#1 STUNNA

What?

Are you guys just ignoring the obvious point of the video and just trying to come up with the dumbest take?

#1 STUNNA

Yikes, there's some cherry-picking and outdated numbers in the 7 year old article. They compare hydrogen to batteries in 2015 with numbers that make people say WTF back then let alone now with 4680 battery packs around the corner. Then when it comes to efficiency they don't mention batteries and EVs anymore they compare hydrogen with gas.

According to that guy's math a Tesla Model Y ~82kwh battery pack costs $164,000 and it will be dead after 150,000 miles. And if your EV has the efficiency of 4mi/kwh (which is pretty good) then every mile you travel costs you about $4.

See below for much more realistic comparison between the two techs and you'll understand why hydrogen isn't going to takeover

biker

And what was your point of making this statement?

You might as well find a video showing how few CNG stations there are compared to EV charging stations.

anoop

Hey @#1 STUNNA do you think the new yoke steering is a cost cutting measure by Tesla to save a few bucks on the upper half of the wheel?

#1 STUNNA

LOL no. They think it looks cool, and doesn't block the cockpit display. Like the iPhone FaceID notch reports are coming in that people that initially didn't like it have adjusted to it after a few hundred miles and now don't mind it. Over time we'll see if that's the general consensus or is it still hated like the MacBook Pro touchbar 5 years later and they finally remove it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

anoop

The other thing I thought of with the missing half wheel was weight savings to improve range and speed.

anoop

MT is not too happy with it.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesl...eel-yoke-only/
however, we were left underwhelmed by its execution after a week of living with a so-equipped Model S Plaid. This was especially true when driving at lower speeds where the car's quick, but not quick enough, 14.0:1 steering ratio made it difficult to complete near-full-lock turns without awkwardly fumbling for the device's (purposely) missing upper rim out of habit.

#1 STUNNA

How much do you think a steering wheel weighs?

Yumcha

I'm utterly shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

kurtatx

Lol that's absurd.

anoop

What about this?

Comfy

If we ever get to drive it ourselves, will tell our opinion about it. That’s all I can say.

#1 STUNNA

Comfy

It was only a matter of time before Tesla would implement these features.
Will see what features EA / others could do to redeem themselves. May be raise their prices. . But competition is coming. .

SamDoe1

Just curious, why can't legacy auto do this?

oonowindoo

So you posted information provided by Tesla propaganda sources as they are some kind of fact, such as "only tesla can implement features like this legacy auto couldn’t do it if they tried"

That is like the lawsuits Trumpettes filed and quoted articles from NewsOne as evidence.

oonowindoo

Cuz they are stupid.

They first could not invent such brilliant device called Yoke, if they tried,


Too advanced for Legacy auto to figure it out.

kurtatx

The Whole Mars guy is kind of pathetic. You can just picture him sitting alone at lunch in high school.

#1 STUNNA

maybe it’ll happen by Christmas

SamDoe1

It'll for sure happen by Christmas, that's a 100% given.

The real question is which year.

anoop

They don't own the charging stations and they have no way to track the cars of all the other brands at the charging station. Even if there was a way to do it, they don't know how to write software.

oonowindoo

I dont think other cars would wanna be tracked like that anyway.....

Obviously there are not enough charging stations, that is the only reason to even have something like that.
I have yet heard the need to track how long the wait at a Gas station is. cuz there isn't any.

SamDoe1

They don't have to track the cars, they just need a link in with the charging company that says how many of the chargers are in use and how long they've been charging. That's literally it. It's not like Tesla's system gives a down to the minute indication of wait time, it just says no, low, medium, high. Google already does this with map locations so it's not impossible.

Apparently you've never been to a Costco gas station...

oonowindoo

Nope. i dont understand the logic behind it. Having to wait under the sun for 15 mins with AC on just to save $3 on a tank, when you can just go to the gas station around the corner and be in and out in 5 mins.

But that wait is a voluntary wait to save $$. Not the same as waiting for chargers because they are full.

anoop

If they don't track the cars, how can the provide information based on the number of cars waiting for a charger?

And how many charging companies is each auto company going to link with? We all know how great 3rd party APIs work in terms of security.

SamDoe1

Does the charger not know that there's a car plugged in and what the state of charge is for that car? Also, it's not an API, it's literally just an internet connection to a web page. The car doesn't need to send any info out, just has to receive it from a web page.

There aren't very many charging companies, this isn't hard. If Google can tell me in an instant whether or not a wide variety of restaurants are busy or not, it shouldn't be hard at all to figure this out.

anoop

ok.

Comfy

What you say is true, it’s all theoretically possible. But in practice they are under different corporations and each have their own software. There probably needs to be a single platform for all of this to interact together.
And each one likely don’t want to give away their monopoly to others for whatever reason.
Maybe someone like google / Apple should offer them a solution which everyone might accept (such as create an icon in Apple CarPlay/ android auto) that offers everything they need.
Right now these softwares are playing “you are the problem, not me” as evidenced in the video showing a Mach E struggling with an EA charger. You know what I mean.

SamDoe1

No, they don't need a single platform. They all just need to serve the data for the cars to pull information from which, to be honest, is not at all difficult to do. This is not impossible and it's certainly not something only Tesla can do. Again, someone with even a small modicum of technical knowledge can tell you this stuff. Stop believing BS twitter posts, it's basically the same as getting your news from OAN or Newsmax.

civicdrivr

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Electrify America is a subsidiary of VW.

#1 STUNNA

And it’s been a horrible experience for VW owners. Watch basically any road-trip video out of spec motors does with the Taycan, Id.4, or mach3

Sarlacc

And they are trying to sell the ID.4 on 3 years free from EA....except EA's network is hot garbage. and MOST of them are all level 1. So, its a bullshit offer.

Comfy

So why aren't they doing it? May be they don't it is important enough to divert their resources into.

In theory Tesla could go further and anticipate a future rush hour at charge station by analyzing what every car's probable destination and charge state is, but that would be too much invasion of privacy.

#1 STUNNA

All the hatters in here saying that the Tesla supercharger network is vastly superior to anything else and that’s why they’re buying a Tesla but then in their next breath saying that electrify America could totally do what Tesla does. Then if that’s true why are you buying a Tesla

kurtatx

Your logic is horribly broken.

#1 STUNNA

Andrei Karpathy, head of Tesla autonomy division, did an FSD Zoom presentation and went into detail about why they removed radar. The video was in YouTube and was privated so I haven’t found a full source yet, but this video has some good clips with great new info explaining why radar sucks compared to good vision

#1 STUNNA

how so

Comfy

please explain. That logic sounds fine to me. The proof is in the pudding........and Tesla totally owns it. LOL.

#1 STUNNA

Here’s the full Karpathy demonstration it’s at the 7:51:30 mark of an 8 and half hour video

kurtatx

That's not why I bought a Tesla.

Electrify America could totally do what Tesla does, but they don't.

So the only reason any of us buy a Tesla is the supercharger network? Has any of us said "I only bought the Tesla for the charger network?". It's a big contributor but none of us are likely buying the Tesla only for the charger network.