Acura: TLX News
08-05-2010, 12:32 AM
#5442
6G TLX-S
You also have to consider that ZDX is twice the weight of 1988 Prelude. It has very good fuel economy with 255/50/19 tires.
Genesis fuel economy was achieved with only 18inch 235mm wide tires.
wider the tires better comfort with less fuel economic.
ZDX has better hushed up wind noise despite being almost 8 inch taller and 10 inch wider than Prelude hence more area exposed to air friction.. (ACE body structure).
Genesis fuel economy was achieved with only 18inch 235mm wide tires.
wider the tires better comfort with less fuel economic.
ZDX has better hushed up wind noise despite being almost 8 inch taller and 10 inch wider than Prelude hence more area exposed to air friction.. (ACE body structure).
Recently, the ZDX has been proudly selected as one of the most overpriced vehicles by the auto column of AOL. In fact, out of the list of the 10 most overpriced vehicles, 3 entries belong to Honda/Acura products, namely the Honda Insight, the Honda RidgeLine, and the Acura ZDX.
http://autos.aol.com/article/overpriced-vehicles/
08-05-2010, 01:27 PM
#5443
^^I would argue that the TL could benefit from a $2000 dollar cut across the board. Look what the $2000 drop in price (in the form of front-wheel drive) did for the RDX sales.
08-05-2010, 01:48 PM
#5444
Yes, the ZDX is a good car, but is unfortunately stuck with too high a price tag, just like the RL.
Recently, the ZDX has been proudly selected as one of the most overpriced vehicles by the auto column of AOL. In fact, out of the list of the 10 most overpriced vehicles, 3 entries belong to Honda/Acura products, namely the Honda Insight, the Honda RidgeLine, and the Acura ZDX.
http://autos.aol.com/article/overpriced-vehicles/
Recently, the ZDX has been proudly selected as one of the most overpriced vehicles by the auto column of AOL. In fact, out of the list of the 10 most overpriced vehicles, 3 entries belong to Honda/Acura products, namely the Honda Insight, the Honda RidgeLine, and the Acura ZDX.
http://autos.aol.com/article/overpriced-vehicles/
just look at RX interior. it looks $10k down market in design. with poor ground clearance, poor handling, full second slower to quarter mile and not better fuel economy with skinny 235mm tires.
08-05-2010, 02:13 PM
#5445
I'm the Firestarter
I also agree it's not overpriced. The reason it's not selling is because it's kind of useless as vehicle. It's a truck with very little rear seat space and an almost non-existent trunk. It's no good for ferrying people or stuff, and it looks quirky on the outside. VERY few people can justify buying a vehicle with all these flaws, it's a niche product. But they have to charge a lot of money for it because it just costs that much to develop and produce.
I don't think lowering the price would help Acura sell these, there's just very few people who want that thing, even for less money.
I don't think lowering the price would help Acura sell these, there's just very few people who want that thing, even for less money.
08-05-2010, 05:48 PM
#5447
Senior Moderator
I dont think ZDX is overpriced. considering its power/handling/ground clearance/wind noise suppression/standard 19 inch rims with 6speed auto and latest tech and one of the best design interior.
just look at RX interior. it looks $10k down market in design. with poor ground clearance, poor handling, full second slower to quarter mile and not better fuel economy with skinny 235mm tires.
just look at RX interior. it looks $10k down market in design. with poor ground clearance, poor handling, full second slower to quarter mile and not better fuel economy with skinny 235mm tires.
08-05-2010, 06:03 PM
#5448
6G TLX-S
I dont think ZDX is overpriced. considering its power/handling/ground clearance/wind noise suppression/standard 19 inch rims with 6speed auto and latest tech and one of the best design interior.
just look at RX interior. it looks $10k down market in design. with poor ground clearance, poor handling, full second slower to quarter mile and not better fuel economy with skinny 235mm tires.
just look at RX interior. it looks $10k down market in design. with poor ground clearance, poor handling, full second slower to quarter mile and not better fuel economy with skinny 235mm tires.
08-05-2010, 06:29 PM
#5449
Since the RX is selling comparatively well, I guess the buyers are considering that the "Lexus" badge is more important than the "$10k down market in design. with poor ground clearance, poor handling, full second slower to quarter mile and not better fuel economy with skinny 235mm tires".
In peak times Lexus used to sale 26 to 28k vehicles a month. now it is 17 to 18k. and it will decline further with newer Audi A8. just like Infiniti QX finished LX.
Acura used to have 17 to 18K now it is 13k. decline of lexus brand is far larger than Acura by 2 to 1 in vehicle terms but Lexus offering are almost thrice of Acura. once you consider all the variations from hybrids to V8.
08-06-2010, 12:20 AM
#5450
6G TLX-S
Agree. Since less people are willing to pay premium, and since Lexus is a premium luxury brand but Acura isn't, it is logical that the decline of the luxury Lexus brand is far greater than the Acura brand.
08-06-2010, 08:37 AM
#5451
Acura has combined sales of 5000 of MDX/ZDX/RL that are in $45K category. 95% of them NA built. whose high priced sales are more effected.
Just building MDX in Japan would have cost closer to $65K.
MB has moved up market as it has majority of sales in E, GL, ML, S. and there is no major decline in that brand. This is called luxury brand. it supposed to immune from decline as only high networth people have surplus cash irrespective of recesssion. and those who are impacted they are looking for Value brand.
08-06-2010, 08:54 AM
#5452
אני עומד עם ישראל
Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura. Combined sales of LS/GX/GS are not more than 2500 per month on avg. these are cars solidly in $45K+ category except for GS350. All of them are Japan built.
Acura has combined sales of 5000 of MDX/ZDX/RL that are in $45K category. 95% of them NA built. whose high priced sales are more effected.
Just building MDX in Japan would have cost closer to $65K.
MB has moved up market as it has majority of sales in E, GL, ML, S. and there is no major decline in that brand. This is called luxury brand. it supposed to immune from decline as only high networth people have surplus cash irrespective of recesssion. and those who are impacted they are looking for Value brand.
Acura has combined sales of 5000 of MDX/ZDX/RL that are in $45K category. 95% of them NA built. whose high priced sales are more effected.
Just building MDX in Japan would have cost closer to $65K.
MB has moved up market as it has majority of sales in E, GL, ML, S. and there is no major decline in that brand. This is called luxury brand. it supposed to immune from decline as only high networth people have surplus cash irrespective of recesssion. and those who are impacted they are looking for Value brand.
Please clarify this with me.
08-06-2010, 09:45 AM
#5453
Senior Moderator
Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura. Combined sales of LS/GX/GS are not more than 2500 per month on avg. these are cars solidly in $45K+ category except for GS350. All of them are Japan built.
Acura has combined sales of 5000 of MDX/ZDX/RL that are in $45K category. 95% of them NA built. whose high priced sales are more effected.
Just building MDX in Japan would have cost closer to $65K.
MB has moved up market as it has majority of sales in E, GL, ML, S. and there is no major decline in that brand. This is called luxury brand. it supposed to immune from decline as only high networth people have surplus cash irrespective of recesssion. and those who are impacted they are looking for Value brand.
Acura has combined sales of 5000 of MDX/ZDX/RL that are in $45K category. 95% of them NA built. whose high priced sales are more effected.
Just building MDX in Japan would have cost closer to $65K.
MB has moved up market as it has majority of sales in E, GL, ML, S. and there is no major decline in that brand. This is called luxury brand. it supposed to immune from decline as only high networth people have surplus cash irrespective of recesssion. and those who are impacted they are looking for Value brand.
08-06-2010, 11:25 AM
#5454
I'm the Firestarter
^ Yeah, where's Acura's overpriced supercar?
08-06-2010, 12:26 PM
#5455
In fact, if someone was to go out and ask random people off the street to name a luxury car or a luxury brand, more then likely the overwhelming majority will say BMW, MB, or Lexus. Those are the big three nameplates for luxury in this country and even to an avg joe or someone who knows practically nothing about the car industry/market will it least have heard of those three brands when asked about luxury.
Of course, you will get some that will think of mention names like Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc as others, but you see more BMW, MB, and Lexus vehicles on the road then any of those really high end luxury companies obviously so BMW, MB, and Lexus are more visible to the public.
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08-06-2010, 02:45 PM
#5456
Senior Moderator
+1
In fact, if someone was to go out and ask random people off the street to name a luxury car or a luxury brand, more then likely the overwhelming majority will say BMW, MB, or Lexus. Those are the big three nameplates for luxury in this country and even to an avg joe or someone who knows practically nothing about the car industry/market will it least have heard of those three brands when asked about luxury.
Of course, you will get some that will think of mention names like Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc as others, but you see more BMW, MB, and Lexus vehicles on the road then any of those really high end luxury companies obviously so BMW, MB, and Lexus are more visible to the public.
In fact, if someone was to go out and ask random people off the street to name a luxury car or a luxury brand, more then likely the overwhelming majority will say BMW, MB, or Lexus. Those are the big three nameplates for luxury in this country and even to an avg joe or someone who knows practically nothing about the car industry/market will it least have heard of those three brands when asked about luxury.
Of course, you will get some that will think of mention names like Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc as others, but you see more BMW, MB, and Lexus vehicles on the road then any of those really high end luxury companies obviously so BMW, MB, and Lexus are more visible to the public.
08-06-2010, 03:45 PM
#5457
+1
In fact, if someone was to go out and ask random people off the street to name a luxury car or a luxury brand, more then likely the overwhelming majority will say BMW, MB, or Lexus. Those are the big three nameplates for luxury in this country and even to an avg joe or someone who knows practically nothing about the car industry/market will it least have heard of those three brands when asked about luxury.
Of course, you will get some that will think of mention names like Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc as others, but you see more BMW, MB, and Lexus vehicles on the road then any of those really high end luxury companies obviously so BMW, MB, and Lexus are more visible to the public.
In fact, if someone was to go out and ask random people off the street to name a luxury car or a luxury brand, more then likely the overwhelming majority will say BMW, MB, or Lexus. Those are the big three nameplates for luxury in this country and even to an avg joe or someone who knows practically nothing about the car industry/market will it least have heard of those three brands when asked about luxury.
Of course, you will get some that will think of mention names like Bentley, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc as others, but you see more BMW, MB, and Lexus vehicles on the road then any of those really high end luxury companies obviously so BMW, MB, and Lexus are more visible to the public.
Acura is the largest seller of Luxury SUVs. and SUVs are tall and more imposing. so every one instantly recognize it from far away in downtown. compared to a coupe that sit so low to the ground.
This is sign of wealthy company of creating capabilities in house. this light weight high strenght material tech will flow down to cars.
http://www.aviationnow.com/aw/generi...&channel=busav
Honda has procured its own CNC mills to build the all-aluminum wing structure. The firm thus becomes one of the few light jet manufacturers to build virtually all of the wing in-house.
Honda has procured its own CNC mills to build the all-aluminum wing structure. The firm thus becomes one of the few light jet manufacturers to build virtually all of the wing in-house.
08-06-2010, 05:34 PM
#5458
Midnight Marauder
Oh btw, I'm pretty sure there is this SUV by a company called Toyota called the Lexus RX that handily outsells the MDX historically. So how can Acura be the largest seller?
08-06-2010, 05:36 PM
#5459
Midnight Marauder
Great I just realized who I quoted, stupid me for forgetting to put this fool on my ignore list.
08-06-2010, 06:28 PM
#5460
I'm the Firestarter
highly unlikely random peope shop for luxury cars. They will only know from rental fleets. where Acura dont participate.
Acura is the largest seller of Luxury SUVs. and SUVs are tall and more imposing. so every one instantly recognize it from far away in downtown. compared to a coupe that sit so low to the ground.
This is sign of wealthy company of creating capabilities in house. this light weight high strenght material tech will flow down to cars.
Acura is the largest seller of Luxury SUVs. and SUVs are tall and more imposing. so every one instantly recognize it from far away in downtown. compared to a coupe that sit so low to the ground.
This is sign of wealthy company of creating capabilities in house. this light weight high strenght material tech will flow down to cars.
08-06-2010, 06:41 PM
#5461
אני עומד עם ישראל
highly unlikely random peope shop for luxury cars. They will only know from rental fleets. where Acura dont participate.
Acura is the largest seller of Luxury SUVs. and SUVs are tall and more imposing. so every one instantly recognize it from far away in downtown. compared to a coupe that sit so low to the ground.
Acura is the largest seller of Luxury SUVs. and SUVs are tall and more imposing. so every one instantly recognize it from far away in downtown. compared to a coupe that sit so low to the ground.
08-06-2010, 06:42 PM
#5462
אני עומד עם ישראל
He's trolling and we're taking the bait, but it's fun and work goes by faster.
08-06-2010, 07:15 PM
#5463
Oh btw, I'm pretty sure there is this SUV by a company called Toyota called the Lexus RX that handily outsells the MDX historically. So how can Acura be the largest seller?
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08-06-2010, 07:20 PM
#5464
Senior Moderator
random people means uninformed. Majority of people are buying cheaper lexus and but buying expensive Acura. quantity of people for expensive vehicle is on Acura side. And Acura is oldest Japanese luxury brand. It has dealerships on practically all major cities right next to Honda most of the time.
RX performance , handling is not of a luxury SUV for 5 seater let alone 7 seater. Just look at why Lexus is stalling in China despite lunching 6 models & two years lead over Acura. People even in third world can see the brand is not moving upmarket.
RX performance , handling is not of a luxury SUV for 5 seater let alone 7 seater. Just look at why Lexus is stalling in China despite lunching 6 models & two years lead over Acura. People even in third world can see the brand is not moving upmarket.
08-06-2010, 08:01 PM
#5466
אני עומד עם ישראל
random people means uninformed. Majority of people are buying cheaper lexus and but buying expensive Acura. quantity of people for expensive vehicle is on Acura side. And Acura is oldest Japanese luxury brand. It has dealerships on practically all major cities right next to Honda most of the time.
RX performance , handling is not of a luxury SUV for 5 seater let alone 7 seater. Just look at why Lexus is stalling in China despite lunching 6 models & two years lead over Acura. People even in third world can see the brand is not moving upmarket.
RX performance , handling is not of a luxury SUV for 5 seater let alone 7 seater. Just look at why Lexus is stalling in China despite lunching 6 models & two years lead over Acura. People even in third world can see the brand is not moving upmarket.
08-06-2010, 08:35 PM
#5467
6G TLX-S
Um . . . . . SSFTSX's logic is getting more and more twisted these days.
The whole auto market on this planet considers the Lexus brand of today to be more luxury, more premium, and more upscale than the Acura brand, but except SSFTSX.
If anyone asks SSFTSX questions, SSFTSX will in return start presenting lots of other irrelevant arguments, all but to avoid answering those specific questions altogether. Either he doesn't know or he can't find anything to support his "beliefs".
Just watch this one :
Question for SSFTSX : What supports your claim that "Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura" when even the Honda CEO openly admitted that Acura has failed to become a Tier-1 (in Honda's terminology) or a premium luxury brand ?
The whole auto market on this planet considers the Lexus brand of today to be more luxury, more premium, and more upscale than the Acura brand, but except SSFTSX.
If anyone asks SSFTSX questions, SSFTSX will in return start presenting lots of other irrelevant arguments, all but to avoid answering those specific questions altogether. Either he doesn't know or he can't find anything to support his "beliefs".
Just watch this one :
Question for SSFTSX : What supports your claim that "Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura" when even the Honda CEO openly admitted that Acura has failed to become a Tier-1 (in Honda's terminology) or a premium luxury brand ?
08-06-2010, 09:06 PM
#5468
Why is Lexus sold in Europe and not Acura? Why do BMW and MB consider Lexus tier 1 and as their main competition but not you?
BMW handling comes because car are far shorter than TL and two inches lower to ground. Acura cars are higher, wider and longer, excellent NVH and heat insulation. there is no compromise either on size or capabilities for performance/handling.
Thats why Euro Civic Type R is so famous and expensive. Euro Accord has Type S with sport suspension. that car is voted car of the year in several countries.
It is compared to Supercar.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...udi-R8/250390/
R8 V10 v Civic Type R Mugen
The result
Put simply, whoever was following, and whichever car they were in, could keep up.
Why? Because on a public road the leading driver will always be at a disadvantage that not even an extra 279bhp can compensate for.
On a track the Audi would have destroyed the Honda, but track driving and fast, responsible road driving are two entirely different things.
Perhaps the most interesting conclusion after a day's driving was that both drivers agreed the Honda was more enjoyable to drive on the open roads. Simply more fun, more agile, less intimidating and a lot easier to get to the limits in.
The full comparison test is available in this week's Autocar magazine, on sale now.
R8 V10 v Civic Type R Mugen
The result
Put simply, whoever was following, and whichever car they were in, could keep up.
Why? Because on a public road the leading driver will always be at a disadvantage that not even an extra 279bhp can compensate for.
On a track the Audi would have destroyed the Honda, but track driving and fast, responsible road driving are two entirely different things.
Perhaps the most interesting conclusion after a day's driving was that both drivers agreed the Honda was more enjoyable to drive on the open roads. Simply more fun, more agile, less intimidating and a lot easier to get to the limits in.
The full comparison test is available in this week's Autocar magazine, on sale now.
Selling in Europe does not mean it moved up market. as no one is bothered in buying them anyway.
It is failed attempt. Lexus cars dont have handling and style for Europeans.
Hyundai can create Lexus like boats but they cannot impart Honda like handling, ground clearance, brute Squarish designs with low Cd (unlike prius l egg shaped), low NVH levels, wide ang large tires fuel economy in single package. Toyota corporate culture is not capable of producing such things at reasonable cost. they dont have experiance. only in million dollar projects.
Honda is going in aircraft business like RR. once corporate executives start using Honda fuel efficient carbon composite made jets. it will be easy to move Acura brand more up market.
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08-06-2010, 09:12 PM
#5469
Um . . . . . SSFTSX's logic is getting more and more twisted these days.
The whole auto market on this planet considers the Lexus brand of today to be more luxury, more premium, and more upscale than the Acura brand, but except SSFTSX.
If anyone asks SSFTSX questions, SSFTSX will in return start presenting lots of other irrelevant arguments, all but to avoid answering those specific questions altogether. Either he doesn't know or he can't find anything to support his "beliefs".
Just watch this one :
Question for SSFTSX : What supports your claim that "Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura" when even the Honda CEO openly admitted that Acura has failed to become a Tier-1 (in Honda's terminology) or a premium luxury brand ?
The whole auto market on this planet considers the Lexus brand of today to be more luxury, more premium, and more upscale than the Acura brand, but except SSFTSX.
If anyone asks SSFTSX questions, SSFTSX will in return start presenting lots of other irrelevant arguments, all but to avoid answering those specific questions altogether. Either he doesn't know or he can't find anything to support his "beliefs".
Just watch this one :
Question for SSFTSX : What supports your claim that "Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura" when even the Honda CEO openly admitted that Acura has failed to become a Tier-1 (in Honda's terminology) or a premium luxury brand ?
I am pretty sure he dont have Lexus in mind as i dont think Honda investment strategy allows creating V8 SUV/Sedan for 40 to 50K extra sales.
Acura only has to make RDX right to pass Lexus Sales. there is not even need for any hybrid crap that lexus has introduced in every model even in LS.
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08-06-2010, 09:55 PM
#5470
highly unlikely random peope shop for luxury cars. They will only know from rental fleets. where Acura dont participate.
Acura is the largest seller of Luxury SUVs. and SUVs are tall and more imposing. so every one instantly recognize it from far away in downtown. compared to a coupe that sit so low to the ground.
This is sign of wealthy company of creating capabilities in house. this light weight high strenght material tech will flow down to cars.
Acura is the largest seller of Luxury SUVs. and SUVs are tall and more imposing. so every one instantly recognize it from far away in downtown. compared to a coupe that sit so low to the ground.
This is sign of wealthy company of creating capabilities in house. this light weight high strenght material tech will flow down to cars.
Oh wait, you already did
08-06-2010, 11:15 PM
#5471
Burning Brakes
Are you trying to tell us that the Euro Civic Type R is in any way comparable to the R8 V10? If you read that review closely it says on public roads the Civic can keep up with the R8. How many people are willing to drive the R8 even close to its limits on a public road? They also say the Civic is less intimidating to drive. Have you considered that most people do find front-wheel drive cars to be more predictable, perhaps because most cars on the road happen to be front-wheel drive?
08-07-2010, 12:42 AM
#5472
6G TLX-S
Honda CEO has volume in mind. Acura volume in China/US/Canda is 150 to 200K at most. It is far less than Audi/BMW/MB. who has global factories. there german luxury factories in South Africa and India let alone in China.
I am pretty sure he dont have Lexus in mind as i dont think Honda investment strategy allows creating V8 SUV/Sedan for 40 to 50K extra sales.
Acura only has to make RDX right to pass Lexus Sales. there is not even need for any hybrid crap that lexus has introduced in every model even in LS.
I am pretty sure he dont have Lexus in mind as i dont think Honda investment strategy allows creating V8 SUV/Sedan for 40 to 50K extra sales.
Acura only has to make RDX right to pass Lexus Sales. there is not even need for any hybrid crap that lexus has introduced in every model even in LS.
"Question for SSFTSX : What supports your claim that "Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura" when even the Honda CEO openly admitted that Acura has failed to become a Tier-1 (in Honda's terminology) or a premium luxury brand ?"
Would you go back on track and try answering the above question ?
08-07-2010, 01:46 AM
#5473
Once again, none of the above has anything to do with my original question :
"Question for SSFTSX : What supports your claim that "Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura" when even the Honda CEO openly admitted that Acura has failed to become a Tier-1 (in Honda's terminology) or a premium luxury brand ?"
Would you go back on track and try answering the above question ?
"Question for SSFTSX : What supports your claim that "Lexus is not a premium luxury relative to Acura" when even the Honda CEO openly admitted that Acura has failed to become a Tier-1 (in Honda's terminology) or a premium luxury brand ?"
Would you go back on track and try answering the above question ?
Lexus is not Tier-1 brand.Even Volvo vehicles are prices higher than Lexus.
first you have to define Tier-1? Only Audi/MB/BMW are Tier-1 as each of there vehicles is priced as Tier-1. thats why smaller Q5 has higher priced than RX with smaller capacity engine.
Tier-1 automaker command premium prices for product. Lexus dont command premium price even they are deeply discounted. that size of discounts show up as the ALG residual values.
for example ES350 is similar priced as TL FWD. both are US built. but ES350 has newer tranmssion and customizable options. give u as much options as RL like power sunshade, AFS, ventilated seats etc.
Acura does not give that choice. I bet ES350 standardized would be even lower priced than standardized FWD TL with mass assembly line production & ES350 has much greater volume since it is exported world wide.
08-07-2010, 10:16 AM
#5474
אני עומד עם ישראל
Infiniti is now equal to Lexus. as Combined sales of QX/M/FX approaches combined sales of LX/LS/GX/GS.
Selling in Europe does not mean it moved up market. as no one is bothered in buying them anyway.
It is failed attempt. Lexus cars dont have handling and style for Europeans.
Hyundai can create Lexus like boats but they cannot impart Honda like handling, ground clearance, brute Squarish designs with low Cd (unlike prius l egg shaped), low NVH levels, wide ang large tires fuel economy in single package. Toyota corporate culture is not capable of producing such things at reasonable cost. they dont have experiance. only in million dollar projects.
Honda is going in aircraft business like RR. once corporate executives start using Honda fuel efficient carbon composite made jets. it will be easy to move Acura brand more up market.
Selling in Europe does not mean it moved up market. as no one is bothered in buying them anyway.
It is failed attempt. Lexus cars dont have handling and style for Europeans.
Hyundai can create Lexus like boats but they cannot impart Honda like handling, ground clearance, brute Squarish designs with low Cd (unlike prius l egg shaped), low NVH levels, wide ang large tires fuel economy in single package. Toyota corporate culture is not capable of producing such things at reasonable cost. they dont have experiance. only in million dollar projects.
Honda is going in aircraft business like RR. once corporate executives start using Honda fuel efficient carbon composite made jets. it will be easy to move Acura brand more up market.
08-07-2010, 01:53 PM
#5475
BMW does not look at Acura as any sort of competition. If so, the TL would be priced accordingly allowing the TSX to be a true competitor to the 3 series since it is now closer in size. Where is Acura's 7 series competitor?
TL would not be priced accordinly as M3 as it is not German/Japanese built. TL is built not even in California where atleast wages are comparable.
Once TL gets V8, CFRP and built in Japan. It will be priced more than M3.
TSX is priced against 4cylinder BMW 3 in Europe. It does not have separate platform, DI or 6speed option.
Honda does not need to create 7 series competitor to be Tier-1. as long SUV is at the top.
Selling in Europe does mean it went upmarket wtf are you talking about? How come Toyota still outsells Honda? I love Honda and all, but what does producing a jet have anything to do with the automotive market and producing vehicles with designs that are attractive and can be seen as a true luxury car to the established makes.
Honda Jet project will have direct effect on its Automotive business. First it will get brand image at world airshows like Paris and Farnborough. Second by Constructing inhouse titanium allow, CFRP fuselage and wings. It is mastering high technology of material sciences for light weight and high strenght parts.,
This will be introduced into its cars.
high performance aerodynamic calculation, strenght testing for fatigue, jet engine cooperation with GE etc. I would not be surprized Honda become next RR of Jet engines and Kawasaki/Mitsubishi for aero structures.
Toyota does not have that mind set. It is collection of desperate business from Hino Truck to Daihtsu small car to Yamaha engines with no unified corporate vision and no consistency of long term research. all short term profits. thats why you wont see SH-AWD kind technology with real handling characteristic not pseudo handling characteris like lowring the car or shortening its length.
08-07-2010, 03:04 PM
#5476
FPR pimpin'
I'm not intense in all this car talk like you guys but
I love the 4G, i don't think it was meant to be compared to the 3G... I think its a boss looking car, more on the luxury side than sport despite the fact that the 6MT put a faster lap than the 335i in C&D... sure its not RWD and u cant drift it like a mofo... but I prefer faster laps
I dont understand how you guys like the G37, it looks so squished, as "ugly" as the TL may be, all the lines flow IMO, The G has become ugly as sin... well I haven't liked Nissan since Renault... The G35 coupe was nice but 3G TL was hands down winner to me even being 4 doors, I think those cars just sell because ppl wanna pretend they drive race cars, so high torque + RWD makes you feel like a winner
I think Acura will step up in the future, hopefully RL will be a 7 series contender... i hope its all a process and the V8 RL motor will trickle down to a TL type S
I love the 4G, i don't think it was meant to be compared to the 3G... I think its a boss looking car, more on the luxury side than sport despite the fact that the 6MT put a faster lap than the 335i in C&D... sure its not RWD and u cant drift it like a mofo... but I prefer faster laps
I dont understand how you guys like the G37, it looks so squished, as "ugly" as the TL may be, all the lines flow IMO, The G has become ugly as sin... well I haven't liked Nissan since Renault... The G35 coupe was nice but 3G TL was hands down winner to me even being 4 doors, I think those cars just sell because ppl wanna pretend they drive race cars, so high torque + RWD makes you feel like a winner
I think Acura will step up in the future, hopefully RL will be a 7 series contender... i hope its all a process and the V8 RL motor will trickle down to a TL type S
08-07-2010, 03:10 PM
#5477
Senior Moderator
I'm not intense in all this car talk like you guys but
I love the 4G, i don't think it was meant to be compared to the 3G... I think its a boss looking car, more on the luxury side than sport despite the fact that the 6MT put a faster lap than the 335i in C&D... sure its not RWD and u cant drift it like a mofo... but I prefer faster laps
I dont understand how you guys like the G37, it looks so squished, as "ugly" as the TL may be, all the lines flow IMO, The G has become ugly as sin... well I haven't liked Nissan since Renault... The G35 coupe was nice but 3G TL was hands down winner to me even being 4 doors, I think those cars just sell because ppl wanna pretend they drive race cars, so high torque + RWD makes you feel like a winner
I think Acura will step up in the future, hopefully RL will be a 7 series contender... i hope its all a process and the V8 RL motor will trickle down to a TL type S
I love the 4G, i don't think it was meant to be compared to the 3G... I think its a boss looking car, more on the luxury side than sport despite the fact that the 6MT put a faster lap than the 335i in C&D... sure its not RWD and u cant drift it like a mofo... but I prefer faster laps
I dont understand how you guys like the G37, it looks so squished, as "ugly" as the TL may be, all the lines flow IMO, The G has become ugly as sin... well I haven't liked Nissan since Renault... The G35 coupe was nice but 3G TL was hands down winner to me even being 4 doors, I think those cars just sell because ppl wanna pretend they drive race cars, so high torque + RWD makes you feel like a winner
I think Acura will step up in the future, hopefully RL will be a 7 series contender... i hope its all a process and the V8 RL motor will trickle down to a TL type S
08-07-2010, 03:49 PM
#5478
Agreed, the G looks a lot nicer, more of what I would call sexy luxury look. Problem is, the G's style is really beginning to look dated, hasn't really changed since introduction in 2003, except for front and rear end refreshing in 2007. The 3G G Sedan for 2012 model year really needs to be a totally different/unique departure from the current 2G.
08-07-2010, 03:56 PM
#5479
Burning Brakes
Honda Jet project will have direct effect on its Automotive business. First it will get brand image at world airshows like Paris and Farnborough. Second by Constructing inhouse titanium allow, CFRP fuselage and wings. It is mastering high technology of material sciences for light weight and high strenght parts.,
This will be introduced into its cars.
high performance aerodynamic calculation, strenght testing for fatigue, jet engine cooperation with GE etc. I would not be surprized Honda become next RR of Jet engines and Kawasaki/Mitsubishi for aero structures.
Toyota does not have that mind set. It is collection of desperate business from Hino Truck to Daihtsu small car to Yamaha engines with no unified corporate vision and no consistency of long term research. all short term profits. thats why you wont see SH-AWD kind technology with real handling characteristic not pseudo handling characteris like lowring the car or shortening its length.
This will be introduced into its cars.
high performance aerodynamic calculation, strenght testing for fatigue, jet engine cooperation with GE etc. I would not be surprized Honda become next RR of Jet engines and Kawasaki/Mitsubishi for aero structures.
Toyota does not have that mind set. It is collection of desperate business from Hino Truck to Daihtsu small car to Yamaha engines with no unified corporate vision and no consistency of long term research. all short term profits. thats why you wont see SH-AWD kind technology with real handling characteristic not pseudo handling characteris like lowring the car or shortening its length.
Get real. Do you really think Honda will be introducing aerospace-grade materials into economy cars? Maybe if they made a supercar they'd have a reason to do it, but Honda right now has hardly a hint of sport. Acura doesn't use any weight saving materials either; the 4G TL is a pig.
08-07-2010, 03:57 PM
#5480
