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I’d expect the future Model 3 with the 4680 battery pack to have an efficiency of at least 5mi/kWh and a charge rate of at least 300kw leading to at least a 1500 MPH charge rate
Pretty good price to be quicker than basically every other non-Tesla car on the road.
you'll have an on demand rollercoaster at your foot, and you'll be a sleeper, your car looks like it has a 7sec 0-60, nah, every M series BMW, mustang, can get fucked. As quick as an SLS AMG for 1/4 the price
Pretty good price to be quicker than basically every other non-Tesla car on the road.
you'll have an on demand rollercoaster at your foot, and you'll be a sleeper, your car looks like it has a 7sec 0-60, nah, every M series BMW, mustang, can get fucked. As quick as an SLS AMG for 1/4 the price
Some have stuck their head in sand by continuing with ICE comparisons. You’re an embarrassment.
They are both software updates you moron.
Stop embarrassing yourself driving around in your shitty RDX. Either buy a fucking Tesla or get bent. Time to put your money where your mouth is.
Originally Posted by kurtatx
Honestly, the best part of the keycard is the price.
If you lose or break your key fob, you’re fucked to the tune of between $100 and $300. If you lose your Tesla key, they’ll replace it for $10.
And honestly, with it being a key card, you just slide it behind your drivers license and forget it’s there.
With keyless entry and start being pretty common these days I hope more manufacturers start doing this as well. It really makes no sense to have a real fob anymore, no one unlocks the car from a distance anyway.
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
The 10% range/efficiency increase not only means more range and lower operating cost it also means faster charging speeds. The 3 still has a 74 kWh battery so it’s efficiency is now 353 mi/74 kWh = 4.77mi/kWh (better efficiency than the Lucid Air for 1/3 the cost). This means when a model 3 is charging at it’s peak rate of 250kw it’s adding range at about 1200mi/hr.
250kw*4.77mi/kWh = 1193 MPH
The charging speed is the same. How far you can go on a charge is different.
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
I’d expect the future Model 3 with the 4680 battery pack to have an efficiency of at least 5mi/kWh and a charge rate of at least 300kw leading to at least a 1500 MPH charge rate
Based on what data? We've had this discussion before, you're just pulling numbers out of your ass.
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Pretty good price to be quicker than basically every other non-Tesla car on the road.
you'll have an on demand rollercoaster at your foot, and you'll be a sleeper, your car looks like it has a 7sec 0-60, nah, every M series BMW, mustang, can get fucked. As quick as an SLS AMG for 1/4 the price
TBH, I'd still take the SLS.
The Model 3 is wicked fast but at this point everyone knows it so it's not all that surprising.
Yep, just a passthrough from what I recall (or you could buy the accessory).
I like that the door slides, compared to the older flip door, but whats keeping your phone in place while driving? My phone shoots out of the center console in my VW when I accelerate - surely a more torquey EV will do the same.
Stop embarrassing yourself driving around in your shitty RDX. Either buy a fucking Tesla or get bent. Time to put your money where your mouth is.
In that case, you also should stop talking about any other car that you don’t own. I’m not in the market for any car right now. Whenever I’m ready to buy, I’ll do it and it’ll be a Tesla for sure.
You’ve resorted to name calling and it’s time for you to go on ignore list. Keeping a discussion civil doesn’t appear to be your forte. Bye.
Yep, just a passthrough from what I recall (or you could buy the accessory).
I like that the door slides, compared to the older flip door, but whats keeping your phone in place while driving? My phone shoots out of the center console in my VW when I accelerate - surely a more torquey EV will do the same.
I'm 50/50 on the new console for that reason. The magnetic center console and the piano black is gone (good). The door that covers the phone charger is gone (bad)
One of my fav things about driving an EV is that you can always make a yellow light. With an ICE vehicle there's always that lag between when you hit the accelerator and your car drops a couple gears and the RPMs go from 1.5k to 4k and depending on your car that lag might be slow enough that your car can't accelerate fast enough to make the light. With a Tesla and the instant torque when you're in that range between braking or accelerating you'll make the light every time; and actually that range is much bigger with a Tesla because you can be even further away and still make it thanks to the instant acceleration.
I got to experience that once when I was driving my friend's 3, we were coming up to a light and it turned yellow, my initial reaction was the brake because I was driving someone else's car but then I remembered I was in a Tesla and stomped on the accelerator my head hit the headrest and I flew through that light, that shit was dope. They had encouraged me to floor it before, so I knew they wouldn't mind.
With a 3.7s 0-60 you could be 300ft away and make that light
One of my fav things about driving an EV is that you can always make a yellow light. With an ICE vehicle there's always that lag between when you hit the accelerator and your car drops a couple gears and the RPMs go from 1.5k to 4k and depending on your car that lag might be slow enough that your car can't accelerate fast enough to make the light. With a Tesla and the instant torque when you're in that range between braking or accelerating you'll make the light every time; and actually that range is much bigger with a Tesla because you can be even further away and still make it thanks to the instant acceleration.
I got to experience that once when I was driving my friend's 3, we were coming up to a light and it turned yellow, my initial reaction was the brake because I was driving someone else's car but then I remembered I was in a Tesla and stomped on the accelerator my head hit the headrest and I flew through that light, that shit was dope. They had encouraged me to floor it before, so I knew they wouldn't mind.
With a 3.7s 0-60 you could be 300ft away and make that light
geezus, a yellow light doesnt mean you should stomp on the "gas" pedal
One of my fav things about driving an EV is that you can always make a yellow light. With an ICE vehicle there's always that lag between when you hit the accelerator and your car drops a couple gears and the RPMs go from 1.5k to 4k and depending on your car that lag might be slow enough that your car can't accelerate fast enough to make the light. With a Tesla and the instant torque when you're in that range between braking or accelerating you'll make the light every time; and actually that range is much bigger with a Tesla because you can be even further away and still make it thanks to the instant acceleration.
I got to experience that once when I was driving my friend's 3, we were coming up to a light and it turned yellow, my initial reaction was the brake because I was driving someone else's car but then I remembered I was in a Tesla and stomped on the accelerator my head hit the headrest and I flew through that light, that shit was dope. They had encouraged me to floor it before, so I knew they wouldn't mind.
With a 3.7s 0-60 you could be 300ft away and make that light
In that case, you also should stop talking about any other car that you don’t own. I’m not in the market for any car right now. Whenever I’m ready to buy, I’ll do it and it’ll be a Tesla for sure.
You’ve resorted to name calling and it’s time for you to go on ignore list. Keeping a discussion civil doesn’t appear to be your forte. Bye.
kthx byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
For the record, I don't go on and on about how a Tesla is better than a Pagani or a McLaren for a reason.
Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Gents, keep it civil & on topic.
Leave the name-calling & personal attacks at the door.
hm... just noticed that there quite a few new (since i last looked) incentives within CA for a Model 3.
There was a grant (which already ran out of funding) offering a $5500-9500 grant depending on your income. 5500 was for a single person making max 51K and 9500 for a single person making 29K...
Honestly don't think anyone making 29K or even 51K should be buying a Model 3 even with the grant. Not really a wise purchase IMO especially in CA.
There was another program that offers $5000 but that also caps income at $51K
I did see that CA is still offering $2K rebate and PG&E offering $800 as well that puts me closer to a 35K purchase price
just thinking out load, and im cheep so i wouldnt actually get one.
Honestly don't think anyone making 29K or even 51K should be buying a Model 3 even with the grant. Not really a wise purchase IMO especially in CA.
There was another program that offers $5000 but that also caps income at $51K
I did see that CA is still offering $2K rebate and PG&E offering $800 as well that puts me closer to a 35K purchase price
just thinking out load, and im cheep so i wouldnt actually get one.
Whenever there are incentives, folks have creative ways to get them - a high income person could pay a very low income person to buy the car for them and collect the grant on their behalf.
Honestly, the best part of the keycard is the price.
If you lose or break your key fob, you’re fucked to the tune of between $100 and $300. If you lose your Tesla key, they’ll replace it for $10.
And honestly, with it being a key card, you just slide it behind your drivers license and forget it’s there.
Something that I've been interested in asking about opinions of big fans of Tesla...and this is not tongue-in-cheek or patronizing....but something I think is worth discussing that may not be comfortable.
And that is all this convenience of having a phone app and the card and basically having a "headquarter" of your car that Tesla essentially controls to be able to give end-users lot of convenience.
This seems to come at a cost of privacy. I remember reading that Tesla announced months ago all their cars have logged over a billion miles and it was a big celebratory moment...but I was thinking...what the heck, they can basically track miles of all the cars and I'm sure they likely have GPS and location and other data logs of the car users also (music they listen to, what they browse online or what games they play, driving habits, etc...)
And this is not just limited to Teslas...clearly ICE cars have tons of software and I'm sure data collection as well that is not fully aware of by the drivers and if so...you cannot opt out of it (easily?)
I remember also reading that in a TOS of Tesla, if you opt out of data collection by Tesla..you essentially lose lot of the functionality (updates, etc.) of the car.
So even more than just the standard fare of criticism...I am genuinely curious for @Comfy and @kurtatx and everyone to chime in on this topic.
Given how Google and Facebook and everything internet-connected is horrible at protecting user data and privacy...this is one giant part of Tesla that does not sit well with me at all. And this is ironic given many Tesla fans are also very tech-savvy and presumably these demographic of drivers are also more left-leaning in their politics and so may care more about data privacy...
I'm curious to see everyone's thoughts on this topic?
Umm...it's a quick car, no doubt. But, no. There's a few folks here with ICE cars that are faster. There's NSX's, Hellcat Widebodies, and 911 Turbos on here.
Originally Posted by nist7
Something that I've been interested in asking about opinions of big fans of Tesla...and this is not tongue-in-cheek or patronizing....but something I think is worth discussing that may not be comfortable.
And that is all this convenience of having a phone app and the card and basically having a "headquarter" of your car that Tesla essentially controls to be able to give end-users lot of convenience.
This seems to come at a cost of privacy. I remember reading that Tesla announced months ago all their cars have logged over a billion miles and it was a big celebratory moment...but I was thinking...what the heck, they can basically track miles of all the cars and I'm sure they likely have GPS and location and other data logs of the car users also (music they listen to, what they browse online or what games they play, driving habits, etc...)
And this is not just limited to Teslas...clearly ICE cars have tons of software and I'm sure data collection as well that is not fully aware of by the drivers and if so...you cannot opt out of it (easily?)
I remember also reading that in a TOS of Tesla, if you opt out of data collection by Tesla..you essentially lose lot of the functionality (updates, etc.) of the car.
So even more than just the standard fare of criticism...I am genuinely curious for @Comfy and @kurtatx and everyone to chime in on this topic.
Given how Google and Facebook and everything internet-connected is horrible at protecting user data and privacy...this is one giant part of Tesla that does not sit well with me at all. And this is ironic given many Tesla fans are also very tech-savvy and presumably these demographic of drivers are also more left-leaning in their politics and so may care more about data privacy...
I'm curious to see everyone's thoughts on this topic?
It all comes down to what they're tracking. If it's simply miles, every manufacturer does that. DMVs do that. Insurance companies do it too. It's a harmless and pretty nondescript data point.
If they're tracking destinations, when you go there, how often you go, etc - that's a different situation.
It all comes down to what they're tracking. If it's simply miles, every manufacturer does that. DMVs do that. Insurance companies do it too. It's a harmless and pretty nondescript data point.
If they're tracking destinations, when you go there, how often you go, etc - that's a different situation.
Indeed, living in organized society neccessitates some loss of privacy as you alluded to with DMV and insurance companies. I certainly don't believe or want to be an off-the-grid living off the land type of person.
And sure, for some people it may be a "different situation" but I think it's reasonable for consumers like myself who want to protect as much of my personal data as possible even if the companies claim it is not personally identifiable or that seems harmless on cursory glance/inspection. (See Google and Facebook, et. al.)
I don't agree with the notion that "oh well it's happening everywhere anyways, so why worry about it?" I think there's value in always pushing back or at least scrutinize against any corporate data collection that is now intruding into many of our daily lives. Andrew Yang recently made headlines on proposing to treat data as equal as like personal property where each individual should have the right to know and control their data that is being collected about them and how that's used.
Indeed, living in organized society neccessitates some loss of privacy as you alluded to with DMV and insurance companies. I certainly don't believe or want to be an off-the-grid living off the land type of person.
And sure, for some people it may be a "different situation" but I think it's reasonable for consumers like myself who want to protect as much of my personal data as possible even if the companies claim it is not personally identifiable or that seems harmless on cursory glance/inspection. (See Google and Facebook, et. al.)
I don't agree with the notion that "oh well it's happening everywhere anyways, so why worry about it?" I think there's value in always pushing back or at least scrutinize against any corporate data collection that is now intruding into many of our daily lives. Andrew Yang recently made headlines on proposing to treat data as equal as like personal property where each individual should have the right to know and control their data that is being collected about them and how that's used.
I get that, but what about miles driven is personally identifiable? When you sell a car, do you list the current mileage? When you have an inspection done, do you request they not record mileage? What information can anyone glean from mileage on a car? Without origins and destinations, it's a worthless statistic.
Pretty sure they're collecting all that though, it's not just generic "miles accrued". I believe Toyota records all the GPS/Speed/Location/Etc data through their Entune app that you can link your phone to the car with. I learned about that when I got the new truck and thought it'd be a cool feature, but then noped TF out when I realized what they'd be getting from me.
I think it'd be foolish to think that Tesla *isn't* collecting that. Nor any other manufacturer that has free access to a vehicle's computer system. OnStar, etc, they're all doing it.
I get that, but what about miles driven is personally identifiable? When you sell a car, do you list the current mileage? When you have an inspection done, do you request they not record mileage? What information can anyone glean from mileage on a car? Without origins and destinations, it's a worthless statistic.
That was just one example, and I agree that simple mileage tracking is not likely harmful by itself. Though we know that "big data" collects many diff aspects of a person to build a "profile" which can be quite concerning. I have no qualms of listing mileage of a car when I buy or sell my own car. That in and of itself is not worrisome on its own. I'm not hung up on just mileage tracking but was a tweet I saw that got me to start thinking about what ELSE they collect....
But looking at Tesla they do collect lot of other data as well:
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I think it’s a great question, particularly with Sentry Mode and the sheer number of Cameras on the car.
Overall, I’m not super concerned about my privacy. That could change if:
Tesla were to start reporting my behavior to my insurance
Tesla were required to provide that information to local authorities
Also, I have Sentry Mode disabled when I’m at home (I park in a garage) and I don’t do anything inappropriate (See also, @thoiboi) while in the garage.
However, I think you hit it on the head, if you own a GM car released since the late 90s your OnStar is tracking you even if the service is disabled.
Umm...it's a quick car, no doubt. But, no. There's a few folks here with ICE cars that are faster. There's NSX's, Hellcat Widebodies, and 911 Turbos on here.
Something that I've been interested in asking about opinions of big fans of Tesla...and this is not tongue-in-cheek or patronizing....but something I think is worth discussing that may not be comfortable.
And that is all this convenience of having a phone app and the card and basically having a "headquarter" of your car that Tesla essentially controls to be able to give end-users lot of convenience.
This seems to come at a cost of privacy. I remember reading that Tesla announced months ago all their cars have logged over a billion miles and it was a big celebratory moment...but I was thinking...what the heck, they can basically track miles of all the cars and I'm sure they likely have GPS and location and other data logs of the car users also (music they listen to, what they browse online or what games they play, driving habits, etc...)
And this is not just limited to Teslas...clearly ICE cars have tons of software and I'm sure data collection as well that is not fully aware of by the drivers and if so...you cannot opt out of it (easily?)
I remember also reading that in a TOS of Tesla, if you opt out of data collection by Tesla..you essentially lose lot of the functionality (updates, etc.) of the car.
So even more than just the standard fare of criticism...I am genuinely curious for @Comfy and @kurtatx and everyone to chime in on this topic.
Given how Google and Facebook and everything internet-connected is horrible at protecting user data and privacy...this is one giant part of Tesla that does not sit well with me at all. And this is ironic given many Tesla fans are also very tech-savvy and presumably these demographic of drivers are also more left-leaning in their politics and so may care more about data privacy...
I'm curious to see everyone's thoughts on this topic?
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
It all comes down to what they're tracking. If it's simply miles, every manufacturer does that. DMVs do that. Insurance companies do it too. It's a harmless and pretty nondescript data point.
If they're tracking destinations, when you go there, how often you go, etc - that's a different situation.
It’s a very valid question and I’m sure we all will have differing opinions. For whatever it’s worth my iPhone not only tracks where I’m going it also predicts where I’m gonna go in a day of the week. It’s a sort of exciting as well as unnerving in the beginning but now I don’t care about it much. From what I see, this invasion of privacy is part of modern living. You can push back on it or embrace it if you feel like it.
It is not limited to Tesla as mentioned by several others. Every auto makers, every electronic device in your home or in person does this.
Think of it as a resource. Maybe if you break down in the middle of nowhere, these guys will know where to find you. I heard a story about a stolen Tesla which was eventually located in a cargo ship headed to Russia (it was retrieved at an international port where it docked enroute).
10-18-2020, 04:08 PM
that puts me closer to a 35K purchase price 
