Tesla: Model 3 News
#721
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It’s a very valid question and I’m sure we all will have differing opinions. For whatever it’s worth my iPhone not only tracks where I’m going it also predicts where I’m gonna go in a day of the week. It’s a sort of exciting as well as unnerving in the beginning but now I don’t care about it much. From what I see, this invasion of privacy is part of modern living. You can push back on it or embrace it if you feel like it.
It is not limited to Tesla as mentioned by several others. Every auto makers, every electronic device in your home or in person does this.
Think of it as a resource. Maybe if you break down in the middle of nowhere, these guys will know where to find you. I heard a story about a stolen Tesla which was eventually located in a cargo ship headed to Russia (it was retrieved at an international port where it docked enroute).
It is not limited to Tesla as mentioned by several others. Every auto makers, every electronic device in your home or in person does this.
Think of it as a resource. Maybe if you break down in the middle of nowhere, these guys will know where to find you. I heard a story about a stolen Tesla which was eventually located in a cargo ship headed to Russia (it was retrieved at an international port where it docked enroute).
From a new MSRP perspective I would imagine so...high 3-second 0-60 range....without going into the used/modded market....is there anything faster in 0-60 at a cheaper rate??....
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^ Outside of the few motorcycles that are regulars on here, probably not.
IIRC, the Vulcan in my garage is around a mid to low 4 sec 0-60, and it's only a 650cc 'cruiser'
IIRC, the Vulcan in my garage is around a mid to low 4 sec 0-60, and it's only a 650cc 'cruiser'
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Lot of other bikes can easily hit 4-second mark for less than $5k
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Even an R1, which IIRC can do something like 90mph in 1st and they're just a bit under $20k.
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SV650 checking in. Theoretically quicker that 3.2 sec to 60. But I bet clutch play would have a lot to do with me seeing Kurt's tail lights.
I had a buddy take me out in a WRX he was tuning for a fast run. He was super stoked and I just kept thinking, yeah but it's not bike fast...
That Tesla performance might make me second guess those words because that's firmly in bike fast territory.
I had a buddy take me out in a WRX he was tuning for a fast run. He was super stoked and I just kept thinking, yeah but it's not bike fast...
That Tesla performance might make me second guess those words because that's firmly in bike fast territory.
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#726
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Yeah bikes highly dependent on rider skill.
A grandma can get consistent 0-60s in a Tesla...just mash the right pedal to floor and hold on.
With a bike you gotta know what you're doing...which can't be bought with money...need skill and seat time.
A grandma can get consistent 0-60s in a Tesla...just mash the right pedal to floor and hold on.
With a bike you gotta know what you're doing...which can't be bought with money...need skill and seat time.
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Don't want to loop that turbo BUSA.
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One of the Tesla Model 3's more prominent design flaws is a rear bumper cover that is prone to being stripped from the car when water is allowed to accumulate inside it, either from standing water or intense downpours. Owners of brand-new Model 3s have reportedly paid thousands of dollars to replace their bumpers (and repair the damage to other parts done by their separation) as a result of what Tesla now tacitly acknowledges is an engineering defect.
InsideEVs reports that Tesla has issued a service bulletin noting that Model 3s built before May 21, 2019, may sustain damage as a result of "driving through standing water on a road or highway with poor drainage or pooling water."
"In these rare instances, the rear fascia might detach from the vehicle and harnesses and/or body fasteners/mounts might also be damaged," it continues. "This document clarifies that damage caused during these instances is covered under warranty."
So, what happened on May 21, 2019? Per the source above, reddit sleuths managed to pin down that date as the transition to a new design for the lower liner of the rear bumper cover. The new part includes a pre-cut section designed to be removed for the installation of a tow hitch.
This cut-out appears to improve the bumper liner's drainage capacity, but at least one owner has reported a bumper cover separation on a vehicle manufactured in 2020 and provided photographic evidence that the installed bumper liner was indeed of the revised design; that owner paid $3,800 to have the resulting damage repaired.
InsideEVs reports that Tesla has issued a service bulletin noting that Model 3s built before May 21, 2019, may sustain damage as a result of "driving through standing water on a road or highway with poor drainage or pooling water."
"In these rare instances, the rear fascia might detach from the vehicle and harnesses and/or body fasteners/mounts might also be damaged," it continues. "This document clarifies that damage caused during these instances is covered under warranty."
So, what happened on May 21, 2019? Per the source above, reddit sleuths managed to pin down that date as the transition to a new design for the lower liner of the rear bumper cover. The new part includes a pre-cut section designed to be removed for the installation of a tow hitch.
This cut-out appears to improve the bumper liner's drainage capacity, but at least one owner has reported a bumper cover separation on a vehicle manufactured in 2020 and provided photographic evidence that the installed bumper liner was indeed of the revised design; that owner paid $3,800 to have the resulting damage repaired.
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So...why is this a service bulletin and not a recall? Seems like a safety hazard lol.
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AZ Community Team
Oh yeah...2-wheeled vehicles don't count...lol. We know those things are definitely some of the highest bang for your buck......one of my potential future toy is a 2nd gen Yamaha VMAX...I believe with a skilled rider that thing can get to 0-60 in just about 3 second flat and at a price between 5k-10k...and you get the comfortable seating position of a cruiser while walking all kinds of cars/bikes all day (up to certain speed....and except for certain high hp 4wd/awd vehicles that can launch like crazy...aka trackhawks...)
Lot of other bikes can easily hit 4-second mark for less than $5k
Lot of other bikes can easily hit 4-second mark for less than $5k
1985 VF500F is my first and only bike (still own it), came close to getting a R1 in 2004 (probably woulda hurt myself if I went through with it)
SV650 checking in. Theoretically quicker that 3.2 sec to 60. But I bet clutch play would have a lot to do with me seeing Kurt's tail lights.
I had a buddy take me out in a WRX he was tuning for a fast run. He was super stoked and I just kept thinking, yeah but it's not bike fast...
That Tesla performance might make me second guess those words because that's firmly in bike fast territory.
I had a buddy take me out in a WRX he was tuning for a fast run. He was super stoked and I just kept thinking, yeah but it's not bike fast...
That Tesla performance might make me second guess those words because that's firmly in bike fast territory.
Have only been in a Tesla S two times as a passenger, acceleration is impressive.
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#735
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So with the latest design refresh Tesla added a hidden USB port in the glovebox. This is so you can connect a flash drive to it for Sentry mode and then lock the glovebox so the thief can't steal the flash drive. That's one of the downsides of Sentry mode that the video data is stored on an external drive connected to the USB ports. I've not heard any stories of thieves being smart enough to know to steal the flash drive but it's possible. New 3s are coming with a 64GB flash drive to use for Sentry Mode, and there was an update recently that allows you to put a PIN code on the glovebox lock.
Also the Model 3 is getting the double paned windows, it's showing up in China already
Also the Model 3 is getting the double paned windows, it's showing up in China already
#736
First Tesla yellow cab starts in NY
The first Tesla model 3 yellow cab taxi has started operating in New York City. Imagine the profit margin’s for the operator (well until Robotaxis hit the roads).
https://electrek.co/2020/11/06/first...yc-yellow-cab/
https://electrek.co/2020/11/06/first...yc-yellow-cab/
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Nice about the USB port. Always thought it would’ve been too easy to grab an attach drive
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Double pane window would mean better sound isolation and better for the car to maintain cabin temps?
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Sound, yes. Temps...maybe.
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Both yes, doubling the thickness will increase its R-value
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Is the dual panes supposed to make it more ball bearing resistant now too?
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This might explain some or most of the recent range increase or maybe it’s about to increase again? Tesla confirmed that the 3 has the Octavalve and heat pump which was expected to account for most of the 10% range increase. The Y hasn’t seen a 5% range increase so maybe more upgrades are to come shortly? This wouldn’t be the first time the made significant changes shortly after making big changes. MKBHD tells the story of buying the refreshed S P100D as soon as they announced it thinking there wouldn’t be any new changes for a while, then 2 weeks later they added autopilot and the 8 cameras to the S and he bought his in between the time the refresh was announced and the autopilot 2 weeks later.
My guess is that one of their suppliers wasn’t ready to go and was holding up the autopilot being included initially with the refresh so instead of stopping production for a few weeks while they waited on their supplier they went with what they had and added the autopilot when the supplier was ready. Maybe that’s what’s happening with the 82 kWh battery they can’t stop production and wait for that so things get a little out of sync for a period of time. Or I could be talking out of my ass and the 350 mi range is all because of the improved battery and not the HVAC improvements
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This might explain some or most of the recent range increase or maybe it’s about to increase again? Tesla confirmed that the 3 has the Octavalve and heat pump which was expected to account for most of the 10% range increase. The Y hasn’t seen a 5% range increase so maybe more upgrades are to come shortly? This wouldn’t be the first time the made significant changes shortly after making big changes. MKBHD tells the story of buying the refreshed S P100D as soon as they announced it thinking there wouldn’t be any new changes for a while, then 2 weeks later they added autopilot and the 8 cameras to the S and he bought his in between the time the refresh was announced and the autopilot 2 weeks later.
My guess is that one of their suppliers wasn’t ready to go and was holding up the autopilot being included initially with the refresh so instead of stopping production for a few weeks while they waited on their supplier they went with what they had and added the autopilot when the supplier was ready. Maybe that’s what’s happening with the 82 kWh battery they can’t stop production and wait for that so things get a little out of sync for a period of time. Or I could be talking out of my ass and the 350 mi range is all because of the improved battery and not the HVAC improvements
My guess is that one of their suppliers wasn’t ready to go and was holding up the autopilot being included initially with the refresh so instead of stopping production for a few weeks while they waited on their supplier they went with what they had and added the autopilot when the supplier was ready. Maybe that’s what’s happening with the 82 kWh battery they can’t stop production and wait for that so things get a little out of sync for a period of time. Or I could be talking out of my ass and the 350 mi range is all because of the improved battery and not the HVAC improvements
i wanna say its this....
any extra range regardless of how they got it would be fine with me.
I really hope the EV tax cut comes back. That would heavily influence me picking up a LR 3
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Absolutely, I'd love that credit if it'll help me reduce the roasting from IRS due next year. LOL
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It wouldn't be fine with you if you bought one of the old styles a week before the new ones started up.
#746
Sanest Florida Man
I'm kinda leaning towards another 5% range bump which would bump the battery up to about 78kwh usable and with their current efficiency of 4.7mi(EPA)/kWh they'd be at 367mi EPA range.
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#748
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For that sort of thing it's probably a wash like you said but the other example of cameras and other major hardware function would piss me off.
#749
I’d hope that they had made similar improvements in the Y as well. So can we expect any more range increases?
#750
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Yeah eventually as they upgrade the battery lines at Giga 1 they'll expand it to all vehicles that use the 2170. I'd imagine that the S and X would get it at some point but those batteries are made in Japan.
Panasonic says the plan to improve energy density by 20% over the next 5 years.
Additionally they said they were going to start making 4680 cells
Panasonic says the plan to improve energy density by 20% over the next 5 years.
Additionally they said they were going to start making 4680 cells
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#751
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This would also bump the base model to 275mi range
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Just as quietly as it had materialized on the EV automaker's menu, the near-mythical $35,000 Tesla Model 3 is no longer available for order after the 2021 model refresh, Electrek reports. Elon Musk touted the $35,000 model for years as the EV everyone would be able to afford. The bare-bones Tesla Model 3 took some time to become available after Model 3 production began while Tesla focused on the more-expensive versions for financial reasons. When it did appear, the $35,000 Standard Range model was offered online only for a short period before being removed from the online menu in April 2019, after first being offered in February that year. That's right: the $35,000 version was available for order online for just a few weeks before it became an item one had to spend some extra effort tracking down.
The $35,000 model ($36,200 with destination) then became available only through store or phone orders from April 2019 onward. But even that version was not quite the same as the actual $35,000 model: it was a Standard Range Plus model with some features locked out through software, as Electrek notes. So Tesla actually built the real $35,000 for a short period before offering a higher-spec version with some present but software-locked features.
The $35,000 Model 3 was a bit of a thorny issue for the automaker when it came to publicity efforts half a decade ago. On one hand politicians often mentioned the $35,000 sticker as an example of an affordable EV, built right here in the U.S. But Elon Musk himself at times cautioned when promoting it that it would be a rare item in practice when it did go on sale. His claim was that owners would prefer to spec up their cars with a few more comforts. So the $35,000 model's popular image was much larger than the role it would actually play in Tesla's lineup even before it debuted.
And it should be noted the role it has ended up playing when it did go on sale was dramatically different from how prospective owners and green-minded politicians viewed it when it was first promised: Not as an electric Model T for the masses, but as a secret menu item for those few buyers who did not want to splurge on a better-equipped version.
So the bare-bones version ended up accounting for a tiny percentage of all Model 3 orders, and was definitely not the car promised to get the public into EVs en masse. But the rest of the Model 3 range, with long-range and performance variants often priced above $45,000 out the door, had much more success doing exactly this.
What's the least expensive Model 3 now?
The Standard Range Plus, weighing in at $37,990 plus $1,200 for destination. Priced just over $39,000 out the door this version is quite close in many respects to the long-promised $39,000 model, but even Tesla itself has been looking to field a sub-Model 3 vehicle to compete with lower-priced EVs such as the Nissan Leaf and the Chevy Bolt. And it will soon face stiff competition from Volkswagen, about to launch the ID.4 pocket SUV in the U.S., after launching the smaller ID.3 hatch in Europe.
Will Tesla still wish to compete in the sub-$30,000 EV segment, or leave that to others, including several Chinese automakers eager to dominate this price range in their home market?
The $35,000 model ($36,200 with destination) then became available only through store or phone orders from April 2019 onward. But even that version was not quite the same as the actual $35,000 model: it was a Standard Range Plus model with some features locked out through software, as Electrek notes. So Tesla actually built the real $35,000 for a short period before offering a higher-spec version with some present but software-locked features.
The $35,000 Model 3 was a bit of a thorny issue for the automaker when it came to publicity efforts half a decade ago. On one hand politicians often mentioned the $35,000 sticker as an example of an affordable EV, built right here in the U.S. But Elon Musk himself at times cautioned when promoting it that it would be a rare item in practice when it did go on sale. His claim was that owners would prefer to spec up their cars with a few more comforts. So the $35,000 model's popular image was much larger than the role it would actually play in Tesla's lineup even before it debuted.
And it should be noted the role it has ended up playing when it did go on sale was dramatically different from how prospective owners and green-minded politicians viewed it when it was first promised: Not as an electric Model T for the masses, but as a secret menu item for those few buyers who did not want to splurge on a better-equipped version.
So the bare-bones version ended up accounting for a tiny percentage of all Model 3 orders, and was definitely not the car promised to get the public into EVs en masse. But the rest of the Model 3 range, with long-range and performance variants often priced above $45,000 out the door, had much more success doing exactly this.
What's the least expensive Model 3 now?
The Standard Range Plus, weighing in at $37,990 plus $1,200 for destination. Priced just over $39,000 out the door this version is quite close in many respects to the long-promised $39,000 model, but even Tesla itself has been looking to field a sub-Model 3 vehicle to compete with lower-priced EVs such as the Nissan Leaf and the Chevy Bolt. And it will soon face stiff competition from Volkswagen, about to launch the ID.4 pocket SUV in the U.S., after launching the smaller ID.3 hatch in Europe.
Will Tesla still wish to compete in the sub-$30,000 EV segment, or leave that to others, including several Chinese automakers eager to dominate this price range in their home market?
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womp womp. Why can't these EV companies compete with lower cost cars? What a bunch of trash products.
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That’s because they are working on the $25,000 model now. .
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so it'll be more like a 30K model?
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You'll need to have a minmum # of twitter likes for Elon Musk, follows Tesla on YouTube/IG/Twitter, and you'll get a 90min window every even numbered Tuesdays and you'll get a link sent to your social media from Tesla accounts that you can click to order.
*Some restrictions may apply. Offer good while supplies last. Limited time only. Not available where prohibited. Individual results may vary. Price not guaranteed. See store for further details on odd numbered Wednesdays. Always consult your doctor to see if a Tesla is right for you.
*Some restrictions may apply. Offer good while supplies last. Limited time only. Not available where prohibited. Individual results may vary. Price not guaranteed. See store for further details on odd numbered Wednesdays. Always consult your doctor to see if a Tesla is right for you.
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No, it'll be $25k*
*car will be refurbished old stock and may not be delivered in new condition or in factory packaging. Miles on odometer cannot be guaranteed. Items including but not limited to roof and bumper attachment, paint condition, panel alignment cannot be guaranteed. limited availability. must request purchase via twitter.
*car will be refurbished old stock and may not be delivered in new condition or in factory packaging. Miles on odometer cannot be guaranteed. Items including but not limited to roof and bumper attachment, paint condition, panel alignment cannot be guaranteed. limited availability. must request purchase via twitter.