Yumcha

Those jerky British jerky jerks don't have Tesla (any of them in the Top 10) for EVs. Jerks. Hatters. JERKS!!!


https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ele...-to-know-about

Yumcha

Clearly, Top Gear is biased against Tesla. How dare dey.

SamDoe1

JFC, next you're going to tell me that Trump won the election but Biden got in because of the media.

kurtatx

He's literally a walking contradiction.

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oonowindoo

So in other word, Camera is not any better than Radar.. the reason for the switch is...?

anoop

It's not any better for the tests done by IIHS, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work better in other scenarios.

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Would you pay $250/per car for radar plus the added complexity if you could make a system just as good without it that costs less?

I posted a video earlier from the head of Tesla's autonomy division explaining why they got rid of radar, watch that video if you want to know the answer.

oonowindoo

OK. like what?
I can also say radar could also work better in the other other scenarios......

This will become a meaningless comparison If you dont wanna compare apple to apple and start comparing apple to oranges, then we can play that all day.

oonowindoo

That only makes sense if Tesla REDUCES $250 per car by switching to Camera, because they can provide an alternative just as good but for cheaper since the car ALREADY HAD radar before. So why would we pay more for something that has been on the car for years?
If that is the case, then i agree it makes sense. But i dont think that is the case here.

Asking head of Tesla's autonomy division to explain why they got rid of radar is like asking the Kraken why she thinks Trump was a good President.

Comfy

So that when Tesla sells 1 million vehicles, it has quarter billion in it's pocket, and it's competitors don't....
Makes perfect sense to me. It's not rocket science. LOL

SamDoe1

There's more than one way to take $250 out of the cost of the car than to just take a part out, in fact that's the worst way to take cost out of a product. If you don't think a massive manufacturing company like Ford or GM knows how to take $250 out of a car you're crazy. They likely do more than that every year on every car they sell. If they took this part out and saved $250 why did they raise the price of the car by $500?

In any case, like I said before, the Tesla Vision that my car had when I got it was pretty much on par with our Subaru's EyeSight system. It was pretty jerky and unsure of itself at times. Sometimes it would slam on the brakes randomly and well ahead of an object, other times it would sound the collision alarm when I was a LONG way from the car in front, etc. It admittedly wasn't very good and nowhere close to as good as the radar based system my VW had. The update mentioned above was pushed to my car last night so I haven't tried it yet but will report back on it hopefully today.

Source of info: Me, because I actually own one and drive it every day.

Sarlacc

My friend has 2 Y performance models. One with radar and one without.

he says Teslavision performs much better and prefers it.

oonowindoo

But does it now? No.. so stop day dreaming.

Yah u know when I won the lotto,i could go get a $3.5M Bugatti too...

I guess only Tesla fanboys would praise Telsa for not passing the savings to the customers in some ways (in MSRP or options) and then actually thank Elon musk for doing that. Cuz u know #logic

oonowindoo

That depends, is your friend someone like Comfy who is delusional or someone like Sam who is more objective on the thing he owns?
from what i have seen, the Tesla to their fanboys is more like a religion than a car company.

SamDoe1

Prefers it how/why?

Sarlacc

my friend is the one who was a bmw nut for the past 20+ but wanted to go EV and bimmer isn’t there yet. So his leases were up (m5 and x340m) and he went to Tesla for the time being. He is more like us but he likes the cars and acknowledges their where they are weak.

Sarlacc

he said it drives more natural, less phantom braking and more centered in the lanes.

He has a farm that a little over an hour away from the city back east. So he uses FSD a lot.

Comfy

That’s encouraging. May be Sam can give us more firsthand information. I’m glad the tide is turning.

Comfy

Well, both are needed to make this message board complete and entertaining at the same time. Being delusional is not necessarily a bad thing in this case.

pttl

Being delusional is ALWAYS a bad thing.

oonowindoo

he is delusional about being delusional.... that is some inception type of shit.

Comfy

cmon guys. It’s not about me. It’s Lord Elon who’s delusional. .

anoop

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/lucid...123023134.html
“Ultimately, it's the technology that's going to win, and what's missing here is the recognition that this is a technology race,” he says. “And right now, there is one runner in that tech race and it's Tesla. That's why Tesla commands that market cap. That's why it's in that preeminent position.”

SamDoe1

Strange, I have the exact opposite experience though my views on the radar guided car was not in another Tesla so that's probably why.

Being delusional is most definitely a bad thing.

Anyway, update on the updated vision software. It's definitely better than before. Less jerky and weird feeling for sure. That said, it still isn't the holy grail of self driving that I was led to believe by some on this forum. I, without a shadow of a doubt, would not trust this car drive itself based on my experience with it so far. I would end up dead or dismembered pretty fast. It's certainly good and more natural than before the update but it's not substantially better than our Subaru's self driving tech. It basically went from a freshly permitted 15 year old to a mildly experienced 18 year old in terms of driving skill. Just to note, this is experience using auto steer on highways and city streets that are marked. I do not have the FSD package and, based on my experience so far, I dodged a $10k bullet by not getting it. I have not yet tried it in rain, snow or any other adverse conditions yet but I certainly will when I get the chance. That'll be the real test.

Source: Me because I own one and drive it every day

Legend2TL

Another excellent reverse engineering video by Professor John Kelly from Weber University.

I'm middle of the road on Tesla but their battery/motor/electronics/infotainment technology is second to none.

ttribe

Let us know if you die.

SamDoe1

I will be sure to post here from the afterlife.

ttribe

We expect nothing less, otherwise

Comfy

But you should start a separate thread for the afterlife cases.

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SamDoe1

I'm super glad I didn't pay $10k for a beta that I can't even download lol.

anoop

Some insights into why a Telsa didn't win Car & Driver's EV of the Year award. I was actually surprised they gave it to the Mach E given Tesla's charging network and infotainment and MPGe advantages, not to mention more comfortable seats and overall futuristic look and feel.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/succe...h-e/index.html
The Teslas in the competition -- a Model S, a Model 3 and a Model Y -- were hampered by quality problems.
At one point, the cruise control system on the Tesla Model Y abruptly stopped working with no warning, said Sharon Silke Carty, Car and Driver's editor-in-chief, in an interview with CNN Business.
"All of a sudden I was going 30 in the middle of the highway," she said.
The touchscreen system, which is critical because it operates most of the Tesla's controls, stopped working not long after the car arrived for testing, the review said. Car and Driver also noted poor fits between parts and a "grating squeak" from the rear seat.
The Model 3 had a large gap around the hood, Car and Driver noted. Another Tesla they tested, the Model S, only had 3,600 miles on it but its front motor failed. It was repaired and the car continued the tests, but the incident ended its chance of winning the award, Car and Driver said. The Tesla Model X SUV was not included in the tests because of its low sales, according to the publication.

civicdrivr

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This is an outrage. We've got to find out how much money Ford pays C&D for advertising.

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Bill works at Giga Nevada

Comfy

See the directional intent of pedestrians.
This stuff is only beta.

No but full autonomy is decades away, right.

pttl

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I’d been wondering how FSD would handle emergency vehicles, that’ll be interesting