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There's something to be said about actual owners of the Teslas who not only sing the praises, but are also transparent with the issues with them.
I guess when you're all in on TSLA you don't have much choice other than to dodge legitimate concerns that you can't rebuke via a twitter link or 40 minute youtube video that nobody's going to watch
Brand loyalty is for suckers...
...brand loyalty to cars you don't own is delusion.
^ Tesla's profit does not come from selling EV, but from EV tax credits. Tesla has done an amazing job revolutionizing and evolving EV but once the big auto makers are fully into EV operation they'll be relegated to the premier EV market.
Again so much misleading statements. Its like judging a book by its cover.
The reality is, Tesla seems to make almost 30% profit per car it is making and that is much more than the industry average.
Again so much misleading statements. Its like judging a book by its cover.
The reality is, Tesla seems to make almost 30% profit per car it is making and that is much more than the industry average.
[Video from an unbiased source called "The Tesla Economist"]
You don't need to watch the whole thing, just the first few minutes will suffice. This information is available from multiple sources.
In the first 30 seconds, your source says "the literal truth is if Tesla did not sell regulatory credits, then they would not make a profit" only to follow it up with hypotheticals - "they could just as easily decide to make profit by not investing in so much future growth". 1) You can't just decide to make profits. 2) It makes me wonder how all of these legacy automakers are able to continue to grow will still profiting
Also, that 30% margin (29.4%) was from Guosen Securities, a Chinese financial firm that analyzed Model Y sales specific to China. Those margins are not applicable to any other Model Y outside of that market. In reality, Tesla's gross margin per vehicle is under $7k, which is 14%. Still good, but not sustainable from a business standpoint if those regulatory credits go away.
Agree. Right now “not buying any car” fits my needs best. Well said dude.
Then don't be a bootlicking uninformed fanboi for something you don't own and have never driven. I'm sorry man but a lot of the stuff you and Stunna post is straight up bullshit propaganda. Time to take a reality check.
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
In the first 30 seconds, your source says "the literal truth is if Tesla did not sell regulatory credits, then they would not make a profit" only to follow it up with hypotheticals - "they could just as easily decide to make profit by not investing in so much future growth". 1) You can't just decide to make profits. 2) It makes me wonder how all of these legacy automakers are able to continue to grow will still profiting
Also, that 30% margin (29.4%) was from Guosen Securities, a Chinese financial firm that analyzed Model Y sales specific to China. Those margins are not applicable to any other Model Y outside of that market. In reality, Tesla's gross margin per vehicle is under $7k, which is 14%. Still good, but not sustainable from a business standpoint if those regulatory credits go away.
Thanks for taking one for the team and watching it, I wasn't about to do so.
Also, that 30% margin (29.4%) was from Guosen Securities, a Chinese financial firm that analyzed Model Y sales specific to China. Those margins are not applicable to any other Model Y outside of that market. In reality, Tesla's gross margin per vehicle is under $7k, which is 14%. Still good, but not sustainable from a business standpoint if those regulatory credits go away.
So what, the last I heard Tesla China is still 100% owned by Tesla and is making a significant portion of the total Models 3 and Y. The fact that they’re even doing a good job from factory at Fremont, California is commendable. With every iteration of the factories, Tesla becomes more profitable. The Berlin and Austin factories will definitely make a positive impact on their financials when they come alive.
it’s not my problem if you simply cannot comprehend what is yet to come.
So what, the last I heard Tesla China is still 100% owned by Tesla and is making a significant portion of the total Models 3 and Y. The fact that they’re even doing a good job from factory at Fremont, California is commendable. With every iteration of the factories, Tesla becomes more profitable. The Berlin and Austin factories will definitely make a positive impact on their financials when they come alive.
it’s not my problem if you simply cannot comprehend what is yet to come.
So what, the last I heard Tesla China is still 100% owned by Tesla and is making a significant portion of the total Models 3 and Y. The fact that they’re even doing a good job from factory at Fremont, California is commendable. With every iteration of the factories, Tesla becomes more profitable. The Berlin and Austin factories will definitely make a positive impact on their financials when they come alive.
it’s not my problem if you simply cannot comprehend what is yet to come.
I don't think this guy ^^^ understands how to read financial statements or how corporate finance works. Even if he did, the fanboy goggles are on so tight that the confirmation bias cannot escape from his skull.
I don't think this guy ^^^ understands how to read financial statements or how corporate finance works. Even if he did, the fanboy goggles are on so tight that the confirmation bias cannot escape from his skull.
If a company has a 15% profit margin across the board, adding factories doesn't make that margin higher let alone magically double it.
If a company has a 15% profit margin across the board, adding factories doesn't make that margin higher let alone magically double it.
Correct. Factories are generally cost centers. The ways they typically help with the bottom line is if: 1) they add efficiencies which reduce the cost per unit manufactured; and/or 2) the existing profit margin on an individual unit is sufficient to add to the overall dollar total of profit (but the % would remain the same). Not knowing all of the details of Tesla's operating structure and manufacturing pipeline, I would have to guess that they are going for #1. If they are simply adding factories based solely on projected demand, without finding ways to drive down costs in the meantime, then bad things happen to profitability.
Then don't be a bootlicking uninformed fanboi for something you don't own and have never driven. I'm sorry man but a lot of the stuff you and Stunna post is straight up bullshit propaganda. Time to take .
For the record, I treat you and everyone else with respect.
There’s no rule that those posting about a particular brand and model have to own it before liking or posting about it (unless the mods indicate to me otherwise). And this is specifically a Tesla thread.
I love the lighthearted one liners though.
For the record, I treat you and everyone else with respect.
There’s no rule that those posting about a particular brand and model have to own it before liking or posting about it (unless the mods indicate to me otherwise). And this is specifically a Tesla thread.
I love the lighthearted one liners though.
The problem is that you call out people who own Teslas and have years of experience/knowledge about engineering, manufacturing, finance, and all of the other things as liars/idiots and not knowing what they're talking about because some Youtube video or twitter post tells you otherwise. I, along with others, can unequivocally tell you that mostly everything you say/parrot is false and/or misleading propaganda.
For the record, I treat you and everyone else with respect.
There’s no rule that those posting about a particular brand and model have to own it before liking or posting about it (unless the mods indicate to me otherwise). And this is specifically a Tesla thread.
I love the lighthearted one liners though.
Since when did that ever stop you from posting Tesla propaganda in non-Tesla Thread?
The fact that the "hatters" are buying Teslas should scare legacy auto companies and cast serious doubt on the "the competition is coming" talking point. Though the hatters talk endlessly about the competition their actions and pocketbooks demonstrate that there is no competition, because if there was real competition then the hatters wouldn't be buying Teslas.
If the hatters that talk about interior quality, panel gaps, turning circle, build quality issues, etc admit that in the end they can't find a better vehicle than a Tesla then the normal person who doesn't care as much about those things are going to be even more likely to buy a Tesla than these hardcore hatters.
Interesting spin from someone who isn’t buying one.
it’s been noted time and time again. Tesla has the battery tech and the charging infrastructure. I really like the model Y. But I also liked the Mach-e and would have lseriosuly considered that, but it’s my wife’s car and she didn’t like the way the chassis felt. Not to mention, again, lack of charging infrastructure, Ford trying to command a premium on a mass market car, and a potential 6 month wait for msrp. Nope I’ll stick with established for now. And if it was just a commuter car and not our main trip vehicle/kid hauler we would have looked more seriously at Kona EV or Niro.
Soooo as usual you run your fingers on the keyboard with very clue or knowledge about anything. Thanks for not disappointing.
If the hatters that talk about interior quality, panel gaps, turning circle, build quality issues, etc admit that in the end they can't find a better vehicle than a Tesla then the normal person who doesn't care as much about those things are going to be even more likely to buy a Tesla than these hardcore hatters.
Thank you for reconfirming that legacy auto can't win for all the reasons you listed above
you put down a REFUNDABLE deposit just like every other schmo who got excited/giddy/amused at the announcement. I know tons of people who did as well. I’m betting maaaaaybe one actually goes through with the order.
All you’ve done is contributed to Musk using the interest off your deposit to further his R&D and production.
you put down a REFUNDABLE deposit just like every other schmo who got excited/giddy/amused at the announcement. I know tons of people who did as well. I’m betting maaaaaybe one actually goes through with the order.
All you’ve done is contributed to Musk using the interest off your deposit to further his R&D and production.
Is there another way to order a Tesla Cybertruck that I don't know about?
The fact that the "hatters" are buying Teslas should scare legacy auto companies and cast serious doubt on the "the competition is coming" talking point. Though the hatters talk endlessly about the competition their actions and pocketbooks demonstrate that there is no competition, because if there was real competition then the hatters wouldn't be buying Teslas.
If the hatters that talk about interior quality, panel gaps, turning circle, build quality issues, etc admit that in the end they can't find a better vehicle than a Tesla then the normal person who doesn't care as much about those things are going to be even more likely to buy a Tesla than these hardcore hatters.
That's one way to spin it. Or Tesla should be concerned we'll leave for a better car if Tesla quality doesn't improve.
Just because you like something does not mean you have to bend over and lick everything from head to toe...
The more you defend the flaws as they dont exist, the more it makes you look like a Trumpette, or maybe i should say Muskette.
Cuz that is what Trumpettes do...
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At least none of y’all are dumb enough to think hydrogen is going to take over
You can't just look at the number of stations. It takes roughly 5 min to fill a hydrogen tank. So while 12 EVs sit at each of their stations for an hour, you can have 12 hydrogen cars filled up in that same amount of time.
I'm actually surprised that there aren't more manufacturers interested in hydrogen. Alex on Autos in one of his videos made the case that the energy density of fuel cell far exceeds that of a lithium ion battery. I couldn't find the video, but this blog captures a lot of his points and perhaps more. https://www.rebresearch.com/blog/hyd...battery-power/
06-16-2021, 11:22 PM
... my apology. 
But they gotta spin the next story and sing Tesla's praises just so the stock price goes up.
