$45K for a used (potentially new) performance sedan...what would you look at?
07-22-2011, 11:55 AM
#481
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Having family members with BOTH i can tell you that in NO way is the rear seat anywhere near the size of the genesis, nor could it fit 3 children 2 of which in car seats where the kids wouldnt be cramped and complaining. Even for "normal" adults the rear of the civic is cramped compared to the Genesis and not a place most would want to be for any bit more than a short time in comparison. 
Im 6'5 and i fit better in the back seat of the Genesis than i do the front of my TL (other than out right leg room)
Im 6'5 and i fit better in the back seat of the Genesis than i do the front of my TL (other than out right leg room)
This depends on your definition of "near", as alot of folks on these forums get highly dramatic with their descriptions and definitions. So instead lets get to the actual numbers of the Genesis/Civic dimensions. The first row is the Civic and the second is the Genesis for each dimension. As shown the interior dimensions of the Civic are within 10%, the interior volume is about 85% of a Genesis.
So to me the differences are not that great (<10%). It amazes me how much interior room is on some modern compact cars. The engineers do a excellent job of efficiently using all the space they can. Consider the fact that the Civic is only 65% of the weight of the Genesis. It's obvious the Genesis has alot of other stuff (V8, features,...).
Front head room
39.0 in.
40.4 in.
Front hip room
50.5 in.
54.9 in.
Front leg room
42.0 in.
44.3 in.
Front shoulder room
56.6 in.
58.3 in.
Rear hip Room
51.4 in.
54.3 in.
Rear head room
37.1 in.
37.7 in.
Rear leg room
36.2 in.
38.6 in.
Rear shoulder room
53.3 in.
57.9 in.
Width
69.0 in.
74.4 in.
Height
56.5 in.
58.3 in.
Length
177.3 in.
196.3 in.
Front track
59.0 in.
63.1 in.
Rear track
59.9 in.
63.8 in.
Wheel base
105.1 in.
115.6 in.
Cargo capacity, all seats in place
12.5 cu.ft.
15.9 cu.ft.
EPA interior volume
107.1 cu.ft.
125.3 cu.ft.
Curb weight
2641 lbs.
4024 lbs.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 07-22-2011 at 12:08 PM.
07-22-2011, 12:01 PM
#482
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Can we please stop talking about Civic in this thread?
It's like comparing apples vs Romanesco Broccoli. It's that weird and inappropriate.
It's like comparing apples vs Romanesco Broccoli. It's that weird and inappropriate.
07-22-2011, 12:10 PM
#483
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No that would be like comparing a McLaren MP4-25 to a Genesis. They both have four wheels, a V8, and a steering wheel but that's where it ends.
07-22-2011, 01:11 PM
#486
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07-22-2011, 05:32 PM
#488
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...125339768.html
Also, Hyundai ranked above avg. and higher than the Japanese brands in JD Power's CSI survey which takes into account dealership service in the 1st 3 years of ownership.
For coupe will get a significantly more changes to the sheetmetal than the sedan did for its refresh.
And will be getting the GDI 3.8 engine and likely the 2.0T turbo.
The 5.0 won't happen until the next generation; looks like it may be likely considering that Kia is going to debut 2 diff. concept designs of a V8 coupe at Frankfurt and Detroit.
The next gen Genesis and Equus sedans are set to launch in Korea in 2013, w/ the GenCoupe to launch a year later (so, I'm figuring a 2014 launch for the Genesis sedan in the US).
Anyway, someone put a downpayment on an R-Spec and is supposed to pick it up early next week.
Considering only 1,200 R-Specs are slated for the US, I got a feeling they are going to go quickly.
07-22-2011, 09:19 PM
#489
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LMAO @ the Civic comparisons. Here you have a dude in his 40s with three kids and needs a larger sedan but for some reason a Civic keeps getting thrown into the mix.
He's set on the Genny. Let's just hope these damn things hit the ground already!
He's set on the Genny. Let's just hope these damn things hit the ground already!
07-24-2011, 09:44 AM
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07-27-2011, 05:59 PM
#492
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According to this article, under $45k, you should get a brand new CTS or an used Porsche Cayman. 
http://www.motortrend.com/features/m...ion/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/m...ion/index.html
07-27-2011, 06:23 PM
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According to this article, under $45k, you should get a brand new CTS or an used Porsche Cayman.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/m...ion/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/m...ion/index.html
for $45kA Cayman?
And where exactly do I put the kids?You guys with the ridiculous car suggestions need to put the pipe down.
07-27-2011, 06:29 PM
#494
I drive a Subata.
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No worries, according to Google, Cayman comes with about 14.5 cubic ft. You can put your kids in there, if you have to.
07-27-2011, 06:55 PM
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07-27-2011, 08:11 PM
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07-27-2011, 08:31 PM
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07-27-2011, 08:36 PM
#499
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According to this article, under $45k, you should get a brand new CTS or an used Porsche Cayman.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/m...ion/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/m...ion/index.html
08-04-2011, 03:30 PM
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Saw an R-Spec on the freeway yesterday .. looked pretty sleek and still had dealer plates / sticker
Too bad the guy didn't get on it .. I really wanted to hear what it sounded like.
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08-04-2011, 04:40 PM
#501
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whats the problem with porsche again??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mflDXdjqKz4
my kids better learn to sit in the back of that car one day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mflDXdjqKz4
my kids better learn to sit in the back of that car one day
08-06-2011, 10:59 PM
#502
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Bump. Any updates?
08-07-2011, 09:55 AM
#503
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whats the problem with porsche again??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mflDXdjqKz4
my kids better learn to sit in the back of that car one day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mflDXdjqKz4
my kids better learn to sit in the back of that car one day
08-07-2011, 10:32 PM
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Had a slight bump in the road work wise last week but I think things are looking up. Financial Services industry is going through major pains right now with the market instability.
Saw that a dealer in Alexandria,VA had a Titanium Gray R-Spec in their inventory.
Saw that a dealer in Alexandria,VA had a Titanium Gray R-Spec in their inventory.
08-08-2011, 03:21 PM
#505
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This depends on your definition of "near", as alot of folks on these forums get highly dramatic with their descriptions and definitions. So instead lets get to the actual numbers of the Genesis/Civic dimensions. The first row is the Civic and the second is the Genesis for each dimension. As shown the interior dimensions of the Civic are within 10%, the interior volume is about 85% of a Genesis.
So to me the differences are not that great (<10%). It amazes me how much interior room is on some modern compact cars. The engineers do a excellent job of efficiently using all the space they can. Consider the fact that the Civic is only 65% of the weight of the Genesis. It's obvious the Genesis has alot of other stuff (V8, features,...).
Front head room
39.0 in.
40.4 in.
Front hip room
50.5 in.
54.9 in.
Front leg room
42.0 in.
44.3 in.
Front shoulder room
56.6 in.
58.3 in.
Rear hip Room
51.4 in.
54.3 in.
Rear head room
37.1 in.
37.7 in.
Rear leg room
36.2 in.
38.6 in.
Rear shoulder room
53.3 in.
57.9 in.
Width
69.0 in.
74.4 in.
Height
56.5 in.
58.3 in.
Length
177.3 in.
196.3 in.
Front track
59.0 in.
63.1 in.
Rear track
59.9 in.
63.8 in.
Wheel base
105.1 in.
115.6 in.
Cargo capacity, all seats in place
12.5 cu.ft.
15.9 cu.ft.
EPA interior volume
107.1 cu.ft.
125.3 cu.ft.
Curb weight
2641 lbs.
4024 lbs.
So to me the differences are not that great (<10%). It amazes me how much interior room is on some modern compact cars. The engineers do a excellent job of efficiently using all the space they can. Consider the fact that the Civic is only 65% of the weight of the Genesis. It's obvious the Genesis has alot of other stuff (V8, features,...).
Front head room
39.0 in.
40.4 in.
Front hip room
50.5 in.
54.9 in.
Front leg room
42.0 in.
44.3 in.
Front shoulder room
56.6 in.
58.3 in.
Rear hip Room
51.4 in.
54.3 in.
Rear head room
37.1 in.
37.7 in.
Rear leg room
36.2 in.
38.6 in.
Rear shoulder room
53.3 in.
57.9 in.
Width
69.0 in.
74.4 in.
Height
56.5 in.
58.3 in.
Length
177.3 in.
196.3 in.
Front track
59.0 in.
63.1 in.
Rear track
59.9 in.
63.8 in.
Wheel base
105.1 in.
115.6 in.
Cargo capacity, all seats in place
12.5 cu.ft.
15.9 cu.ft.
EPA interior volume
107.1 cu.ft.
125.3 cu.ft.
Curb weight
2641 lbs.
4024 lbs.
08-08-2011, 03:35 PM
#506
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08-08-2011, 03:40 PM
#507
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Just like you comparing a Genesis sedan to a Civic and trying to justify the numbers saying they within 10%. There is No doubt they have gotten good at making small cars bigger inside, but one can not compare the interior volume by the numbers on paper of the 2.
08-08-2011, 03:43 PM
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Hey Neil, How are the Hyundai dealers by you? My dad had his windshield crack over the weekend (with this being his first problem) (very hot day) when he started the car and cranked the AC. He went to the dealer to take care of some 60k service at 65k (he mentioned the windshield and not seeing a crack) and he got back into the car later that day to them having replaced his windshield free of charge.
08-08-2011, 03:50 PM
#509
R-spec, amazing specs with GDI... like wow. What kills it for me is the brand. They should make a new line.. Leave Hyundai as generic, and make a new cool brand.
08-08-2011, 03:59 PM
#510
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08-08-2011, 04:03 PM
#511
^ How can you compare any car to a civic? I did an 4 hour trip on a civic with 3 of my friends.. We could barely get out of the car. Our backs, necks and legs were killing us. We felt like we battled for hours.
I rather drive an Aztec, yes it is the fugliest thing ever put on wheels but at least it has more comfort than a civic
I rather drive an Aztec, yes it is the fugliest thing ever put on wheels but at least it has more comfort than a civic
08-08-2011, 04:04 PM
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08-08-2011, 04:07 PM
#513
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/2...us/experience/
08-08-2011, 04:14 PM
#514
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^ How can you compare any car to a civic? I did an 4 hour trip on a civic with 3 of my friends.. We could barely get out of the car. Our backs, necks and legs were killing us. We felt like we battled for hours.
I rather drive an Aztec, yes it is the fugliest thing ever put on wheels but at least it has more comfort than a civic
I rather drive an Aztec, yes it is the fugliest thing ever put on wheels but at least it has more comfort than a civic
I'm 6'4" and also did a road-trip to Detroit in a friend's 86 Civc with two other folks who were 6'+. We were cramped for sure, but had no problem getting out. I suggest yoga and Pilates.
Folks get all dramatized over this size thing it's amusing. There are two Genesis's at work, they are big inside but not enormous by any means. A neighbor had a A8L, it was big but I had more room in the 2nd row of a another neighbor's 3G Oddy. If you want alot of room get a mini-van, that's room to me.
Back to the OP topic, the interior on the Genesis is very nice. Gives Lexus a run, haven't had a chance to look at the details yet.
08-08-2011, 05:26 PM
#515
Depends on the Civic, a 9G > 8G > 7G ...
I'm 6'4" and also did a road-trip to Detroit in a friend's 86 Civc with two other folks who were 6'+. We were cramped for sure, but had no problem getting out. I suggest yoga and Pilates.
Folks get all dramatized over this size thing it's amusing. There are two Genesis's at work, they are big inside but not enormous by any means. A neighbor had a A8L, it was big but I had more room in the 2nd row of a another neighbor's 3G Oddy. If you want alot of room get a mini-van, that's room to me.
Back to the OP topic, the interior on the Genesis is very nice. Gives Lexus a run, haven't had a chance to look at the details yet.
I'm 6'4" and also did a road-trip to Detroit in a friend's 86 Civc with two other folks who were 6'+. We were cramped for sure, but had no problem getting out. I suggest yoga and Pilates.
Folks get all dramatized over this size thing it's amusing. There are two Genesis's at work, they are big inside but not enormous by any means. A neighbor had a A8L, it was big but I had more room in the 2nd row of a another neighbor's 3G Oddy. If you want alot of room get a mini-van, that's room to me.
Back to the OP topic, the interior on the Genesis is very nice. Gives Lexus a run, haven't had a chance to look at the details yet.
I do long trips in M37, I come out refreshed and ready to go. Same was in my 08TL-S. It's not about the space at all, plenty of space in the civic, it's the damn seats.
08-08-2011, 06:36 PM
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Just kidding. I feel you on the stress of the financial services industry. I'm sure your co. is getting bazillions of calls from panicking sheeple. I'm staying put with my stocks....and buying more when things bottom out. I've got 20+ years to retirement, so I'll make out like a bandit.
08-09-2011, 11:02 AM
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DO IT. For us, the unwashed of the Internet.
Just kidding. I feel you on the stress of the financial services industry. I'm sure your co. is getting bazillions of calls from panicking sheeple. I'm staying put with my stocks....and buying more when things bottom out. I've got 20+ years to retirement, so I'll make out like a bandit.
Just kidding. I feel you on the stress of the financial services industry. I'm sure your co. is getting bazillions of calls from panicking sheeple. I'm staying put with my stocks....and buying more when things bottom out. I've got 20+ years to retirement, so I'll make out like a bandit.
08-09-2011, 11:42 AM
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Sorry to read of it.
08-09-2011, 12:54 PM
#519
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Bad news. Sorry to hear about that. Hang in there with the job search.
08-09-2011, 01:37 PM
#520
AZ Community Team
Hope you find new work soon