MeehowsBRZ

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I can't take anything you say after this seriously.

Black Tire

Funny you mention that. I remember when the first Lexus IS came to North America. LOL…everyone wanted those taillights on their cars. Heck, even after market makers of taillights were ripping off the Lexus IS tail lamps style.

Today, Lexus have their own distinctive style. The current Lexus IS is a gem and stand out from the crowd. Just a matter of time before everyone rips of their grills.

KIA/Hyundai hired most of Audi design department and it shows.

ThermonMermon

the best thing about the looks is the part that made me get into the last gen IS -- the fastback c-pillar, accompanied by the beltline cut and the crook in the window.

....so in summary, i like the part that copies a 2007 design.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

I am glad they didnt hire their "how much should this cost" department


about distinctive styling, i think a very few cars have that...BMW with the classic angel eyes AND grille....Audi with the LEDS (well not distinctive anymore LOL).....


I am not a huge huge fan of the Lexus's newly adopted grille, but I would rock that before I rock a stupid beak

MTEAZY

I don't doubt it's a good car, but why does almost every Genesis owner swap out the Hyundai badge? Even ttribe did it.

charliemike

I didn't say I was going to buy a MKZ. I said in that price range, the TLX has a ton of competition and they are fully intending to release a bowl of oatmeal.

Why would I drive a TLX when I don't like the way it looks? It's an Acura ES350 from what I can tell. Maybe that will sell more cars. If so, then it's the smart move.

Frankly, I'm not overly enamored with any of these cars. I think they're all too expensive.

The TLX may turn out to be a plain brown bag over a supermodel. In which case, I'd have to decide if that was worth it every time I looked at it. However, Acura has not built a car that I lusted after for more than a decade now. So for Acura to get ME into their dealership, they have to come out with something closer to the TLX Concept than what I saw on Autoblog yesterday.

And as I said there are about eight other cars in the $40K-50K range that are good enough to appeal to someone instead of the TLX. That is not a situation where I would say "eh" is good enough.

This, is IMO "eh":

charliemike

Hide the beak and that could be ANY car. Put a Buick badge on it and it's the next Lacrosse.

ttribe

So?

dom

I don't think the V6 -SH-AWD version is an Acura ES350. Especially if offered with an MT. The TLX seems to cover a broader range.

ttribe

Jack-Of-All-Trades, Master-Of-None?

dom

Never driven one so only going by what I heard and read. The 4th Gen TL was a pretty good sports sedan. Especially with the MT. I can't see how the TLX with that power train wouldn't be even better?

Fibonacci

Dude, give it a rest. Wait to drive one before you continue spitting on it.

Fibonacci

Not sure what you found so offensive about my post. I agreed that the Legend was a fine car for its day, but hardly represents the pinnacle of automotive design. If you don't care for my opinions, please put me on ignore, trust me I won't be offended.

For the record I think the BRZ is a nice car, just sorta plain looking and underpowered.

ttribe

What.The.Hell?

It was a legitimate question as a follow on to dom's statement. Who made you arbiter of what can be said in this thread?

Fibonacci

Well then spare us the melodrama. We're talking about mid-priced near lux commuters, not track day or supercars. For its price, I suspect the next TLX will be a fine all around commuter and sporty enough compared to its competitors, if not one of the sportiest under 45k.

I don't feel the need to "lust" after my daily driver, it needs to be safe, reliable, have a decent stereo and have a little edge to it when desired, which is exactly what I have in my 6MT.

ttribe

Who is "us"? Who, exactly, do you think you speak for? All you've said in this last sentence is your preferences are different from CM's, preceded by telling him that he can't express his in your opening sentence. How does that make any sense?

Fibonacci

Never claimed to be arbiter, don't be so sensitive. But why are you dogging a car you haven't even driven yet? Yeah, so what they toned down the styling of the show car - that was pretty much expected.

We've only seen poor quality pictures.
Let's see the car in the flesh.
Let's actually drive the car for real.
And then let's make a judgement.

ttribe

I'm not entirely sure why you've focused this ire on me, in particular. When the concept was shown, I stated I was cautiously optimistic. I agreed with several others who expressed disappointment that the initial pics of prototypes seem to indicate a substantial decrease in the styling quality from the concept. I am disappointed Acura continues to stubbornly adhere to its transverse-FWD-architecture. But, I'm hardly "dogging" this car.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

The concept looked pretty damn good. The leaked production version looks vanillarized just like other Acura cars.

Hope that's not the final version.

Fibonacci

Did you really believe Acura was going to change the same architecture they've been using on their sedans, since like...forever.

And I'm not picking on you or trying to make it personal, I just get the sense (wrongly perhaps) that the bimmerzine crowd will never be satisfied with an Acura product, they enjoy flashing their badge too much.

ttribe

No, but is it wrong to hope?

So, you're making assumptions based on stereotypes and don't actually know what I think. Got it.

BTW, prior to my M5, I (and my wife) had owned only Honda and Acura vehicles since 1993; six, in all (One Integra, three Accords, a Pilot, and a TL). I wanted this company to keep me in the fold as a customer and they let me down. I'm not alone.

Fibonacci

I have read many of your posts and am aware of your car history, but you're getting a bit butthurt on a casual comment. Chillax.


Speaks to the power and loyalty of the Honda brand doesn't it? That a company can keep pissing away brand equity, but people (like you) still care enough to keep rooting for itself to turn around and be the automotive company it is capable of being.

MTEAZY

The brakes look smaller here than on the 4G. I think this is the 4 cylinder.

fsttyms1

It didnt stop my dad who was set on another 5 series to go look at it when i told him about it. He drove off the lot in a new genesis (for about 20k less with the same options) and couldnt be happier. 150k trouble, rattle free miles. He is waiting till the new one comes out till he replaces his.

VR1

I get what your saying, but everytime I see the new Genesis that's all that comes to my mind. I feel that they could be a bit more orginal/subtle instead of blatantly ripping off other designs. Hell, I'm only 16 and have only seen like 2 pictures of the car and I was able to deduce those things in a matter of seconds. No doubt Hyundai has made great strides and 99% of people that buy this car will not care about their design ripping. I just hope the Genesis Coupe looks nothing like the new sedan because I love the coupe. I would take it over a 370Z or 5.0 any and everyday. I'm more excited to see what Kia brings to the table though, I like their designs (Sorento, Optima etc..) more then Hyundais.

ttribe

No one's butthurt.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

To be honest, I'd rather want Acura to actually rip other designs and make good looking cars than trying to come up with their "original" design and keep making effed up looking cars.

Hyundai have been copying other brands' design cues and producing cars that actually look good. That's all it matters. Every other brand takes the cues from other brands all the time. It's nothing new.

If a company can't build something that look great on its own, they should stop being stubborn bitches and at least try to copy others to make it right.

Who cares about being "original" when it looks like complete beak shit?

RPhilMan1

Maybe it is a bit of an optical illusion but the Advance wheels are 19" thus the TLX wheels could be 17".

qingcong

What?

MeehowsBRZ

Well, you did PAY MONEY for a 2010 TL. I should have expected you to call the Legend "meh" and the BRZ a "plain looking" car. But that's like dating the fattest chick around and telling all your buddies how anorexic all the other girls are... keep dreaming buddy.

Edward'TLS

Agree, especially that Honda lately is not particularly good in designing and building in-house engineering programs.

Honda has fucked up it's it-house 5-speed auto tranny, and also it's in-house 3.7L-V6 motor.

The 1st generation 5-speed auto box will self destruct without warning, and the 3.7L-V6 is an engine oil burner.

No wonder Honda has no choice but to seek outsider help in the upcoming 7/8/9-speed auto trannies.

jwong77

Well to be fair, most other manufacturers do this as well. I'd prefer they stay competitive and buy ZF transmissions (which I've heard good things about), than waste resources on transmissions (and not stay competitive) when they could be using them in better places.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

As far as I know, Honda is only sourcing the 9AT from ZF. the 7-DCT and 8-DCT are still in-house designs.

With that said, to be fair, almost all manufacturers need to out source their engineering programs....lol....BMW needs to get someone to do their turbochargers, water pumps. Most companies with DI engines need to get someone to come in to eliminate carbon deposit. Hyundai needs to out source their engines as they don't know how to test EPA ratings correctly. Audi and Mazda with their oil consumption issues...and the list goes on and on....

charliemike

I don't think it's an issue that they're outsourcing transmissions.

I didn't realize how big the 4G TL is/was ... It's the same length as a Genesis sedan. Even though the TLX is about 4" shorter it'll still be 5-12" longer than just about anything else from BMW, Lexus, Volvo, etc ...

Costco

Time will tell how Honda's DCT holds up...

Edward'TLS

I believe most buyers won't mind even if Honda outsources every major components on it's vehicles, as long as Acura products are constantly updated with the latest technologies that are available on the auto market or at least available on current competitor models.

The main point is to keep the Acura "Advance" image hyped up and to dazzle potential Acura buyers with latest technologies, without any break or delay; regardless of whether the technologies are build in-house or are outsourced.

kurtatx

That's a horrible analogy.

Fibonacci

If you're trying to hurt my feelings, try harder. You worry about your money, I'll worry about mine.


I'm not a player, I just crush a lot
Hey yo I'm still not a player but you still a hater...

MeehowsBRZ

And you're still the dude who paid money for a 2010 TL. ... but every village needs it's idiot.

jwong77

Agreed, its not really about the parts themselves, its what the sum of all the parts amounts to.