deandorsey

it will only be the concept already shown, no new news there

Texas

^^^ yes i know but you missed my statement of trying to garner some info...there will be some one there to talk to...long shot i know...

Mokos23

Honda is good at concealing or keeping pictures of the next Accord sedan a secret. That CGI isn't the final product of course. Whereas, Toyota and Nissan they are more open to showing their next gen cars well over a year in advance before the car is released. Examples are the Altima coupe, Camry, and the IS

Texas

^^^

TL CHROMETIDE

TOV got some info:

Link:

http://www.vtec.net/modelmatrix/

TL CHROMETIDE

Is Honda still sending the power to the front for the Accord?

AsianRage

Until both Camry and Altima goes RWD, I wouldn't expect otherwise.

MaximaPower

i dont understand why the accord will have nearly same power as TL type S, unless the next TL is going to have over 300hp...so i'd say if this is tru bout the accord then shawd will be in the next TL to handle power

biker

I don't see those HP numbers happening - Honda just keeps up, it doesn't get into HP wars.

The TSX intro date is possible but that would mean virtually no MY08 - info should be out by the Frankfurt auto show (sept?).

I think the diesel will make it into more models.

MaximaPower

that's wat toyota said

Infamous425

well, the past 3 generations of accords have had more hp than the camry so 280hp sounds about right

Texas

Torque around 240-250 or at least TL level of 233 would be nice....while wishing...sport shift for us A/T fans..then if the coupe of 4-dr Accord does not suit you ...Acura will have to push up..wins for all...

MaximaPower

is this english?

biker

They weren't going for HP wars - it was convenient to whore out the existing 3.5L V6 - if they had a lesser modern V6 they would have used it. Of course the same thing could happen with the Accord. A 3.5L V6 seems to be what everyone is providing these days. But with the weight gains all sedans seem to be having I don't foresee a great improvement in millage nor performance.

MaximaPower

toyo's 3.5 is pretty brand new....also, they had a very short lived 3.3 V6...if they weren't going for HP, that 3.3 would have done just fine

Texas

Kings for some...sorry old chap...

biker

But that 3.3 was of a very old design and was being dropped across the board. They just don't have anything else between the ~170HP 4 cyl and the 3.5L V6 that will be whored out into a lot of vehicles they make.

Honda doesn't have anything either and they'll end up in the same boat - their 3.5L V6 will used in everything bigger than a Civic (even if those HP levels are not needed). The only diff being is that A-VTEC might buy them a few HP and some millage improvement (most of which will be lost to increased weight)

MaximaPower

very old design? how u figure?
3.3 was whored out as well....toyo made a bigger engine to keep up or even be ahead of competition....they said they weren't getting into the hp war but they did...nissans 3.5 lasted longer than toyos 3.3

Edward'TLS

Not likely because the Accord, Camry, and Altima are family sedans that stress price and safety rather than performance. RWD layout adds more cost and complexity to a car. FWD configuration is more forgiving to the average family orientated drivers due to its tendency to understeer rather than oversteer. FWD is more capable in the snow and ice in an all-year-round family car.

People looking for performance sedans can look at the TL, GSxxx, and G35. So family sedans will remain to be FWD (or AWD) for years to come.

Edward'TLS

Honda is very good at tuning big horsepower out of small engines (torque otherwise). It's philosphy is to be enviromental friendly, use the smallest engine possible to do the job, and to maintain a high fleet mileage among other auto makers. In fact, it has the highest fleet mileage among all auto makers, thanks to the abudently-used 4 cylinder's and the absence of V8's.

See how long it took the Civic line to go from 1.5 to 1.6 to 1.8 to now 2.0 liters of displacement, and how the Accord V6 remains to be 3L over the years but just crank up the horsepower to match competitions. Only in the heavy van and trucks that the 3.5V6 is used due to high engine torque demands in heavier vehicles which hauls people and pull loads, until the debuts of larger displacement diesel or turbo-diesel engines not too long from now.

biker

But in terms of design the current crop of engines other than the 3.5 are somewhat dated and if Honda decides to only add A-VTEC to the 3.5 engine and whore that out across the line the Accord might end up with it instead of something smaller. Trying to get 280HP out of the 3.0 or 3.2 engines is getting up there near the 100HP/l mark where they have to start using expensive trickery to get more HP. I think all makers realize Nissan had it right - design something really good and whore it out across the line (even if it's too much or too little for the application) to save costs.

dom

Isn't the 3.5L dated as well?

F23A4

As long as the motor started out as a good, solid motor (i.e.: J30A1, VQ30DE) and continuously developed as the years progressed (i.e.: J35A, VQ35HR) then, there is no reason to abandon it in favor of something new just for newness sake.

With all due respect to Toyota, the MZ motor was never in the same league as the J series or VQ; something new (i.e.: 2GR) was definitely needed. The same need not be said for the VQ and J.

That said, I do think it is important to differentiate between "dated" and "venerable".

Costco

^venerable, yes! When I think of dated I think of the JZ engine.... relatively few upgrades for the long period of time that it has been around. Also, its a OHC engine with an iron block.... how often do you see those around nowadays? Then again it didn't really need much upgrades, Toyota just left it to the imagination of all the tuners out there...

I don't get all this talk about Toyota's MZ and Nissan's VQ or even Honda's J engines being dated, at all. The 3.3 MZ was first used in 2003-2004 in the Highlander and Camry, Nissan's VQ has constantly been updated with changes year after year, including displacement increases and power improvements, and the same goes for Honda's J series.

Edward'TLS

Honda may not be the best in building cars, but it is the best in building engines. There is still FSI and turbo-charging, to name a few, that can be applied to the 3.0V6 to squeeze out more horsepower. For Honda, that's a no brainer. The major obstacle is how to use all that horsepower on a FWD car without negatively affecting the driverability and handling dynamics.

Mokos23

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=673444

Date: April 12, 2007 19:57
Submitted by: Jeff
Source: HowardForums via Sanjay Mehta
Credibility Rating: Not Specified


Somebody just sent this link to us. Too bad 'wizard8873' didn't contact us first - he/she could have made a few bucks.

Click the pic to see the rest of the photos in their full resolution.



I don't know about you, but if this is really the Accord 08 coupe, it really looks a lot less aggressive (imo) than the Accord concept.

Ken1997TL

Its disguised still. Lots of white tape on the front, rear and side glass area. Dunno if those wheels will make it to production or not.

Mokos23

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1143586

That is the place where I clicked on vtec and where there are more pics of the 08 Accord coupe

mg7726

spyshots of the new accord,

howard forums: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1143586
and
vtec.net: http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=673444

Mokos23

Pics

LuvMyTSX

I like the front, not so much the back...but I'll reserve judgement till the production model comes out.

Mokos23

how do you like it? i just saw pics too and it doesn't look as aggressive as the concept. but, its still has white tape on it so maybe that's why.

chungkopi

noice!

dom

I love the profile of the car. If it has the rumored 280HP this will be a big success for Honda.

GreenMonster

I like it, but it also makes me sad... If the accord is this good Acura has no reason to come out with a replacement for the CL

SG81

iTrader: (1)

not bad, but it reminds me of a Solara

dom

If the Acura version is AWD or RWD they have all the reason in the world.

From what we've seen so far, the Accord coupe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Altima coupe. IMO.

West6MT

X 2

mg7726

me likey.

i hope honda 1) gets rid of the rice lights a la altima, late model mdx, and pilot - they're ghetto; 2) put back the concept bumper for the exhaust - or make it a HFP option; 3) an upgraded interior; 4) increase the upward angle on the lip spoiler a little; 5) love the huge rear windshield - loads of visibility.

yes!

Moog-Type-S

That rear shot screams Solara.
The front still does not appear to flow with the rest of the car.
I'll reserve judgement until the camo comes off, but I have a feeling it's gonna be too dumbed down from the concept.
I hope it's not