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Humans don’t drive in the dark without headlights on. Well cameras with different light sensitivities may be able to do
it better than humans. Radars are mostly useful if there is a car in front and you are following it. A car cannot drive by itself in total darkness with only radar and no cameras or another car in front. Radar cannot detect the curvatures of road. What are you talking about….?
Tesla is opening Superchargers left and right, over 40 have opened in the US since Sept 1st, almost all of them are 250kw stations with at least 8 stalls each.
They've opened 224 new locations so far this year, that's a 20+% increase (1080 + 224 = 1304) in less than a year, they could get 300 this year.
Humans don’t drive in the dark without headlights on. Well cameras with different light sensitivities may be able to do
it better than humans. Radars are mostly useful if there is a car in front and you are following it. A car cannot drive by itself in total darkness with only radar and no cameras or another car in front. Radar cannot detect the curvatures of road. What are you talking about….?
Headlights only see so far. When you turn on autopilot it automatically turns on auto high beams (which sucks by the way, it's way too liberal with when it turns on/off) so it can see better. The Tesla cams don't see any better than I do in the dark, sometimes worse. You can turn on the feed from the cameras at any time to see what the cameras see.
A car cannot drive itself even in broad daylight with radar only but it does allow the car to see a lot further in the dark than cameras do.
I have not yet done a lot driving in the dark but now that it's getting dark earlier I'll have a lot more to report back on soon enough.
They care about what that data enables them to do, which is detect the type of crash it is in real-time and deploy the airbags in the safest way possible to reduce the chance of injury.
Some people value the life of their friends and family over clicky buttons and will buy the vehicle that does the best job at keeping them safe
They care about what that data enables them to do, which is detect the type of crash it is in real-time and deploy the airbags in the safest way possible to reduce the chance of injury.
Some people value the life of their friends and family over clicky buttons and will buy the vehicle that does the best job at keeping them safe.
Seriously? You really think that's the tradeoff anyone is advocating for in this discussion? It's rhetorical garbage like that which makes it difficult to take you seriously in terms of a good faith discussion.
I find it hard to believe that no other manufacturer does this kind of testing before releasing their products. I thought everyone does this. From what I understand almost all modern cars are pretty safe in such crash test scenarios.
BTW safety and reliability do matter in my purchase decisions. That’s why I’m wary of getting used cars.
I find it hard to believe that no other manufacturer does this kind of testing before releasing their products. I thought everyone does this. From what I understand almost all modern cars are pretty safe in such crash test scenarios.
BTW safety and reliability do matter in my purchase decisions. That’s why I’m wary of getting used cars.
They all do, it's just more propaganda bullshit. Instrumented crash testing is a huge part of automotive development.
They care about what that data enables them to do, which is detect the type of crash it is in real-time and deploy the airbags in the safest way possible to reduce the chance of injury.
Some people value the life of their friends and family over clicky buttons and will buy the vehicle that does the best job at keeping them safe
Tesla is opening Superchargers left and right, over 40 have opened in the US since Sept 1st, almost all of them are 250kw stations with at least 8 stalls each.
They've opened 224 new locations so far this year, that's a 20+% increase (1080 + 224 = 1304) in less than a year, they could get 300 this year.
so I’m wondering what would be the actual use of that feature? When you are driving why would you want to see the live video from cameras on your cellphone? If it’s a recorded one I can understand, you’ll need that as quick access to proof in case of accidents and stuff like that.
You surely don’t want people actively glued to their phone while driving just to see what their car can see, through their phones…????
Even when presumably FSD is active and available, the screen on the car is bigger and much more accessible than a tiny phone screen. I’m confused.
What do you plan on doing with those chargers? Having picnics there?
As you have already pointed out earlier, most people who charge at home, rarely if ever use superchargers in the vicinity of their hometown. Superchargers are mostly for road trips. And yes picnics are a good idea when they offer free wifi and snacks. It'll be great to hangout there in Cybertrucks.
so I’m wondering what would be the actual use of that feature? When you are driving why would you want to see the live video from cameras on your cellphone? If it’s a recorded one I can understand, you’ll need that as quick access to proof in case of accidents and stuff like that.
You surely don’t want people actively glued to their phone while driving just to see what their car can see, through their phones…????
Even when presumably FSD is active and available, the screen on the car is bigger and much more accessible than a tiny phone screen. I’m confused.
Check on your pet in dog mode. Check on your car remotely after receiving a sentry mode alert without going outside are 2 obvious ones
so I’m wondering what would be the actual use of that feature? When you are driving why would you want to see the live video from cameras on your cellphone? If it’s a recorded one I can understand, you’ll need that as quick access to proof in case of accidents and stuff like that.
You surely don’t want people actively glued to their phone while driving just to see what their car can see, through their phones…????
Even when presumably FSD is active and available, the screen on the car is bigger and much more accessible than a tiny phone screen. I’m confused.
I don't think is streaming video while driving. You can already see live feeds of that via the main screen if you want. It's streaming video while parked.
Originally Posted by Comfy
As you have already pointed out earlier, most people who charge at home, rarely if ever use superchargers in the vicinity of their hometown. Superchargers are mostly for road trips. And yes picnics are a good idea when they offer free wifi and snacks. It'll be great to hangout there in Cybertrucks.
Sure. This is all great if you actually have a Tesla. If you don't then you look like an idiot.
so where are the people now that telling me $100 or $250 deposit equal to fix price of delivery?. California registeration moving up as price and weight increases. This Cyber truck will weigh 7,000lbs for half decent capability. there is no way they are going to put skinnly like 265 width tires on it.
If you can't youtube via Android auto/Apple carplay (legally), what makes them think you can stream video in a Tesla...
only if some ppl actually think.
Ahead of promised availability in the US, Tesla has begun offering a CCS adapter for owners of its cars in South Korea. The long-awaited move was announced without much fanfare or explanation why it was happening at this precise point in time, with South Korean Tesla owners joining those in Europe in being able to easily access non-Tesla charging stations.
European buyers, of course, have had this option for a while compared to those in North America—European market Teslas now use the CCS connector. But its arrival in the US as an official Tesla item is still on the horizon, with Tesla only indicating that it will arrive in North America "soon." If pricing in South Korea is any indication, such an adapter could be offered for about $255.
The timing of the debut of both types of adapters was believed to be close for a number of reasons, including the fact that third-party stations have grown in number to a point where they would offer added flexibility to Tesla owners, while the number and variety of non-Tesla EVs has started reaching a point where opening the Supercharger network to other brands might make sense for Tesla now that the case for excluding other EVs has waned.
Tesla has used its own proprietary connector as a selling point for much of its existence, of course, and it continues to be purchase a factor for Tesla buyers. But as the number of non-Tesla EVs has grown, there has been an expectations that the connector standards would eventually allow for interoperability, since Tesla owners could end up in a minority in the future and therefore at a disadvantage on the road.
The second type of adapter—one that would allow non-Tesla EVs to use Tesla Superchargers—could pose some technical hurdles of its own, as non-Tesla EVs might need software to permit them to talk to Tesla's Supercharger stations, and could be a process that may need to occur on a brand-by-brand basis.
Depending on when both types of adapters arrive, these events should serve to promote EV ownership as a whole now that the numbers of third-party stations have begun to swell, compared to roughly half a decade ago when it was a much different landscape.
Is CCS even that big in the US? I thought almost everything was J1772 or CHAdeMO.
No red text, Sam? All the non-Tesla DCFC are CCS, with maybe one or two chademo adapters at site (although Electrify America has said they're not installing CHAdeMO on the newer sites). J1772 is L2.
In terms of number of DCFC locations, there are more CCS stations than Tesla SC in North America. Of course, Tesla has them beat in terms of actual number of chargers.
No red text, Sam? All the non-Tesla DCFC are CCS, with maybe one or two chademo adapters at site (although Electrify America has said they're not installing CHAdeMO on the newer sites). J1772 is L2.
In terms of number of DCFC locations, there are more CCS stations than Tesla SC in North America. Of course, Tesla has them beat in terms of actual number of chargers.
Nope, not red text, I actually didn't know this. I thought that J1772 was scalable to DCFS states just like a Tesla plug is. CHAdeMO is being phased out as no one uses it anymore other than Nissan.
NTSB shared more info on the Texas crash that the media falsely blamed on AutoPilot
Electric Vehicle Run-off-Road Crash and Postcrash Fire
Investigation Details
What Happened
This information is preliminary and will be supplemented or corrected during the course of the investigation.
An investigative update, dated October 21, 2021, is included below.
About 9:07 p.m. central daylight time on Saturday April 17, 2021, a 2019 Tesla Model S P100D electric car, occupied by the 59-year-old owner and a 69-year-old passenger, was westbound on Hammock Dunes Place, a residential road in Spring, Harris County, Texas, when it crashed and caught fire.[1] Hammock Dunes Place is a concrete two-lane road with one westbound and one eastbound lane and mountable concrete curbs on either side. At the crash location, the roadway was level, with a curve to the south (figure 1). The roadway was equipped with streetlights but did not have lines to define the travel lanes. No speed limit signs were posted in the crash area, but the maximum speed limit for the road was 30 mph.
The crash trip originated at the owner's residence near the end of a cul-de-sac. Footage from the owner's home security camera shows the owner entering the car's driver's seat and the passenger entering the front passenger seat. The car leaves and travels about 550 feet before departing the road on a curve, driving over the curb, and hitting a drainage culvert, a raised manhole, and a tree.
The crash damaged the front of the car's high-voltage lithium-ion battery case, where a fire started. The fire destroyed the car, including the onboard storage device inside the infotainment console (figure 2). The car’s restraint control module, which can record data associated with vehicle speed, belt status, acceleration, and airbag deployment, was recovered but sustained fire damage. The restraint control module was taken to the NTSB recorder laboratory for evaluation.
The vehicle was equipped with Autopilot, Tesla’s advanced driver assistance system. Using Autopilot requires both the Traffic Aware Cruise Control and the Autosteer systems to be engaged.[2] NTSB tests of an exemplar car at the crash location showed that Traffic Aware Cruise Control could be engaged but that Autosteer was not available on that part of the road.
As a result of the crash and fire, both car occupants were fatally injured. The NTSB continues to collect data to analyze the crash dynamics, postmortem toxicology test results, seat belt use, occupant egress, and electric vehicle fires. The NTSB is working alongside the Harris County Texas Precinct 4 Constable's Office, which is conducting a separate, parallel investigation. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Tesla are supporting the NTSB in the investigation.
Investigative Update, October 21, 2021
Investigative activities since the May 10, 2021 preliminary report was issued include a forensic examination to evaluate the deformation of the steering wheel. In addition, the NTSB Recorders Laboratory repaired the car’s event data recorder (EDR) and extracted critical precrash data from the unit.
Steering Wheel Examination
A postcrash inspection of the car showed that the steering wheel was damaged and deformed. The steering wheel was removed and transported to the NTSB Materials Laboratory for detailed examination. Initial results indicate that although some damage was caused by the intense heat of the postcrash fire, deformation along the top and left side of the steering wheel’s outer rim, as shown in figure 3, was due to an impact.
Figure 3. Steering wheel viewed from left. Yellow dotted line shows measured displacement of outer rim from top right front corner of center hub cover.
Event Data Recorder
With the assistance of the EDR module manufacturer, the NTSB Recorders Laboratory repaired and downloaded the fire-damaged EDR. Data from the module indicate that both the driver and the passenger seats were occupied, and that the seat belts were buckled when the EDR recorded the crash. The data also indicate that the driver was applying the accelerator in the time leading up to the crash; application of the accelerator pedal was found to be as high as 98.8 percent. The highest speed recorded by the EDR in the 5 seconds leading up to the crash was 67 mph. [3]
As part of the investigative process, the NTSB is evaluating the EDR data and comparing it with the physical evidence documented from the crash scene and the vehicle. The data are also being compared with information developed by the NTSB Vehicle Performance Division in its analysis of security video showing the car at the beginning of the crash trip.
The information in this update is preliminary and subject to change as the NTSB investigation progresses. Analysis of the crash facts, along with conclusions and a determination of probable cause, will come when the final report on the investigation is completed. No conclusions about how the crash happened should be drawn from the information in this investigative update. Additional information will be released as warranted. All aspects of the crash, including Tesla’s advanced driver assistance system, the postcrash fire, occupant egress, and results of the driver’s toxicological tests, remain under investigation while the NTSB determines the probable cause, with the intent of issuing safety recommendations to prevent similar events in the future.
So two drunk idiots got in a P100D, floored it, hit 67MPH going around a bend on a 30MPH residential street, went off the road, and died. At no point what AutoPilot involved. It's amazing how the facts of the crash are so wildly different than what was originally reported by the media, but also there was enough evidence available at the time of the initial reporting that the media reports could've been much more accurate than they were if they wanted to be. Actually, this is a nonstory, something like this probably happens in an ICE car every day in this country and it never makes national news but the media jumped all over the chance to blame a crash on AutoPilot. Why were you guys so desperate to blame this crash on AutoPilot? Why was I called a "deluded asshole" for being right?
Nope, not red text, I actually didn't know this. I thought that J1772 was scalable to DCFS states just like a Tesla plug is. CHAdeMO is being phased out as no one uses it anymore other than Nissan.
The top part of the CCS adapter is the standard J1772. For DC, they have a separate 2 pin connector at the bottom which is usually covered by a separate flap on the charging port. That's why the CCS adapter looks so unwieldy.
Tesla sells a CHAdeMO adapter that currently allows them to use the non-Tesla DCFCs, but it's limited to something like 50 kW. The Tesla-CCS adapter allows up to 150 kW I believe.
The top part of the CCS adapter is the standard J1772. For DC, they have a separate 2 pin connector at the bottom which is usually covered by a separate flap on the charging port. That's why the CCS adapter looks so unwieldy.
Tesla sells a CHAdeMO adapter that currently allows them to use the non-Tesla DCFCs, but it's limited to something like 50 kW. The Tesla-CCS adapter allows up to 150 kW I believe.
That still blows though because the Tesla plug allows 250kW. Not like it goes up that high for very long when charging but it's a big part of what helps the 5-80% charge time. Whatever though, there's enough of a supercharger network that I really don't care at this point.
You are receiving this email because telemetry from your vehicle was flagged for improper usage of the FSD Beta feature.
Specifically, while using the FSD Beta feature, you or another driver of your vehicle received:
Two or more “strikeouts,” which resulted in the loss of Autopilot availability for that drive; or
At least one “strike” per 5 km (about 3 miles) driven on Autopilot, which is a visual and audible warning that requires attention.
This is your only warning to please keep your hands on the wheel and remain attentive at all times when using Autopilot. The car is not autonomous, and if you aren’t paying attention, a crash could happen, and you or others could get hurt, or worse, so failure to abide by this warning will result in removal of the FSD Beta feature from your vehicle.
The Tesla Team
What monitoring does GM SuperCruise have to restrict people who abuse their product and put themselves and others in danger?
That still blows though because the Tesla plug allows 250kW. Not like it goes up that high for very long when charging but it's a big part of what helps the 5-80% charge time. Whatever though, there's enough of a supercharger network that I really don't care at this point.
Yeah, probably doesn't make sense for someone like you if there's lots of SC around. It's basically for emergencies, or convenience as a lot of CCS locations are in the usual convenient spots like Walmart and just off the highway. Also if your favourite V2 Supercharger stations are over 50% capacity, I believe charging rates are halved/split? Doesn't apply to V3 SC of course, but another option if you do have the CCS adapter and there's an EA or something nearby.
Up here in Canada, the local Petro Canada gas stations have rolled out 350 kW CCS chargers all along the main highways; and Shell is following suit. So road-tripping with CCS (at least here) is extremely viable now.
10-11-2021, 09:58 PM
No red text, Sam? All the non-Tesla DCFC are CCS, with maybe one or two chademo adapters at site (although Electrify America has said they're not installing CHAdeMO on the newer sites). J1772 is L2. 
