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That's interesting to learn. Do they consider the cars just too dangerous/quick to drive? Figured most tracks just have the drivers sign waivers that leave the driver at complete risk/fault of their own.
I'm guessing yes to that question, as well as perhaps most tracks don't want to deal with the hassle of their insurance policies if there's a incident with a tier-1 race car at their tracks.
Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Genius Garage has a late 90s/early 00s Indycar (Reynard chassis I believe) and apart from being non-running, I recall him saying that you'd effectively need racing experience to operate it in it's race configuration. Similar with their 'C4' IMSA Corvette.
They're currently repowering it with a K24, so the students can actually drive it without risk of injury.
+1, I can only imagine how difficult it would be to learn to drive something that powerful and with ground effects downforce. Probably wanna start with carts, then Formula Ford 1600/2000,...
Sold for $21K and I'm sure the 5 Speed had something to do with that. My wife had a 91 version of this in black and was a great vehicle all the way around.
My 93 SE (Auto Sedan) was bought for $1k, with a blown engine & 200k on it. New engine & some front seat covers & that was a great college commuter. Sold it for the 2G TL in 2010.
"This 1983 Porsche 911 Turbo is a European-market example currently owned by former Formula 1 driver Eddie Irvine."
$126k seems kinda low for a fairly good condition Euro 930 stock with 50k miles driven by F1 driver Irvine? Wonder if it's because of his reputation of abusing his cars
Good looking car and I'm sure someone will get a real gem. As mentioned in the comments and it places here on Azine, the auto trannys were "junk", "made of glass" etc.... This being a 6 speed, should be much more reliable.
Back in 03 I was looking to buy my first Acura and looked for a 6 speed and could find a good one. Ultimately I waited and bought an 04 TL 6 Speed and haven't looked back.
Genius Garage has a late 90s/early 00s Indycar (Reynard chassis I believe) and apart from being non-running, I recall him saying that you'd effectively need racing experience to operate it in it's race configuration. Similar with their 'C4' IMSA Corvette.
They're currently repowering it with a K24, so the students can actually drive it without risk of injury.
Genius Garage received a early 2010's Lotus F1 car for their education of engineering students. Gotta give him ALOT of credit for starting GG and educating his students for motorsports.
Hats off to Casey!
I really enjoy their channel, he's going into Indy Pro 2000, at double the average age of the other drivers.
Really looking forward to seeing what they do with the Lotus. Supposedly, it's the same car that Clarkson drove on Top Gear, years ago.
Also, it's apparently an 'F1' car, as it's slightly detuned & supposedly has more downforce than the actual Lotus F1 cars. In the video he mentions it was Lotus' way of 'cheating' their way around the testing limits, by selling a very similar car to wealthy folks & analyzing the data from them.
I’m really conflicted. A 2000 Chevy Metro just sold on Bring A Trailer for a mind-bending price of $18,200, and I don’t really know how to feel about it. On one hand, this 400-mile survivor looks to be arguably the best-preserved 2000 Chevy Metro on the whole planet. On the other hand, it’s a 2000 Chevy Metro. So, you see my conundrum.
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The ad states that the Metro was sold for $11,140, and there’s a window sticker to prove it. If we adjust that price to 2021 dollars, it comes to $17,745 in today’s money, which is $455 less than what this thing went for on Bring a Trailer. That difference is about what a beat-to-shit 2000 Metro would have sold for a year or two back on Craigslist, too.
I really enjoy their channel, he's going into Indy Pro 2000, at double the average age of the other drivers.
Really looking forward to seeing what they do with the Lotus. Supposedly, it's the same car that Clarkson drove on Top Gear, years ago.
Also, it's apparently an 'F1' car, as it's slightly detuned & supposedly has more downforce than the actual Lotus F1 cars. In the video he mentions it was Lotus' way of 'cheating' their way around the testing limits, by selling a very similar car to wealthy folks & analyzing the data from them.
Lotus T125. Been on Top Gear with ol' Clarkson.
Was supposed to be as close as the general public could get, but being a Formula 1-lite car still incurred heavy maintenance costs & was not exactly something even wealthy track hobby guys wanted to touch when other options like the XX Programme existed. Only 5 of the 25 were actually made, and the project was sold off to a New Zealand company who refined it and sold it for $650K. Lotus lost millions of dollars on it just hyping it up, had lots of big names involved to move it like both Chapman & Mansell's sons, Takuma Sato, and Sir Sterling Moss. 1 sold a couple years ago at RM for $420,000.
Was supposed to be as close as the general public could get, but being a Formula 1-lite car still incurred heavy maintenance costs & was not exactly something even wealthy track hobby guys wanted to touch when other options like the XX Programme existed. Only 5 of the 25 were actually made, and the project was sold off to a New Zealand company who refined it and sold it for $650K. Lotus lost millions of dollars on it just hyping it up, had lots of big names involved to move it like both Chapman & Mansell's sons, Takuma Sato, and Sir Sterling Moss. 1 sold a couple years ago at RM for $420,000.
Thx! Was not aware of any of that. From the front it looked like a mid 2010's F1 Lotus E23
Still debating if and when the time comes for me to part ways with my TL, If I should list it on bringatrailer or cars and bids. @CLtotheTL32 What do you think?
Was supposed to be as close as the general public could get, but being a Formula 1-lite car still incurred heavy maintenance costs & was not exactly something even wealthy track hobby guys wanted to touch when other options like the XX Programme existed. Only 5 of the 25 were actually made, and the project was sold off to a New Zealand company who refined it and sold it for $650K. Lotus lost millions of dollars on it just hyping it up, had lots of big names involved to move it like both Chapman & Mansell's sons, Takuma Sato, and Sir Sterling Moss. 1 sold a couple years ago at RM for $420,000.
It's possible the two are heavily related. The T125 was privately unveiled just before the Paris Motor Show in Oct. 2010. I would suspect Lotus-Renault probably had the R31 already well into its development for the 2011 season by then before it was shown in Jan. the following year.
Art & Revs with another rare, iconic, and stunning Audi LMP for sale. It was used in the 2007 ALMS series a few races, and made a reappearance at the 2008 Sebring 12 Hours with Capello, Kristensen, & McNish which it has been restored to said livery. Doesn't appear this chassis was used or contributed much to Audi's 2007 & 2008 championships, spending most of its life racing overseas in privateer hands. A&R shares it's only 1 of 2 in private hands now, out of what looks to be 10 built overall. No price, but this R10 was put up for auction almost a decade ago at an estimated 1.3-1.6 million Euros with a high bid of 1.1 million. I would guess, given its lack of racing pedigree (for what it is compared to the other R10s) but still appreciation in value 10 years later, A&R might be asking around 2 million Euros. AUDI R10 TDI LMP1 for sale
Still debating if and when the time comes for me to part ways with my TL, If I should list it on bringatrailer or cars and bids. @CLtotheTL32 What do you think?
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
If you're deadset on either of those, I'd suggest Cars and Bids. It's tailored more towards the normal cars compared to BaTs high dollar collectibles.
Art & Revs with another rare, iconic, and stunning Audi LMP for sale. It was used in the 2007 ALMS series a few races, and made a reappearance at the 2008 Sebring 12 Hours with Capello, Kristensen, & McNish which it has been restored to said livery. Doesn't appear this chassis was used or contributed much to Audi's 2007 & 2008 championships, spending most of its life racing overseas in privateer hands. A&R shares it's only 1 of 2 in private hands now, out of what looks to be 10 built overall. No price, but this R10 was put up for auction almost a decade ago at an estimated 1.3-1.6 million Euros with a high bid of 1.1 million. I would guess, given its lack of racing pedigree (for what it is compared to the other R10s) but still appreciation in value 10 years later, A&R might be asking around 2 million Euros.
I'm guessing yes to that question, as well as perhaps most tracks don't want to deal with the hassle of their insurance policies if there's a incident with a tier-1 race car at their tracks.
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You sign a waiver to run at a track and carry insurance specific to that track (Club Hi Perf Driving Schools for example). In an Indycar I'd imagine tracks forbidding them from running is because their facilities aren't up to par with run-off areas, armco, catch fencing, etc. I recall all the mods WGI had to make to bring it up to internationally accepted standards being inspected biannually by Mr. Charlie Whiting himself. The change in protection for the flagging stations, grandstands on the outside of turns and armco was drastic.
It was supposed to auction back in August, but they pulled it for whatever reason; interesting to see what it goes for. Curated's sold for $665,000 back in January and that car needed a little TLC.
The dealer in question is Sanford Honda in Sanford, NC and they’re swinging for the fences on some cars they’ve deemed “classics.”
Say you’re in the market for a third generation Honda Prelude Si. If we look at Bring a Trailer, we can see a the results of a few recent Prelude sales. One with 30,000 miles sold for $11,000 back in August. An ’89 with a five speed manual and 65,000 miles sold for $21,000 late last year. Insurer Hagerty says the average value for an ‘89 Prelude is $8,700, but this one looks to be in much better than average condition.
With those numbers as a partial guide, even considering the new/used car market is wild right now, you’d think a Prelude with just under 80,000 miles could sell in the low teens. Not at Sanford Honda.
The oldest, an ‘89, is clean. But is it clean enough that you’d pay $28k for it?
While the ‘89 is more of an established classic, the other Prelude is a 5th generation car from the final year of production, 2001. It has just 2,245 miles on it. For a 20-year-old car, that’s impressive. Kelly Blue Book has trade-in values for a Prelude of this year, with the same options and mileage between $6,058 - $7,411. But this one is really nice, if not necessarily desirable. What do you think? I’d say $10,000 - $11,000 would be fairly reasonable.
Sanford is asking $49,000. Keep in mind this is a base Prelude with a four speed auto. It’s not even a Type-SH.
Obviously they think someone will pay this price or they are starting crazy high and ideally are looking for something in the upper 30s??? (which is still crazy, but who knows in this market)
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