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This was taken by another Tesla across the street using the Sentry Mode feature that records any activity that happens near your car. Sentry Mode was a free update that rolled out to Teslas last year.
Model S also gets updates yet its resale value seems to follow most cars trends.
Biker, who thinks this resale value thing for Model 3 is a one time short term exception.
The Model S still has higher resale value than other cars in it's class. It maybe dropping because people are choosing to buy a new Model 3 instead of a used S
The Model S still has higher resale value than other cars in it's class. It maybe dropping because people are choosing to buy a new Model 3 instead of a used S
That's their point. Model S resale value is dropping because there *are* other options out there, ie, Model 3. The 3's resale value are currently sky high because there is nothing.
When there are alternatives to the Model 3, then their resale value should follow the trend of other vehicles out there. Heck, I can foresee a glut of 3s in the used market once the Model Y comes out.
Another criminal caught thanks to Sentry Mode, a free update. No other car company is doing this right now. People care about this more than turning radius
I’m really surprised or maybe I haven’t noticed that nobody on here as a Tesla, or do they? I have many friends who have them and they love them. I almost pulled the trigger on a 3, but then realized I didn’t want car payments.
I’m really surprised or maybe I haven’t noticed that nobody on here as a Tesla, or do they? I have many friends who have them and they love them. I almost pulled the trigger on a 3, but then realized I didn’t want car payments.
My issue is I have nowhere to charge it at home living in a rowhouse in the city without a garage. So even if I did want to pay $50K for a Model 3, I would have to go sit somewhere while it charges.
I’m really surprised or maybe I haven’t noticed that nobody on here as a Tesla, or do they? I have many friends who have them and they love them. I almost pulled the trigger on a 3, but then realized I didn’t want car payments.
I think it's a demographics problem. Acura owners tend to be value seekers who look for bang-for-the-buck. At this stage of the game, even the Model 3 is too far upmarket to be good value.
I’m really surprised or maybe I haven’t noticed that nobody on here as a Tesla, or do they? I have many friends who have them and they love them. I almost pulled the trigger on a 3, but then realized I didn’t want car payments.
I have a reservation for one. Gonna use some of my profits from buying TSLA stocks to pay for it. Thanks Elon.
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Another criminal caught thanks to Sentry Mode, a free update. No other car company is doing this right now. People care about this more than turning radius
The Zoe is a good car in its class. The reason it gets good range with small battery is that it is a much smaller car with smaller capacities. It’s besides the fact that European EV range estimates are different from EPA. The model 3 being a bigger and more expensive car, still managed to beat the Zoe in Europe.
EU wants battery autonomy, but first it needs graphite
They were attending the ribbon-cutting for a new, more efficient carbon baking oven, a "brick cathedral" some five metres underground at its site in Venissieux, just south of Lyon in southeast France.
The 11 million euro ($11.9 million) investment will allow the company to double its carbon production, the first step for making the ultrapure synthetic graphite prized for batteries.
The carbon is then shipped to its factory at Notre-Dame de Briancon in the Alps, where nearby hydroelectric dams provide the intense electrical currents needed to turn it into graphite.
Carbone Savoie also says it has developed a new production technology that uses just half the energy required currently, and cuts waste levels in half.
"It will be less expensive and more efficient than Chinese graphite, while consuming less energy. The hard part is that we have to move quickly," said Regis Paulus, the firm's head of research and development
Batteries make up around 40 percent of the value of an electric car, but are currently made by companies in South Korea, China and Japan.
A single electric model from Tesla, for example, requires around 70 kilogrammes (150 pounds) of graphite, Carbone Savoie's CEO Sebastian Gauthier told AF
Tesla Model 3 gets 350 miles in new ‘long-range mode’ test
Officially, Tesla Model 3 Long Range had a range of 310 miles on a single charge, but Tesla has found some optimizations in recent months — leading to an increase of EPA-rated range to 322 miles.
Now Consumer Reports conducted its own test of the car, confirming the EPA rating.
More interestingly, they also conducted a test with range mode and achieved 350 miles on a single charge:
At CR, we’ve found that our range testing has matched the EPA’s testing within single-digit percentage points. Our tested Tesla Model 3 matched the 310-mile range the EPA had pegged it at, and in Long Range mode we achieved 350 miles.
Musk shared the report, which praises Tesla’s efficiency, and thanked his team for the hard work: Elon Musk✔@elonmusk
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Last year, analyst Kevin Rooke released a report showing how Tesla’s focus on efficiency results in about a 3% improvement per year:
Either way, it’s fascinating to see how steady Tesla’s efficiency improvements are. Every passing year Tesla cars use roughly 3% less energy than in the previous year to travel the same distance (normalized for vehicle weight).
Rooke also plotted the efficiency against other electric vehicles on the market:
I can't buy a Renault anything, let alone a Zoe. That in itself makes this whole discussion void.
French are setting the standards for next generation EV vehicles with full control over manufacturing. completely throwing out Asian components. Just like French sets aviation standards and EU agriculture policy.
French are taking this EV much more serious. Alot of countries in Middleast/Africa will simply not have choice but buying French or built with French technology.
Tesla simply cannot understand this thing. Tesla is hanging in middle. It cannot move upmarket to compete with Germans and it cannot go down market to deal with French.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1Q22RI In a speech to the Paris-based International Organisation of Motor Vehicle Manufacturers, Macron unveiled his strategy to help the French car industry fend off competition on electric vehicles (EV) and autonomous cars from Asian and U.S. tech giants Macron said two factories would be built, one each in France and Germany, under a French-German initiative,
French are setting the standards for next generation EV vehicles with full control over manufacturing. completely throwing out Asian components. Just like French sets aviation standards and EU agriculture policy.
French are taking this EV much more serious. Alot of countries in Middleast/Africa will simply not have choice but buying French or built with French technology.
Tesla simply cannot understand this thing. Tesla is hanging in middle. It cannot move upmarket to compete with Germans and it cannot go down market to deal with French.
Standards have already been set. Hopefully the French will be able to meet it in the next decade (when their high school engineers graduate) .
oh BTW. I’ve got nothing against the French. I like their Michelins too.
Handling Balance: Shift motor bias from 100 percent front to 100 percent rear, adjusting how much torque is sent to each motor for different understeer or oversteer behaviors and initiate rotation and sustain slip angle.
Stability Assistance: Choose the level at which the stability control systems are helping to control your car – from all stability systems on to off for full driver control.
Regen Braking: Adjust how much deceleration is provided by the car’s motors and foundation brakes. This not only impacts how much physical braking force is required to slow the car down but also allows drivers to initiate their car’s rotation using the throttle pedal.
Real-Time Status Monitoring
Optimal Vehicle Cooling: Post-Drive Cooling and Compressor Overclock extend track sessions by compensating for the higher temperatures generated by sustained, high-speed driving. Access Post-Drive Cooling and Compressor Overclock from Track Mode Settings.
Vehicle Status: Get a detailed look at vehicle and sub-system temperatures on Model 3’s touchscreen. Track Mode utilizes real-time models to display battery, brake and motor temperatures and tire utilization.
G-Meter: Tesla’s G-Meter will automatically track and record peak lateral and longitudinal accelerations. The G-Meter can be viewed in the Cards area of the touchscreen.
Performance Review
Lap Timer: The touchscreen map now displays a Lap Timer. Follow the on-screen instructions to place a start/finish pin on the map. At the completion of each lap, the Lap Timer will show the duration of your last lap. It also displays the times associated with the previous and best laps in the driving session.
Video Logging & Telemetry Data: Video and telemetry data is now downloadable to a USB drive so drivers can track and share their performance. Data is stored in a .CSV file and includes lap times, acceleration, deceleration, G-meter, vehicle thermals and tire utilization. To save data, plug in a USB flash drive with a folder named TeslaTrackMode. When ‘Save Dashcam for Lap’ is enabled, Track Mode stores a video of each lap in a driving session when using the Lap Timer.
The vehicle status screen is like IRL Gran Turismo
Again, this was a free update to Performance Model 3 vehicles, if you bought the vehicle in 2018 you get the new features, you don't have to buy a new car to get the new capabilities. What other $60k car has all these features?
Isn’t the Mach E supposed to get OTA updates too? I doubt I’ll be free though.
Ford is concentrating on Europe since it knows that the boat has already sailed in US.
Vehicle telemetry is a great way to make use of that big screen. That, and the video recorder too. I am assuming that they overlay the telemetry data over the corresponding footage, which would be really cool.
Curious to see how many all-out laps a Model 3 can do. Not sure exactly how effective regenerative braking is on the track. I imagine more heat = more regen, therefore driving a Model 3 harder would actually prolong your track days?
At 12:00 in this video there's a semi-truck with a trailer and supercharger setup on it.
Looks like Tesla brought 3 vehicles to the event, guy says the mobile supercharger can recharge about 10 vehicles. My little 4-cylinder has a 240ish mile range on a full tank, but at the track I need to come with a full tank, plus a refill in the middle of the day. Even then I'm usually at half a tank or less by the end of the day.
Vehicle telemetry is a great way to make use of that big screen. That, and the video recorder too. I am assuming that they overlay the telemetry data over the corresponding footage, which would be really cool.
Curious to see how many all-out laps a Model 3 can do. Not sure exactly how effective regenerative braking is on the track. I imagine more heat = more regen, therefore driving a Model 3 harder would actually prolong your track days?
Regen doesn't harvest heat, it harvests momentum. Essentially uses the wheels to turn the motor into a generator so instead of motor driving wheels, it's the wheels that drive the motor. I can't imagine being able to recover enough energy during a track session to appreciably offset the energy use lol. Also, I'd imagine that you want the regen turned off for track sessions anyway so as to have better car control.
As always clinching straws. Tesla Model 3 price is near $40K now and Chinese market has some pent up demand. Toyota sold 160K vehicles in a month in China
Regen doesn't harvest heat, it harvests momentum. Essentially uses the wheels to turn the motor into a generator so instead of motor driving wheels, it's the wheels that drive the motor. I can't imagine being able to recover enough energy during a track session to appreciably offset the energy use lol. Also, I'd imagine that you want the regen turned off for track sessions anyway so as to have better car control.
My mistake, thanks for clearing that up. I was thinking of KERS and how it captures heat, unless I'm mistaken on that too. Yeah, being an EV it doesn't work in the same manner.
The difference in the amount of energy used via throttle input is probably negligible when "driving hard". I know someone who managed just fine on their stock brakes, then they let an experienced instructor drive their car for a session. Pads were toast after just one go.
Kinda makes the other point moot, but when I said driving harder, I meant being harder on your brakes, which in turn would cause more heat... again, moot.
Maybe things are different now, but I've never seen any Tesla Superchargers in the paddock at Thunderhill or Laguna, but I have seen gas pumps. Even then, I have had fuel issues. Doubt my car has enough grip to cause fuel starvation, but I ended a track session prematurely before when the low fuel light came on.
This specific use case is only a concern of maybe 1-5% of all Model 3 Performance owners, but range anxiety is still real.
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