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Old 08-23-2021, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Comfy
There’s a difference when you buy something from a restaurant vs employing a cook in your own kitchen for a specific purpose. If you can’t understand that,…???
The point is Tesla is not fully dependent on third parties and Panasonic knows it. Therefore they will try their best to keep Tesla happy.
How exactly is Tesla not dependent on Panny?
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Not to mention that the Teslas made in China (which may end up producing more than Fremont) are fully dependent on CATL and LG Chem (!) for their batteries.

With Panasonic basically just fulfilling their contractual requirements to Tesla, and the behemoth that is Toyota (with a longer and closer relationship to Panasonic) waiting in the wings, is it any surprise that Tesla was rumored to be in talks to buying BYD batteries as well?

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Originally Posted by Comfy
There’s a difference when you buy something from a restaurant vs employing a cook in your own kitchen for a specific purpose. If you can’t understand that,…???
The point is Tesla is not fully dependent on third parties and Panasonic knows it. Therefore they will try their best to keep Tesla happy.
Attorney: Objection, Your Honor, this is speculation. Comfy has no direct knowledge of anything on this subject. He merely comes up with arguments that are designed to support his Tesla-fandom.

Judge: Sustained. Testimony from Comfy is excluded. I'm instructing the jury to ignore the meaningless ramblings of Comfy as blind fandom run amok.
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Old 08-23-2021, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Attorney: Objection, Your Honor, this is speculation. Comfy has no direct knowledge of anything on this subject. He merely comes up with arguments that are designed to support his Tesla-fandom.

Judge: Sustained. Testimony from Comfy is excluded. I'm instructing the jury to ignore the meaningless ramblings of Comfy as blind fandom run amok.
Thats funny. Ha ha
Old 08-23-2021, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Comfy
Thats funny. Ha ha
Satire is generally considered funny because of the ways which it captures the truth of the circumstances.
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Old 08-23-2021, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Satire is generally considered funny because of the ways which it captures the truth of the circumstances.
I’m not disagreeing with you. Of course Tesla didn’t share their plans with me directly.


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Tesla: announces intern in a suit

Tesla Stans lose their fucking minds.
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Old 08-23-2021, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Comfy
I’m not disagreeing with you. Of course Tesla didn’t share their plans with me directly.
Not to mention the fact that you've never owned one....
Old 08-24-2021, 09:23 AM
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But....Elon said!


Old 08-24-2021, 09:37 AM
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There’s definitely room for improvement. But legacy has miles for improvement. LOL.
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Legacy doesn't tell customers the car can drive itself.
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Good video explaining AI day in simpler terms

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Old 08-24-2021, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Legacy doesn't tell customers the car can drive itself.
Don’t get stuck on semantics. See the real difference. If you can’t see it even as an engineer, then I feel sorry for you.
Old 08-24-2021, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Comfy
Don’t get stuck on semantics. See the real difference. If you can’t see it even as an engineer, then I feel sorry for you.
orly? Did you see the difference when you drove your Tesla this morning? Because I certainly did. Marketing a product as FULL SELF DRIVING when it cannot do that is fraudulent. It's like saying the RDX is the fastest SUV in the world when it, in fact, is not.

Anyway, here are my thoughts based on that 10 minute video.

I would rather have the Blue Cruise vs my Autopilot. I already don't trust this thing to drive on city streets based on my own personal experience and the system I have, which is the most recent you can get given my car was built in May. If you are trusting your car to full self drive all the time even on city streets, you are asking to get in a crash that is 100% avoidable all for the honor of paying an extra $10k for a beta test so that part of the system is already pointless to me. What I do trust my car to do is to drive itself on highways like in the video but, instead of simply looking at the road and the car being able to tell that you're doing it, I have to tug on the wheel every 30s-1min for the entire time I'm driving and that's annoying AF. Having to tug on the wheel 100% takes out any benefit of self driving since you have to constantly tell the car you're there rather than just looking at the road and the car driving indefinitely. Navigate while driving is super cool, I haven't had a chance to try it because I don't have the FSD package on my car but my test drive car did. My car, again without the FSD package, does not maintain autopilot when you change lanes. You have to manually change lanes and then manually restart the system after you're in the next lane. This is also annoying AF, even my Subaru will automatically reacquire the car in front and center itself after changing lanes (manually) without any further input from the driver. WTF is up with that?
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Old 08-25-2021, 04:24 PM
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EV vehicle not only unreliable for long term but stiff ride, heavy, larger size tires, cramped and much more depended on semiconductors.
MDX and Model Y has same weight but MDX is more spacious and better ride.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/bosc...=semiconductor
UBS analyst Francois-Xavier Bouvignies told CNBC last week that cars with internal combustion engines typically use around $80 worth of semiconductors in the powertrain, but electric vehicles use around $550 worth.
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Old 08-25-2021, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
But....Elon said!

Here you go.

Old 08-25-2021, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
EV vehicle not only unreliable for long term but stiff ride, heavy, larger size tires, cramped and much more depended on semiconductors.
MDX and Model Y has same weight but MDX is more spacious and better ride.
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Compared to a first gen typewriter, a modern computer is also heavily dependent on semiconductors. They are trash then.
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computer issue commands. type writer merely types. Electric vehicles are simply not competitive neither in manufacturing (super expensive semiconductor Fabs) (Lithium mining) (bigger tires) or in practical use.
They are unrefined junk for the price.

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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
computer issue commands. type writer merely types. Electric vehicles are simply not competitive neither in manufacturing (super expensive semiconductor Fabs) (Lithium mining) (bigger tires) or in practical use.
They are unrefined junk for the price.
Saving this one for when you inevitably gag on Honda's cock when they release their next EV.
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Old 08-25-2021, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
computer issue commands. type writer merely types. Electric vehicles are simply not competitive neither in manufacturing (super expensive semiconductor Fabs) (Lithium mining) (bigger tires) or in practical use.
They are unrefined junk for the price.
You are really funny man. You made my day. LOL.
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SSFTSX is in the house!!!!
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SSFTSX is in the house!!!!
Honestly I was kinda looking forward to it
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Old 08-25-2021, 08:55 PM
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We were missing entertainment for a while.
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Originally Posted by Comfy
Also this.


It's still a beta, and as they mentioned at AI Day there are still NN that don't operate in "vector space". I think they should all be incorporated by v10 or v11
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We were missing entertainment for a while.
We've had some without him.
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Originally Posted by Comfy
It's always a week or two out right?

I'm sure it's getting better, there's no doubt that it's getting better but it's still not even close to the point where you can take a nap in the back while the car drives.

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Also this.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1430038942909272071

It's still a beta, and as they mentioned at AI Day there are still NN that don't operate in "vector space". I think they should all be incorporated by v10 or v11
So why do they charge ten grand for it?
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Shhhhhh.. let SSFTSX shine!
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Saving this one for when you inevitably gag on Honda's cock when they release their next EV.
Honda next EV has minor sales expectations depend on lithium/cobalt/chip prices at time. and i may change mind on EV after solid state batteries are tested for while. now its fire hazard in close spaces. wide turning circle, non-luxurious ride, slow charging with short ranges. and cannot match body on frame vehicles.
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Iron phosphate (lfp) batteries are making their way to the US

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Why are some made with iron and some made with nickel? Aren't they lithium batteries anyway? Please elaborate more, curious to learn.
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Wow a not shit post from Sam!

Nickel is the most common element in a Tesla battery, not lithium, lithium makes up less than 5% of the battery but lithium is the element that moves from the anode to the cathode. Tesla is using an Iron cathode battery instead of nickel cathode because LFP batteries are cheaper, easier to source materials since iron is easier to find than nickel, but LFP batteries have less energy density so they're mostly using them in their cheaper vehicles like the 3 SR+, they've been doing this in China for at least a year now. The downside is the vehicle is a little heavier since a 60kwh LFP battery weighs more than a 60kwh NCA battery, but as Elon said you can regularly charge LFPs to 100%

They're also using LFP batteries in utility energy storage solutions since energy density, weight, and size aren't very critical for stationary battery storage products.

Nickel batteries will be saved for their vehicles where energy density matters like cybertruck, Semi, and the more expensive longer-range versions of each model. Probably won't ever see the S or X with LFP, LFP's lower price also enables the $25000 Model 2 to be made

This was all discussed at battery day a year ago



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Tesla needs to deal with this ASAP

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This is the best upgrade to my Tesla since I bought it.
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One of the main complaints about the yoke is parking. Tesla rolled out an improved version of autopark feature that park in parallel and perpendicular spots, eventually, it should show up on all models but the improved version is S only for now

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Your vehicle can now automatically park in parallel and perpendicular posts. While driving below 15 mph (25 km/h), the instrument cluster will display a parking icon if it detects a potential parking spot. To initiate Autopark, tap-and-hold the Autopark button in the shift panel, and release the steering yoke. For more information on Autopark, please refer to the Owners Manual.

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Yah... try that every time you park and you will get honked at 90% of the time...

Also with an empty parking lot like that, i am sure everyone can park with Yoke too.. just go straight and stop!

My car has that shit too.. takes about the same amount of time... most useless feature ever along with Gesture Control... showed it to my GF once and never going to use it again.

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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Yah... try that every time you park and you will get honked at 90% of the time...

Also with an empty parking lot like that, i am sure everyone can park with Yoke too.. just go straight and stop!

My car has that shit too.. takes about the same amount of time... most useless feature ever along with Gesture Control... showed it to my GF once and never going to use it again.
I hear you. Almost all news cars loaded up have that feature, but as you mentioned no one ever uses it (including me). The main reason being that you need the exact empty parking lot with two vehicles parked on either side for it to work (ultrasound based). And it’s too slow for that situation. So the Tesla system is the only one I heard of which will use pure vision and therefore doesn’t need any cars around to park. But as you mentioned, if the parking lot is that empty, why do you need automatic parking. LOL.
It’s not for everyone’s daily use, but a rare case use for some. I have a lady at my workplace, who seems to struggle everytime she tries to park in her Mazda. I had helped her with directions to park a couple times (for which she was very grateful too). The Tesla system would be perfect for her. Recently I saw that she had new scrapes on one side of her car, and I was not surprised.

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FSD beta 10 rolls out next week



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