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#721
Ex-OEM King
We had a huge power outage earlier this year and I gave some thought to it. But upon checking the cost of doing a solar roof (including powerwall) was around $35-$50,000. So yes, it was too much for me.
Hopefully the prices will come down in future and I’ll certainly consider that at that time.
Hopefully the prices will come down in future and I’ll certainly consider that at that time.
#722
Ex-OEM King
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#723
Azine Jabroni
Big point for Tesla here:
Was at a stop light (first car in line). Light turns green, I launch, and a car travels in the direction of t-boning me but I go so fast the oncoming car drives behind me.
So, by convincing me to buy the Acceleration boost, y'all saved me life.
cheers.
Was at a stop light (first car in line). Light turns green, I launch, and a car travels in the direction of t-boning me but I go so fast the oncoming car drives behind me.
So, by convincing me to buy the Acceleration boost, y'all saved me life.
cheers.
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#724
Team Owner
Big point for Tesla here:
Was at a stop light (first car in line). Light turns green, I launch, and a car travels in the direction of t-boning me but I go so fast the oncoming car drives behind me.
So, by convincing me to buy the Acceleration boost, y'all saved me life.
cheers.
Was at a stop light (first car in line). Light turns green, I launch, and a car travels in the direction of t-boning me but I go so fast the oncoming car drives behind me.
So, by convincing me to buy the Acceleration boost, y'all saved me life.
cheers.
#725
Azine Jabroni
I got the whole thing recorded, too
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#1 STUNNA (07-16-2021)
#726
Senior Moderator
#727
Team Owner
#728
Sanest Florida Man
So now you need to add acceleration boost to your Y
You're welcome
You're welcome
#729
Azine Jabroni
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Yumcha (07-16-2021)
#730
Sanest Florida Man
The underlying codebase is still different between AP and FSDBeta. I wonder if non FSD Beta users will have their AP codebase replaced with a feature limited version of FSD beta at the same time. Long term it makes no sense to have 2 different codebases so it's bound to happen but IDK when.
It'll be interesting to see how much better AP gets when it's running on FSD codebase
It'll be interesting to see how much better AP gets when it's running on FSD codebase
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Comfy (07-17-2021)
#731
Sanest Florida Man
Last edited by #1 STUNNA; 07-16-2021 at 10:10 PM.
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Comfy (07-17-2021)
#732
I was on the camp of buying a Tesla but don’t get the FSD. Now it looks like there’s no point in buying a Tesla without getting FSD.
#733
Ex-OEM King
The underlying codebase is still different between AP and FSDBeta. I wonder if non FSD Beta users will have their AP codebase replaced with a feature limited version of FSD beta at the same time. Long term it makes no sense to have 2 different codebases so it's bound to happen but IDK when.
It'll be interesting to see how much better AP gets when it's running on FSD codebase
It'll be interesting to see how much better AP gets when it's running on FSD codebase
#734
Sanest Florida Man
Tesla virtual power plant rolling out soon in California. It’s already live in Australia
#735
My first Avatar....
Why? No one has yet explained why you want a car to drive you? One of the greatest things in owning a car is the driving experience. I just don't understand why anyone would want to remove that. I just can't relate to this way of thinking. Just take a cab. Get an Uber. Ride the bus.
#736
Why? No one has yet explained why you want a car to drive you? One of the greatest things in owning a car is the driving experience. I just don't understand why anyone would want to remove that. I just can't relate to this way of thinking. Just take a cab. Get an Uber. Ride the bus.
#737
Ex-OEM King
Why? No one has yet explained why you want a car to drive you? One of the greatest things in owning a car is the driving experience. I just don't understand why anyone would want to remove that. I just can't relate to this way of thinking. Just take a cab. Get an Uber. Ride the bus.
Now if there's a fun road that you can drive, shut that shit off and enjoy it.
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Comfy (07-19-2021)
#738
Why? No one has yet explained why you want a car to drive you? One of the greatest things in owning a car is the driving experience. I just don't understand why anyone would want to remove that. I just can't relate to this way of thinking. Just take a cab. Get an Uber. Ride the bus.
Last edited by Comfy; 07-19-2021 at 02:36 PM.
#739
My first Avatar....
I would never pay for it. Especially from Muskrat.
#740
Ex-OEM King
#741
Team Owner
I see it just as an evolution of features like cruise control. Why would you need adaptive cruise or lane control either…? These were considered premium features (at the time) and people were willing to pay a premium for it. FSD is the current iteration of it and people will pay for it regardless of how good or bad it is.
Most of those "premium" features were part of a package that dont cost $10k or $200/month.
I have yet met a person specifically paid extra for adaptive cruise control, because that is a feature he/she wanted in a car. FSD is a standalone service.
#742
Ex-OEM King
last time i checked, none of those required a $200 a month subscription service.
Most of those "premium" features were part of a package that dont cost $10k or $200/month.
I have yet met a person specifically paid extra for adaptive cruise control, because that is a feature he/she wanted in a car. FSD is a standalone service.
Most of those "premium" features were part of a package that dont cost $10k or $200/month.
I have yet met a person specifically paid extra for adaptive cruise control, because that is a feature he/she wanted in a car. FSD is a standalone service.
Also, I absolutely would pay more for adaptive cruise. It's a godsend on long trips and sitting in traffic. I won't own a car without it unless it's not my main daily driver like my Jeep. Fortunately most cars, aside from the luxury crowd, have that sort of thing as standard so it's not a big deal anymore. Why a BMW X7 that costs $80k doesn't have adaptive cruise when a $20k Corolla has it is beyond me.
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Comfy (07-19-2021)
#743
last time i checked, none of those required a $200 a month subscription service.
Most of those "premium" features were part of a package that dont cost $10k or $200/month.
I have yet met a person specifically paid extra for adaptive cruise control, because that is a feature he/she wanted in a car. FSD is a standalone service.
Most of those "premium" features were part of a package that dont cost $10k or $200/month.
I have yet met a person specifically paid extra for adaptive cruise control, because that is a feature he/she wanted in a car. FSD is a standalone service.
I totally get what you are saying that it is overpriced. I too agree that, but I believe it may somehow become standard feature on most cars (if not all) at some point in future. It’s only a matter of time.
#744
Sanest Florida Man
In the end this is what matters the most
#745
Sanest Florida Man
But muh radar
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Comfy (07-20-2021)
#746
So it’s better than radar in adverse weather situations. Great. One more of the pillars supporting radar falls.
Anything else against vision….. Guys.
Anything else against vision….. Guys.
#747
Ex-OEM King
No, it's not. There's no evidence to support that it's better. If you have any please let me know. Also, that video was a temporary obstruction that cleared within seconds. A permanent obstruction definitely does not allow the system to function because I fucking tried it and it doesn't work. As soon as we get some freaking rain here I'll give it a shot in the rain and see how it goes. I do know that it times the wipers to allow the system to see. We haven't had fog here in forever so no clue on that. Winter will bring about its own challenges that we'll all learn about in due time.
Radar is a belt and suspenders situation. I think comfy even said it himself, more sensors = better and safer so why are you saying that radar is bad?
Radar is a belt and suspenders situation. I think comfy even said it himself, more sensors = better and safer so why are you saying that radar is bad?
#748
A-TSX Oldie
From my understanding, the standard automotive radar module that everyone (including Tesla) was using was meant for adaptive cruise, and forward collision warning (they bounce under the car the in front so it can detect sudden deceleration forward of that; something Tesla has yet to prove it can do with Pure Vision alone).
What the radar was never meant for, is this so-called FSD and Autopilot type of applications. Or even detection in bad weather, as it would be absolutely stupid to do high-speed adaptive cruise in snowy weather. Heck, on most cars, if there is snow accumulation in front of the radar sensor (very likely given their location), the radar is blinded anyway and adaptive cruise is disabled.
Thus, it makes sense that Tesla can ditch the radar signal for some of their auto-navigation stuff, but it is nothing more than cost-cutting or a parts-supply issue that they removed radar from the suite which allows Pre-Collision warnings and high speed cruising.
What the radar was never meant for, is this so-called FSD and Autopilot type of applications. Or even detection in bad weather, as it would be absolutely stupid to do high-speed adaptive cruise in snowy weather. Heck, on most cars, if there is snow accumulation in front of the radar sensor (very likely given their location), the radar is blinded anyway and adaptive cruise is disabled.
Thus, it makes sense that Tesla can ditch the radar signal for some of their auto-navigation stuff, but it is nothing more than cost-cutting or a parts-supply issue that they removed radar from the suite which allows Pre-Collision warnings and high speed cruising.
#749
Team Owner
I dont know WTF you are talking about. I never said it was FREE. read again.
Most of those "premium" features were part of a package that dont cost $10k or $200/month.
I have yet met a person specifically paid extra for adaptive cruise control, because that is a feature he/she wanted in a car. FSD is a standalone service.
I have yet met a person specifically paid extra for adaptive cruise control, because that is a feature he/she wanted in a car. FSD is a standalone service.
What world are you living in? Until recent past most cars had adaptive cruise only on the top end models or to buy as an add on option. For example my Chrysler minivan didn’t come with it as standard. I had to pay for an extra package to get that feature. If you don’t know this, then you are obviously playing blind. I understand that many cars have that as standard feature now, but that’s again an evolution. Just like power steering, air conditioning, and cruise control etc. got democratized.
I totally get what you are saying that it is overpriced. I too agree that, but I believe it may somehow become standard feature on most cars (if not all) at some point in future. It’s only a matter of time.
I totally get what you are saying that it is overpriced. I too agree that, but I believe it may somehow become standard feature on most cars (if not all) at some point in future. It’s only a matter of time.
#750
Team Owner
No, it's not. There's no evidence to support that it's better. If you have any please let me know. Also, that video was a temporary obstruction that cleared within seconds. A permanent obstruction definitely does not allow the system to function because I fucking tried it and it doesn't work. As soon as we get some freaking rain here I'll give it a shot in the rain and see how it goes. I do know that it times the wipers to allow the system to see. We haven't had fog here in forever so no clue on that. Winter will bring about its own challenges that we'll all learn about in due time.
Radar is a belt and suspenders situation. I think comfy even said it himself, more sensors = better and safer so why are you saying that radar is bad?
Radar is a belt and suspenders situation. I think comfy even said it himself, more sensors = better and safer so why are you saying that radar is bad?
#751
Team Owner
From my understanding, the standard automotive radar module that everyone (including Tesla) was using was meant for adaptive cruise, and forward collision warning (they bounce under the car the in front so it can detect sudden deceleration forward of that; something Tesla has yet to prove it can do with Pure Vision alone).
What the radar was never meant for, is this so-called FSD and Autopilot type of applications. Or even detection in bad weather, as it would be absolutely stupid to do high-speed adaptive cruise in snowy weather. Heck, on most cars, if there is snow accumulation in front of the radar sensor (very likely given their location), the radar is blinded anyway and adaptive cruise is disabled.
Thus, it makes sense that Tesla can ditch the radar signal for some of their auto-navigation stuff, but it is nothing more than cost-cutting or a parts-supply issue that they removed radar from the suite which allows Pre-Collision warnings and high speed cruising.
What the radar was never meant for, is this so-called FSD and Autopilot type of applications. Or even detection in bad weather, as it would be absolutely stupid to do high-speed adaptive cruise in snowy weather. Heck, on most cars, if there is snow accumulation in front of the radar sensor (very likely given their location), the radar is blinded anyway and adaptive cruise is disabled.
Thus, it makes sense that Tesla can ditch the radar signal for some of their auto-navigation stuff, but it is nothing more than cost-cutting or a parts-supply issue that they removed radar from the suite which allows Pre-Collision warnings and high speed cruising.
If that is what they said, then it sounds perfectly reasonable to me.. given that it is comparable.
Not all this BS that Muskettes are pulling out of their asses.
#752
Last edited by Comfy; 07-20-2021 at 01:39 PM.
#753
About why Tesla decided to unleash half baked FSD beta…..
#754
Sanest Florida Man
Is the same guy who incorrectly yet confidently stated that there was no redundant parts in Tesla's FSD system now saying that there's no evidence that vision can be better than radar, even though I posted a video explaining it that gave details and examples of where radar fails and visions succeeds
good thing we have time stamp support in Youtube links now, see below
good thing we have time stamp support in Youtube links now, see below
#755
Team Owner
Comparing Autopilot in the aircraft to the autopilot in a car that is surrounded by 10 or 20 cars at any given time with traffic lights, stop signs, lane changes and curves?
There is a reason why landing a plane still require manual operation with Autopilot disabled, even tho technically speaking, auto pilot could land the plane just as safely.
There is a reason why landing a plane still require manual operation with Autopilot disabled, even tho technically speaking, auto pilot could land the plane just as safely.
#756
Team Owner
Is the same guy who incorrectly yet confidently stated that there was no redundant parts in Tesla's FSD system now saying that there's no evidence that vision can be better than radar, even though I posted a video explaining it that gave details and examples of where radar fails and visions succeeds
good thing we have time stamp support in Youtube links now, see below
https://youtu.be/a510m7s_SVI?t=1405
good thing we have time stamp support in Youtube links now, see below
https://youtu.be/a510m7s_SVI?t=1405
#757
Sanest Florida Man
So you're actively avoiding learning facts about the topic under discussion, that's called willful ignorance, not something to be proud of IMO but it does explain why you're wrong so much
#758
Team Owner
Facts? You think they are facts and we see them as propaganda provided by Tesla fanboys like yourself. Have you tested them yourself? What the Tesla owners here are saying are not facts, but the BS video you found on youtube is somehow Fact?
It is no different than Trump quoted pro-Trump articles as "facts" and proof about how the election was stolen from him....
Like we are ALL wrong? only you are right?
You dont even know what ignorance is when it hits your face.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 07-20-2021 at 02:22 PM.
#759
Sanest Florida Man
A video from Andrej Karpathy the director of artificial intelligence and Autopilot Vision at Tesla is "BS"? Who is a better source for info on Tesla FSD than the main guy overseeing the project?
LMAO
LMAO
#760
Ex-OEM King
I don't give a flying fuck who that guy is. I went and tried on my own Tesla (2021 with vision only) with the most recent software that Tesla themselves released to the public on the road and highways around my house first hand and it DID NOT WORK WITH CAMERA OBSTRUCTED. I don't know what else to tell you.
Last edited by SamDoe1; 07-20-2021 at 02:52 PM.