm sure people are tired of it, but I feel like I have an obligation as an owner to let people know what these cars are really like. Because the perception of of the car vs reality often doesn't match
That said, $22k for that car is way, way overpriced. The car is probably worth $13-15k in that condition. The supercharger is an irrelevant addition in the price of the car IMO. A car of that year needs a lot of maintenance done to it and unless the previous owner did it, you're looking at $3k in work before labor.
I know Rick has said that he knows all this but I guess I don't believe anyone that didn't own one could
If I compared my 1998 E36 that was pretty well looked after with my dad's 1987 911, the Porsche fared much better.
I have bitched about the E36 here so many times that I'm sure people are tired of it, but I feel like I have an obligation as an owner to let people know what these cars are really like. Because the perception of of the car vs reality often doesn't match
That said, $22k for that car is way, way overpriced. The car is probably worth $13-15k in that condition. The supercharger is an irrelevant addition in the price of the car IMO. A car of that year needs a lot of maintenance done to it and unless the previous owner did it, you're looking at $3k in work before labor.
I know Rick has said that he knows all this but I guess I don't believe anyone that didn't own one could
While you are one owner whose experience I have read with consideration, you are also one of the few who try to advise against it. I have read others' testimonials with the cars that have loved them. I'm not going to sit here & act like yours is obviously more creditable when it's not. The only common information shared between the cons & pros are to have all the receipts & previous work recorded.
Got it.
Here's the other reason everything you're posting about this car isn't true; you have not seen the car's for sale page & if you have, you sure as shit didn't read the description on it.
Looking at the current market, it's more than a fair price for a car that has Sunday driver miles, original paint & no damage, and a near-mint condition interior. For the amount of modifications added in (some of which are BMW OEM parts), there's not a chance the seller won't factor them in. And you can bet EAG will be adding their PPI to the cost, but you'll find every dealer does that, even my own.
E36s of this condition are rare & the market prices reflect that. There's not a chance this car would be worth $15K max. in the current market, else it would only prove that everyone else's car is way, way overpriced.
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07-02-2013, 08:26 PM
#3964
Fahrvergnügen'd
All I read was you basing your entire experience of one as the end result for everyone else. Yours may not have aged well, but that doesn't mean every other M3 hasn't either. In fact, I've seen quite a few on the web still in great condition, but that's probably because their owners stay on top of them which is a necessity with any M3.
While you are one owner whose experience I have read with consideration, you are also one of the few who try to advise against it. I have read others' testimonials with the cars that have loved them. I'm not going to sit here & act like yours is obviously more creditable when it's not. The only common information shared between the cons & pros are to have all the receipts & previous work recorded.
Got it.
Here's the other reason everything you're posting about this car isn't true; you have not seen the car's for sale page & if you have, you sure as shit didn't read the description on it.
Looking at the current market, it's more than a fair price for a car that has Sunday driver miles, original paint & no damage, and a near-mint condition interior. For the amount of modifications added in (some of which are BMW OEM parts), there's not a chance the seller won't factor them in. And you can bet EAG will be adding their PPI to the cost, but you'll find every dealer does that, even my own.
E36s of this condition are rare & the market prices reflect that. There's not a chance this car would be worth $15K max. in the current market, else it would only prove that everyone else's car is way, way overpriced.
While you are one owner whose experience I have read with consideration, you are also one of the few who try to advise against it. I have read others' testimonials with the cars that have loved them. I'm not going to sit here & act like yours is obviously more creditable when it's not. The only common information shared between the cons & pros are to have all the receipts & previous work recorded.
Got it.
Here's the other reason everything you're posting about this car isn't true; you have not seen the car's for sale page & if you have, you sure as shit didn't read the description on it.
Looking at the current market, it's more than a fair price for a car that has Sunday driver miles, original paint & no damage, and a near-mint condition interior. For the amount of modifications added in (some of which are BMW OEM parts), there's not a chance the seller won't factor them in. And you can bet EAG will be adding their PPI to the cost, but you'll find every dealer does that, even my own.
E36s of this condition are rare & the market prices reflect that. There's not a chance this car would be worth $15K max. in the current market, else it would only prove that everyone else's car is way, way overpriced.
07-02-2013, 09:24 PM
#3965
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so, YMMV? 
07-03-2013, 08:16 AM
#3966
2024 Honda Civic Type R
FWIW my buddy's E36 M3 is a 1996 with 130k? miles and it rarely gives him any problems. There were only two previous owners and it still has the original Estoril Blue paint. It's such a nice ride - I love it.
07-03-2013, 10:22 AM
#3967
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and just a reminder, I have a friend with a '98 M3 4-door that has around 250k on the clock - and it runs like a champ, I have driven it before its very nice. He is a wrencher though.
07-03-2013, 10:23 AM
#3968
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Thread Starter
but another thing though, my friend is the kind of person where if something's "not working" for him, he'll get rid of it. If that car drove him crazy, he would have sold it a long time ago.
07-03-2013, 02:46 PM
#3969
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figure some people will be interested in this
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/03/v...o-us-for-2016/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/03/v...o-us-for-2016/
VW confirms Golf GTD diesel coming to US for 2016
By Jeffrey N. Ross
Posted Jul 3rd 2013 11:00AM
Part of the Volkswagen Golf recipe that has helped the car sell more than 30 million units in just under 40 years is the number of variants in which the hatchback is offered. Building on that range here in the US, Automotive News is reporting that we will finally be getting the sporty Golf GTD, likely as a 2016 model. It's the GTD, you'll recall, that crosses the performance abilities of the venerable GTI with a powerful and fuel-efficient diesel engine.
After speaking with Andreas Valbuena, Volkswagen product manager for the Golf, AN not only says that the GTD will for sale in the US in a couple years, it also estimates a baseline price of around $27,000, which would place it between the current pricing for the GTI and the Golf R. The GTD is launching in Europe this summer, but we won't be getting the seventh-generation Golf in the US for another year. The news about the performance diesel model isn't entirely unexpected – VW officials have been hinting at it for at least a year now, going so far as to import a sixth-generation model for media test drives on US soil, a task we happily took them up on last year.
The Mk VII GTD uses VW's 2.0-liter TDI engine with output increased to 184 horsepower and 280 pound-feet of torque, allowing the car to sprint to 60 miles per hour in about seven seconds while returning more than 40 mpg in highway driving. We can't wait.
By Jeffrey N. Ross
Posted Jul 3rd 2013 11:00AM
Part of the Volkswagen Golf recipe that has helped the car sell more than 30 million units in just under 40 years is the number of variants in which the hatchback is offered. Building on that range here in the US, Automotive News is reporting that we will finally be getting the sporty Golf GTD, likely as a 2016 model. It's the GTD, you'll recall, that crosses the performance abilities of the venerable GTI with a powerful and fuel-efficient diesel engine.
After speaking with Andreas Valbuena, Volkswagen product manager for the Golf, AN not only says that the GTD will for sale in the US in a couple years, it also estimates a baseline price of around $27,000, which would place it between the current pricing for the GTI and the Golf R. The GTD is launching in Europe this summer, but we won't be getting the seventh-generation Golf in the US for another year. The news about the performance diesel model isn't entirely unexpected – VW officials have been hinting at it for at least a year now, going so far as to import a sixth-generation model for media test drives on US soil, a task we happily took them up on last year.
The Mk VII GTD uses VW's 2.0-liter TDI engine with output increased to 184 horsepower and 280 pound-feet of torque, allowing the car to sprint to 60 miles per hour in about seven seconds while returning more than 40 mpg in highway driving. We can't wait.
07-03-2013, 02:51 PM
#3970
yowza! TDI with some balls from the factory, and with the GTI interior too. nice
07-07-2013, 04:15 PM
#3971
Anybody know much about pontiac pursuits? My sister's friend is selling one that needs a new oil pan for $500 because he's leaving for work and just wants it gone. However, I plan on just fixing it up and flipping it for a decent profit but don't want to get into a huge project if there are lots of things that tend to need attention. Any input would be appreciated. Going to see the car either today or tomorrow so I'll be sure to take pictures.
07-08-2013, 09:49 AM
#3972
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Anybody know much about pontiac pursuits? My sister's friend is selling one that needs a new oil pan for $500 because he's leaving for work and just wants it gone. However, I plan on just fixing it up and flipping it for a decent profit but don't want to get into a huge project if there are lots of things that tend to need attention. Any input would be appreciated. Going to see the car either today or tomorrow so I'll be sure to take pictures.
Not a bad car IMO for a commuter/beater, especially for $500. Shouldn't be too had to replace the pan, I would think.
07-08-2013, 10:47 AM
#3973
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yikes.
07-08-2013, 10:53 AM
#3974
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Damn! Any more information on that?
07-08-2013, 10:54 AM
#3976
Moderator
Ouch...Aston and Veyron collide...that's going to be expensive.
07-08-2013, 11:03 AM
#3977
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http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/07/08/c...ugatti-veyron/
Car Crash: Aston Martin DB9 Rear Ends Bugatti Veyron
Unfortunately we have another Bugatti Veyron accident to report today. This time it looks as though the Veyron was the innocent victim of an Aston Martin DB9 owners failure to pay proper attention. We don’t know for sure though as we don’t have the details on the accident. The accident happened in Moscow right after Auto Exotica 2013 Car Show.
There have been a number of Bugatti Veyron car crashes in the past. Most recently a grey example crashed in the US out on track. We’ve seen two grand sports with major damage, one was spotted in the workshop whilst another, the Sang Blanc, was spotted on a low loader. We then saw the infamous pelican induced salt water Veyron. Before that we saw a Veyron wreck into a field in the UK!
If you have any further information on this latest accident, please do drop us a line!
Unfortunately we have another Bugatti Veyron accident to report today. This time it looks as though the Veyron was the innocent victim of an Aston Martin DB9 owners failure to pay proper attention. We don’t know for sure though as we don’t have the details on the accident. The accident happened in Moscow right after Auto Exotica 2013 Car Show.
There have been a number of Bugatti Veyron car crashes in the past. Most recently a grey example crashed in the US out on track. We’ve seen two grand sports with major damage, one was spotted in the workshop whilst another, the Sang Blanc, was spotted on a low loader. We then saw the infamous pelican induced salt water Veyron. Before that we saw a Veyron wreck into a field in the UK!
If you have any further information on this latest accident, please do drop us a line!
07-08-2013, 04:58 PM
#3978
Yeah it's a rebadged Cobalt. But I went to see it and there's more work needed than I thought. Paint is rough, the windshield needs to be replaced, and the interior is in pretty rough shape. And it's already in excess of 250k kms (owner cant remember exactly how many k's, can't get an odometer reading because of the oil warning). I think I'm gonna pass on it and keep looking.
07-09-2013, 09:07 PM
#3980
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Thread Starter
Oh man, love the 500E. It was arguably the first mass-produced production high-hp 4-door sedan. (maybe the first?). Basically MB's AMG Hammer, for lay people. 
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07-11-2013, 02:49 PM
#3981
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Road America in the 60's
07-11-2013, 04:44 PM
#3983
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^^ yeah that $58k was kind of a dealbreaker, lol
just setup a shoot with this Aston..
will probably also do the GTR at a later point... 
(GTR is his DD)
just setup a shoot with this Aston..
will probably also do the GTR at a later point... (GTR is his DD)
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07-11-2013, 11:24 PM
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New RAV4 got its butt whooped on the small overlap crash test: 
Rated: Poor.
I really like these new tests, and that the IIHS is finally starting to bump up standards another level. It's really showing faults in cars I think.
Also:
100 pages! I'm enjoying this thread.
Rated: Poor.
I really like these new tests, and that the IIHS is finally starting to bump up standards another level. It's really showing faults in cars I think.
Also:
100 pages! I'm enjoying this thread.
07-11-2013, 11:30 PM
#3986
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07-12-2013, 11:03 AM
#3987
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airbag might work if you're sitting on the center console.
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07-12-2013, 11:43 AM
#3988
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07-12-2013, 11:46 AM
#3989
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^^^No cup holders, no want.
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07-12-2013, 12:03 PM
#3991
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holy carp there's some HOT STUFF in here.......... 
2013 Goodwood Festival of Speed
http://www.egarage.com/photos/album/...2013_goodwood/
2013 Goodwood Festival of Speed
http://www.egarage.com/photos/album/...2013_goodwood/
07-12-2013, 12:29 PM
#3992
Suzuka Master
I never get why you guys post links to used cars that basically none of us can afford. Why not just post new? Both are out of reach... either way haha
07-12-2013, 12:32 PM
#3993
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I posted the LFA to make note of the car appreciating in price.
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07-12-2013, 12:38 PM
#3994
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For the same reason we post pics of cars we'll never afford - we're car enthusiasts who like to dream. I don't see any problem with that.
07-12-2013, 01:43 PM
#3995
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Thread Starter
yikes!! 
http://jalopnik.com/two-racecars-and...ium=socialflow
<header class="mtm mbl">Two Racecars And A Lambo Concept Car Already Crashed At Goodwood
</header>The Goodwood Festival of Speed started this morning and already three cars have crashed. Two racecars and one concept car. How many more wrecks can we expect?
The cars in question are:
The second crash was the Giugiaro Parcour. As you can see in this Instagram by GT Spirit, The concept car sustained enough damage to the rear that it had to be taken off the track on a flatbed. We don't know the condition of anyone inside.
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This Has Got To Be The Most Difficult To Drive Car Ever
The Toyota Tacoma Pikes Peak can hit 60 MPH in 1.6 seconds thanks to a 1,000 HP 2.1-liter engine. But it's only geared to do 132 MPH. Imagine… Read…
The 1,000 horsepower Pikes Peak truck crashed third, clipping the grass at about 90 miles an hour. I can understand the Pikes Peak truck crashing, as it is unofficially the Most Difficult Car To Drive In The Entire World.
</aside>
This picture from Zero 2 Turbo shows the front split off from the rest of the car, and one eyewitness reported that the car nearly went through the hay bales and into the crowd. The crowd stepped back, however, and no one was hurt.
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McLaren engineers prepare the MP4-13 driven by Nick Heidfeld #GoodWood #FoS #DarrenHeath #iPhoneography pic.twitter.com/XyOriHkd6u — McLaren… Read…
</aside>How would you feel about taking an F1 car up the hill now?
Photo Credits: GT Spirit, Zero 2 Turbo
Discuss
http://jalopnik.com/two-racecars-and...ium=socialflow
<header class="mtm mbl">Two Racecars And A Lambo Concept Car Already Crashed At Goodwood
</header>The Goodwood Festival of Speed started this morning and already three cars have crashed. Two racecars and one concept car. How many more wrecks can we expect?
The cars in question are:
- The Giugiaro Parcour concept.
- A Rothmans Porsche 962.
- The Rod Millen Pikes Peak Toyota Tacoma.
The second crash was the Giugiaro Parcour. As you can see in this Instagram by GT Spirit, The concept car sustained enough damage to the rear that it had to be taken off the track on a flatbed. We don't know the condition of anyone inside.
<aside class="referenced-wide six right columns" data-ids="5520353">
This Has Got To Be The Most Difficult To Drive Car Ever
The Toyota Tacoma Pikes Peak can hit 60 MPH in 1.6 seconds thanks to a 1,000 HP 2.1-liter engine. But it's only geared to do 132 MPH. Imagine… Read…
The 1,000 horsepower Pikes Peak truck crashed third, clipping the grass at about 90 miles an hour. I can understand the Pikes Peak truck crashing, as it is unofficially the Most Difficult Car To Drive In The Entire World.
</aside>
This picture from Zero 2 Turbo shows the front split off from the rest of the car, and one eyewitness reported that the car nearly went through the hay bales and into the crowd. The crowd stepped back, however, and no one was hurt.
<aside class="referenced-wide six right columns" data-ids="754211093">
McLaren engineers prepare the MP4-13 driven by Nick Heidfeld #GoodWood #FoS #DarrenHeath #iPhoneography pic.twitter.com/XyOriHkd6u — McLaren… Read…
</aside>How would you feel about taking an F1 car up the hill now?
Photo Credits: GT Spirit, Zero 2 Turbo
Discuss
07-12-2013, 03:10 PM
#3997
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for the love of all things holy. the previous record was $16.4 mil.
why am I posting about this? because I find it to be interesting.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/12/auto...html?hpt=hp_t2
why am I posting about this? because I find it to be interesting.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/12/auto...html?hpt=hp_t2
Mercedes sells at auction for record $30 million
By Peter Valdes-Dapena @PeterDrives July 12, 2013: 3:11 PM ET
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This 1954 Mercedes W196 was part of a group of race cars that won nine of 12 World Championship-qualifying races in 1954 and '55.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
A 1954 Mercedes-Benz race car sold for a record $30 million at an auction in England Friday.
While collectible cars have been sold privately for more, this is the highest price ever paid for a car at a public auction. Until today, the record had been held by a 1957 Ferrari Testa Rossa Prototype which sold at an auction in California in 2011 for $16.4 million.
The Mercedes W196R Formula 1 race car, powered by a 2.5-liter 8-cylinder engine, was one of a group of race cars that won 9 World Championship-qualifying Grand Prix races in 1954 and '55.
Related: Great car deals from the Barrett-Jackson auction
This car, in particular, won two of those races. It was driven by legendary Argentinian-born driver Juan Manuel Fangio and is the only W196 race car not currently housed in a museum or owned by Mercedes-Benz.
Part of the car's ultra-high value had to do with its largely original, unrestored condition. These days car collectors prefer to buy automobiles that haven't been cleaned and repaired to look new. This car still had scuff marks from racing mishaps and places where the paint was chipped off, said Jonathan Klinger, with the collector car insurance company Hagerty Insurance. Klinger was at the auction and was able to inspect the car closely.
The car sold for roughly £19,600,000. The price includes a 12% commission for the Bonham's auction company, which sold the car.
By Peter Valdes-Dapena @PeterDrives July 12, 2013: 3:11 PM ET
[*] 1
This 1954 Mercedes W196 was part of a group of race cars that won nine of 12 World Championship-qualifying races in 1954 and '55.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
A 1954 Mercedes-Benz race car sold for a record $30 million at an auction in England Friday.
While collectible cars have been sold privately for more, this is the highest price ever paid for a car at a public auction. Until today, the record had been held by a 1957 Ferrari Testa Rossa Prototype which sold at an auction in California in 2011 for $16.4 million.
The Mercedes W196R Formula 1 race car, powered by a 2.5-liter 8-cylinder engine, was one of a group of race cars that won 9 World Championship-qualifying Grand Prix races in 1954 and '55.
Related: Great car deals from the Barrett-Jackson auction
This car, in particular, won two of those races. It was driven by legendary Argentinian-born driver Juan Manuel Fangio and is the only W196 race car not currently housed in a museum or owned by Mercedes-Benz.
Part of the car's ultra-high value had to do with its largely original, unrestored condition. These days car collectors prefer to buy automobiles that haven't been cleaned and repaired to look new. This car still had scuff marks from racing mishaps and places where the paint was chipped off, said Jonathan Klinger, with the collector car insurance company Hagerty Insurance. Klinger was at the auction and was able to inspect the car closely.
The car sold for roughly £19,600,000. The price includes a 12% commission for the Bonham's auction company, which sold the car.
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07-12-2013, 03:16 PM
#3998
Senior Moderator
Oh weird. Didn't know Altegris was selling his LFA!
Must be upgrading for the Pagani Zonda Z Type X Mugen AMG M RS GT70 Nismo Spoon l33t version that he's getting Horatio to build for him.
Must be upgrading for the Pagani Zonda Z Type X Mugen AMG M RS GT70 Nismo Spoon l33t version that he's getting Horatio to build for him.
07-12-2013, 03:16 PM
#3999
Senior Moderator
And BoostedJack was the winning bidder for that Mercedes. 
07-12-2013, 06:05 PM
#4000
Suzuka Master
haha i didn't pay attention to that
Oh no i'm not complaining or anything, just wondering why. Let me try to rephrase.
You say we like to dream, buy why would you dream about saving money on a used 458 while just getting a new one. Thats what I meant. Other than what srika said about noting the price and seeing how it depreciates or appreciates, yea I get that. But sometimes theres posting of a used $200k car to say you wanna own it and we all respond like "I want that
" But why not post the new version of the car
Its just a random thought that came to me right now, I've done the same thing about wanting those used cars you guys posted.
On another note, anyone else think the new mazda 3's look really good? I believe its probably the best looking sedan in its class. I saw pics of speed3 but dunno if they're official yet?
You say we like to dream, buy why would you dream about saving money on a used 458 while just getting a new one. Thats what I meant. Other than what srika said about noting the price and seeing how it depreciates or appreciates, yea I get that. But sometimes theres posting of a used $200k car to say you wanna own it and we all respond like "I want that
" But why not post the new version of the car Its just a random thought that came to me right now, I've done the same thing about wanting those used cars you guys posted.
On another note, anyone else think the new mazda 3's look really good? I believe its probably the best looking sedan in its class. I saw pics of speed3 but dunno if they're official yet?